Well go do it

But instead of your palm how about a brick wall

I'm talking to one that's for sure...

And aren't you and grezkev in the same corp, if he really does outrank shouldn't you show at least a little respect, cause if that's how you treat everyone who disagrees with you, I don't see you staying in any corp for long.

And yet they cannot make a rifle with the 550 meter effective point target range of an M-16 which was first designed in 1956.

Hi, Welcome to Dust 514. a VIDEO GAME!! not a realistic simulator. Balance > realism.

A Challenger tank in Iraq took over 14 RPGs and was fine except for the tracks

Fun thread. Arms races are very interesting. RPG probably don't destroy RL tanks like they did but now they use different weapons to destroy them. Shaped charges destroy tanks with ease compared to a RPG. Lastly, take any war machine that has ever been invented or ever will be invented and take support away from it and see what happens. The Abrams tanks of today have never suffered a loss from enemy fire. USA USA USA. That being said how long would they last without support to repair, refuel and resupply. Our tanks don't need ammo or fuel, how many tears would be it HAV pilots had to buy and reload ammo. I hope they do one day. All the tankers talk about spamming AV but HAV only have a cool down, I consider that spamming if you don't even have to reload.

Not surprisingly, the Allies won the war and lost less tanks than anyone...including the Soviet Union who tried to use tanks in a similar way to the Germans.

The ratio as measured against all Tigers lost, regardless of reason,
is still a credible 5.4 to 1 kill ratio.

There are only a few examples of heavy tank battalions employed as a
breakthrough force. Therefore, it is difficult to assess their effectiveness accurately in the
offensive role for which they were developed, organized, and fielded. In the few
instances where the German leadership employed a heavy tank battalion as a consolidated
unit in the offense, it achieved credible results and was successful in penetrating at least
one echelon of the defensive zone.

I am calm

I just find it funny he tried to pull rank since we are in the same alliance

Im waiting to see if im kicked out because i harmed his precious feelings

Where is your source material?



that is a quote from CHRISTOPHER W. WILBECK, MAJ, AR

and one more quote from Christopher W, Wilbeck



source

Soviet Union: Between 96,500 to 100,000 tanks
UK : Around 20,000 tanks
USA: Around 20,000 tanks
Germany: Around 45,000 to 50,000 tanks

IMO tank balance is this: if x amount of person(s) can operate a tank effectively ungainst unprepared infantry, then it should take x amount of persons who are equipped to counter the tank (AV)

And conversely, it should take x amount of infantry to counter x amount of AV players. Keep the ratios equal when dealing with the hard counters and you get balance. Those who are ill prepared or unequipped to handle their attacker die.

Then the game becomes knowing when and how to use your chosen specialization.

In a lobby shooter with limited player counts, you cant make tanks take 4 people to every one tank kill, because that leaves 3 free people on the other team to do as they wish unnopposed...

Where is your source material?

Lieutenant Taka of the Allied Corporation Red*Star of EoN, please don't talk to higher ups in such a manner. Perhaps it would do you wise to take a quick glance at who you're responding to.

I am not an idiot, actually, I am a historian by profession and I expressed this quite simply because this is the origin of the tank. It is the only primary usage of the tank in warfare a game designer (CCP) has to work with in terms of developing their software.

"We are thousands of years in the future".......We are actually playing a game that was designed in the 21st century, a game whose designers are limited to the experiences of the 20th and 21st century for their designing utility of 'the tank'. To pretend that understandings and complexities beyond our own can exist in something that we ourselves created in the present is nothing short of ignorance.

Who am I to say that you haven't got a tank that's a mobile death star? Well I'm the guy that's here telling you that never happened before. And if you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it.

Besides, when you break it all down...the game is not very different from WW2 combat. Infantry are the SHOCK troops...the primary roles of the battlefield. Their ability to put down a tank should be higher, if not equally matched, by their ability to be killed by one. Infantry have always been more mobile than tanks, and their ability to flank a tank, surround it, and destroy it should be no different "a thousand years from now" as it is today.

And this is all said by someone who prefers to roll with a tank....and will roll with a tank after the update. Difference between me and the QQers is I can rationalize the change. ADAPT OR DIE.

Get over it Taka. Then go talk to Nano.

Insubordination within EoN....fascinating.

"things could have changed" ---> You used the key word "could", well guess what: They didn't. Get over it.

Throw monkeys? I see you're just a troubled youngster who's butthurt over losing his ability to troll around Ambush matches. That truly is...'imagination.'

You aren't on the game's development team so your imagination is worth about as much as a toilet with no seat.

They don't say 'the truth hurts' for no reason. They also say...'You can't handle the truth.' I guess you're just a great example of that Taka.

Umm... Technically, the Soviet Union was part of the Allies.

Not a warm-and-cuddly buddy-buddy part, but officially allied to the US and UK.

So, while what I think you meant was correct (US & UK lost less tanks), the exact statement was incorrect.

It is also worth noting that without the Soviets zerging the Germans with Militia gear, the US and UK would likely have lost to the German's Proto gear. At the very least, the war would've lasted a lot longer.

But yea, the Soviets lost the most, particularly because they were poorly built AND poorly manned.

Umm... Technically, the Soviet Union was part of the Allies.

Not a warm-and-cuddly buddy-buddy part, but officially allied to the US and UK.

So, while what I think you meant was correct (US & UK lost less tanks), the exact statement was incorrect.

It is also worth noting that without the Soviets zerging the Germans with Militia gear, the US and UK would likely have lost to the German's Proto gear. At the very least, the war would've lasted a lot longer.

I'm talking to one that's for sure...

And aren't you and grezkev in the same corp, if he really does outrank shouldn't you show at least a little respect, cause if that's how you treat everyone who disagrees with you, I don't see you staying in any corp for long.

True dat.

Though they did zerg their way to Berlin and beyond. There's something to be said for not carrying about your "comrades".

An RPG achieved a mobility kill on an M1 Abrams tank, with only one round. They used a tandem warhead. It is able to defeat reactive armor. So even now on the modern battlefield a terrorist can solo a tank.

Why respect someone that hasn't given you reason to respect them?

I'd call that a mix of luck with a really well placed shot using a highly effective rocket.

In Dust terms, a proto AV used at the right time after maybe an adv or proto tank's shields have already been hit.

I'd call that a mix of luck with a really well placed shot using a highly effective rocket.

In Dust terms, a proto AV used at the right time after maybe an adv or proto tank's shields have already been hit.

we've been running standard and advanced tanks for the past year. when have u seen a proto tank. blacks ops maybe but it didn't have the right modules so it was not a proto tank. there has been no proto tank but there is proto and officer av. and next build we have a upgraded sica and standard tanks. so yea we r crap until ccp decides to give us proto tanks.

Honestly, Abrahams tanks are, to the best of my knowledge, used almost exclusively for AV, unless they want to blow up a house or something.

I am calm

I just find it funny he tried to pull rank since we are in the same alliance

Im waiting to see if im kicked out because i harmed his precious feelings

The fact that he has been given a senior position (I'm assuming here) shows that their is clearly someone in alliance leadership who respects him or values what he can contribute, at the very least taka should have kept any insults or sarcastic language to himself, just because someone hasn't proved themselves to your satisfaction shouldn't mean you should disrespect them.