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Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:54:00 - [31] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Why do all these heavy tears taste like bacon grease? This is me licking the tears of your greasy face> This is you crying.> HTFU fatties. lol, w/e Crmson Douche, you got what you wanted, but know that we shall be coming for your AR next. Sniper at long range>AR Lazors at range>AR Shotgun at close range>AR Scrambler rifle?>AR I am going to be 2 shotting heavies with a scrambler rifle anyways. Headshots ftw. So yeah go ahead and qq about the weapon that is countered by everything with a pulse. That's fine by me. Sloth tears are especially delicious.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 653	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:56:00 - [32] - Quote Chesty Ranger wrote: RIP Heavy Machine Gun. As if staying competitive with a proto suit with 1 high slot was not hard enough. We just got another slap in the face. Thanks CCP for turning Heavy's into the most obsolete and expensive class in the game. They aren't expensive anymore. The HMG and Heavy suit now cost the same as an AR and Assault suit of the same meta level. A Heavy can easily be cheaper than an Assault, now. (Though equipment is getting cheaper, too.) You guys did get nerfed pretty hard, but it looks like there is no longer any "game balance via cost" going on between the suits. Everybody take a deep breath. Let's see how this all shakes out before drowning each other in tears.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:58:00 - [33] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth tears are especially delicious.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:59:00 - [34] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: [quote=Chesty Ranger] Everybody take a deep breath. Let's see how this all shakes out before drowning each other in tears. It's all good, I can hear the Amarr Logi calling to me.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2778	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:00:00 - [35] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: They aren't expensive anymore. The HMG and Heavy suit now cost the same as an AR and Assault suit of the same meta level. A Heavy can easily be cheaper than an Assault, now. (Though equipment is getting cheaper, too.) Thank you, was just about to say this. Prices have been flattened, so the HMG definitely needed a bit of a down grade to match all that. Also, the hit detection is likely better, so things at very close range might melt more consistently, as well they should.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:03:00 - [36] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Why do all these heavy tears taste like bacon grease? This is me licking the tears of your greasy face> This is you crying.> HTFU fatties. lol, w/e Crmson Douche, you got what you wanted, but know that we shall be coming for your AR next. Sniper at long range>AR Lazors at range>AR Shotgun at close range>AR Scrambler rifle?>AR I am going to be 2 shotting heavies with a scrambler rifle anyways. Headshots ftw. So yeah go ahead and qq about the weapon that is countered by everything with a pulse. That's fine by me. Sloth tears are especially delicious. lol. Every other weapon loses to these weapons, that has nothing to do with the AR at all. In reality, the AR was beating every other weapon in their optimal range in the game, and will always beat these 4 outside of their optimal range.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 222	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:07:00 - [37] - Quote was the the statement about the nerf in regard to SS and weaponry being removed and nerfed?
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 99	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:08:00 - [38] - Quote Heavy damage and range has been decreased, and hp has been increased. This makes me think that CCP is trying to make the heavy a short to mid range damage absorber that suppresses/disperses the enemy and creates area denial. I'm not in favor or against these changes, but just want to point out where I think CCP is trying to take the heavy.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 479	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:10:00 - [39] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: Heavy damage and range has been decreased, and hp has been increased. This makes me think that CCP is trying to make the heavy a short to mid range damage absorber that suppresses/disperses the enemy and creates area denial. I'm not in favor or against these changes, but just want to point out where I think CCP is trying to take the heavy. except the in-game description of the heavy is that we are anti-infintry, that's NOT AoD
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 794	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:10:00 - [40] - Quote What if its one point of damage? Seriously people, until you have the numbers, STFU.

NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:10:00 - [41] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: hp has been increased. 50 points don't count for squat, if they wanted to buff it then they should have increased it's speed a little.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 222	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:12:00 - [42] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Why do all these heavy tears taste like bacon grease? This is me licking the tears of your greasy face> This is you crying.> HTFU fatties. lol, w/e Crmson Douche, you got what you wanted, but know that we shall be coming for your AR next. Sniper at long range>AR Lazors at range>AR Shotgun at close range>AR Scrambler rifle?>AR I am going to be 2 shotting heavies with a scrambler rifle anyways. Headshots ftw. So yeah go ahead and qq about the weapon that is countered by everything with a pulse. That's fine by me. Sloth tears are especially delicious. Ive destroyed laser rifles, snipers, and shotguns using the AR and normally at their preferred range the only one I haven't destroyed at their preferred range are snipers and even then Ive taken face fulls of sniper shots and not been dropped when i was moving up to put them down. AR>everything.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:13:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: What if its one point of damage? Seriously people, until you have the numbers, STFU. Staying quiet is the reason stupid stuff like this happens. QQing worked for AR the assault guys, I'd say it's worth a shot. And 1 point is a lot considering it's current damage.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 419	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:15:00 - [44] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Why do all these heavy tears taste like bacon grease? This is me licking the tears of your greasy face> This is you crying.> HTFU fatties. lol, w/e Crmson Douche, you got what you wanted, but know that we shall be coming for your AR next. Sniper at long range>AR Lazors at range>AR Shotgun at close range>AR Scrambler rifle?>AR I am going to be 2 shotting heavies with a scrambler rifle anyways. Headshots ftw. So yeah go ahead and qq about the weapon that is countered by everything with a pulse. That's fine by me. Sloth tears are especially delicious. Ive destroyed laser rifles, snipers, and shotguns using the AR and normally at their preferred range the only one I haven't destroyed at their preferred range are snipers and even then Ive taken face fulls of sniper shots and not been dropped when i was moving up to put them down. AR>everything. Just because the majority of players are bad this does not mean the AR is amazing. It means players are bad. I have destroyed a player who was using a hot viziam with dmg mods in their effective range but that does not mean the AR should do that....the player was just bad. You cannot destroy a shotgunner in CQC unless the shotgunner is bad and missing you. I swear the arguments on these forums are so filled with logical fallacies its not even funny. Seriously where did you get your reasoning from....because you need to go ask for a refund because its defective.
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 211	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:16:00 - [45] - Quote lololol i laughed when i read it. But the AR's wont have quite the range they do now either. If i was a heavy id be mostly pissed on the damage. But at the same time most of your shots probably didnt register in first place, so if they really did enhance the base game the damage nerf hopefully wont be noticeable. Plus, you guys do get some nice suits coming along. Edit: I havent seen a QQ thread over a heavy since god knows when... so pushing the blame onto AR people is a cop out. Learn to adapt.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:16:00 - [46] - Quote Now that i have calmed down, I suggest you guys call Jenny.
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 84	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:17:00 - [47] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: Heavy damage and range has been decreased, and hp has been increased. This makes me think that CCP is trying to make the heavy a short to mid range damage absorber that suppresses/disperses the enemy and creates area denial. I'm not in favor or against these changes, but just want to point out where I think CCP is trying to take the heavy in terms of its primary role. If that's the case we are foing to need more than 60... sorry, 75 (with bonuses) moreHP. Thats about 2 bullets. Not enough to maake us serious damage absorbers.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 99	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:18:00 - [48] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Sete Clifton wrote: hp has been increased. 50 points don't count for squat, if they wanted to buff it then they should have increased it's speed a little. Perhaps, but we also don't have any damage or range reduction numbers as far as I know (if I am wrong please do tell me). So 50 hp could be relatively fair depending on how much the others are reduced. Anyway, you're right it isn't too much of an increase, but I was just trying to speak to the general philosophy of the heavy role, and not so much as to how the hard numbers will play out.
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 84	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:23:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: What if its one point of damage? Seriously people, until you have the numbers, STFU. Please realize that 1 point if damage on a hmg is not ythe same as an AR. 1/16.=~6%. I point on an AR is 1/33 (sorry I'm unfamiliar with AR base damage) =~ 3%. Relatively twice as big of a nerf. 1.5 gives us roughly a 10% nerf. Anything over that brings our proto weapons down vbelow what the base hmg was before.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 794	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:35:00 - [50] - Quote Tiberion Deci wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What if its one point of damage? Seriously people, until you have the numbers, STFU. Please realize that 1 point if damage on a hmg is not ythe same as an AR. 1/16.=~6%. I point on an AR is 1/33 (sorry I'm unfamiliar with AR base damage) =~ 3%. Relatively twice as big of a nerf. 1.5 gives us roughly a 10% nerf. Anything over that brings our proto weapons down vbelow what the base hmg was before. Go down from 533 dps to 500 dps with standard HMG. Considering Exile AR is on the border of 390 DPS....

Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 112	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:39:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Go down from 533 dps to 500 dps with standard HMG. Considering Exile AR is on the border of 390 DPS.... Don't forget that quite a few HMG rounds miss their target, plus the efficiency of the HMG drops quickly. AR at mid range can kill with about 20 or 30 rounds, HMG takes 120-180.
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 85	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:46:00 - [52] - Quote Big miku wrote: Don't forget that quite a few HMG rounds miss their target, plus the efficiency of the HMG drops quickly. AR at mid range can kill with about 20 or 30 rounds, HMG takes 120-180. Exactly. The ADS ability of the HMG is crap, AR is amazing by comparison because it lets you put all your rounds in the same spot. And don't for gwt the difference in the size/speed of targets and how that affects everything too.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 222	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:51:00 - [53] - Quote ARs have no kick or dispersion to worry about every one of our shots can be reasonably expected to hit especially with all the -5% dispersion skills that are in the skill book line up. a heavy have a much higher rate of not hitting their target. I would have prefered that they at least got a range buff along with that damage nerf then you could reason that they are meant for area-denial and suppression like the MD and SR are, but no ccp didn't.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 249	Posted - 2013.05.03 21:38:00 - [54] - Quote but but guys they are protecting us from teh evilz of power creep!
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 460	Posted - 2013.05.03 21:44:00 - [55] - Quote they were also made cheaper, same price tag as ARs. not to mention the actual heavy SUIT looked buffed. the amarr sentinel i saw had 4 low slots and over 800 base health. and was also made cheaper isk wise to be in line with the other suits. so yah, that one gun has been nerfed, but in every other aspect the heavy role seems to have been buffed.
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1281	Posted - 2013.05.03 21:47:00 - [56] - Quote I normally don't say this, but..... HTFU. As of this current build, I get killed by HMGs outside of my AR's maximum range. That isn't working as intended. Maybe, MAYBE the damage nerf was over the top, but everything seems to have some form of nerf this build, and I am seeing a hell of a lot more QQ from heavies than I do from the rest.
Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 114	Posted - 2013.05.03 21:48:00 - [57] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: As of this current build, I get killed by HMGs outside of my AR's maximum range. then that HMG fired over 200 rounds at you and you were not near cover.
100 proof G I A N T EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.05.03 21:57:00 - [58] - Quote probably b/c HMGs lost BASE DMG & RANGE plus no ss or wpnry skills.. oh yea we have 1 high slot too so no stacking ANYTHING especially dmg mods.. plus were slower now too, and running while strafing LMAO!! so now only 30% of 425 rounds will hit.. IMO thats like 6 nerfs if you thought about it in complete game play
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:28:00 - [59] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: they were also made cheaper, same price tag as ARs. So they took expensive poo and made it cheaper, I'd still rather buy Ice-cream(ARs)
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 831	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:59:00 - [60] - Quote Scramble Scrub wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: LeCuch wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Seriously CCP? You had to listen to all the QQing AR users? I didn't even plan to use the heavy come Uprising, but that's just not right Goodluck fatties, you're going to need it. Don't forget goodbye Marauder tanks.... Militia swarms can't kill it? THEY ARE SO OP GOSH NERF THEM It's not 'goodbye marauder tanks' they have been TEMP removed for re-work. The cover tops tanks were temporarilly removed too. So where are they? 'Cover tops'? You mean 'black ops' right? Are you by any chance typing on your phone and have predictive txt enabled? Lol



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