What if Tanks were super cheap would you still ***** about the stats?

I agree tanks need a slight buff but there's a fine line CCP needs to walk, buff tanks to much and you turn them into unstoppable killing machines and if you nerf or keep the same you see redline railgun pussies (glorified sniper).

Same goes for AV, if you nerf too far then player won't see the point wasting isk on useless AV.

I personally see tanks as a disposable asset, i roll in a sica with blaster, if it dies it dies, it served its purpose by forcing the opposing to spawn AV, not only that i tend to assist infantry with assaulting letters so any AV is quickly taking out.

the tank driver tears are absurd.

a single player can only kill a HAV with swarms in the following scenarios:
-the swarm user has alot more SP than the tank driver and the driver does not react properly
-the tank driver has a bad fit
-the tank driver is just bad an has no awareness

also have you ever tried to kill a dedicated shield tanked HAV with proto swarms? no chance unless the driver is terrible.

Just,, shut up dude. Proto swarms deal 3228 damage wothuot hardners, one volley. What the heck are you talking about?
Is there a nerf to swarm launcher that I did not noticed whilst 3 months of tank gameplay? And swarm guys are not carrying AV nades at all.

voila the typical tank driver, get hit by swarms, stand still in the wide open and cries, does not repair and dont use hardeners... and then wonders he blows up. how about using cover? move away? also you cannot lock on and throw AV nades at the same time. btw kill the swarm user the missiles disappear.

Missiles still hit after user dies.

voila the typical tank driver, get hit by swarms, stand still in the wide open and cries, does not repair and dont use hardeners... and then wonders he blows up. how about using cover? move away? also you cannot lock on and throw AV nades at the same time. btw kill the swarm user the missiles disappear.

my experience say something else. just yesterday I got headshot by sniper right after I fired my swarmies against an LAV, missiles vanish.

the tank driver tears are absurd.

a single player can only kill a HAV with swarms in the following scenarios:
-the swarm user has alot more SP than the tank driver and the driver does not react properly
-the tank driver has a bad fit
-the tank driver is just bad an has no awareness

also have you ever tried to kill a dedicated shield tanked HAV with proto swarms? no chance unless the driver is terrible.

I think the student needs to stop and revisit his Uni for proper lectures in AV v Tanks

no tanker can outtank that if they're caught in the open.

Plus i also AV aswell as tank so i know both sides of the coin extremely well so that BS about missiles dissapear after you are killed is straight BS

Swarms against shield?

thanks for confirming my post that you dont want to adapt and go rambo. dont go out in the open and profit? tanks are not meant to be unstoppable killing machines. the damage AV can put out is maybe slightly too harsh and I expect it to be changed but if you aware and dont go rambo you can still hold your ground well even with the current numbers.

actually, if you get killed and receive enough damage to not bleed out but instead just die and go to spawn screen missiles vanish


not everyone has skilled up into forge guns and you use what you have.

and still no one answered to this: not only AV is strong against tanks, other tanks are too. rails two shots tanks accross the map, no chance to react actually, I would be more concerned about rails than AV weaponry.

We already know rails are bad, other threads confirm this, but CCP are making our Sagaris/Surya into a Falchion/Otherbadarmortank, that is very effective at being useless in CQC and good at sitting on the redline with a proto rail.

so in short nothing changes and rail sniping is still possible ? trolltastic

Well if you didnt cry about everything and wanting to solo tanks we wouldnt be up in the mountains like goats

You complained about having to use teamwork to kill a HAV so they got nerfed heavily, now you can solo tanks you still complain that its too hard

You reap what you sow

and still no one answered to this: not only AV is strong against tanks, other tanks are too. rails two shots tanks accross the map, no chance to react actually, I would be more concerned about rails than AV weaponry.

rails also one shot lavs and dropships accross the map too and the splash damage or rails can take away alot of health from a dropsuit. if you practise for a few matches and get the hang of the flight time then it is actually very easy to hit infantry at long ranges. as long this possible there is no excuse about the current status of AV weaponry.

so in short nothing changes and rail sniping is still possible ? trollstastic, I feel bad for tank drivers

people should wait for the build to come out before passing judgment. No one knows the full details of what's to come. be patient.

I run as Logi a lot on multiple characters, and more often offer repairs than revives (Injectors hate me). One of my Logi alts also runs tanks. I will be investing in tanks again, and I will be investing into making my Logis more "make the tank not die" focused for people like you. Friendly tanks WILL be kept alive if they're willing to head into the fray.

But.. there is no handheld shield transporter :(

Do you know how long it takes to solo a 1.5mil+ tank with swarms? Even if the swarms are advanced or proto its long enough for a sniper to get a free kill or lead a bunch of red dots to you.

What i think the problem is with most tankers when they die, they think they were being shot at by one dude running all militia when its probably a blaster emplacement, another tank and at the right time the militia swarm, guy fired at the right moment and stole the kill.

Do you know how long it takes to solo a 1.5mil+ tank with swarms? Even if the swarms are advanced or proto its long enough for a sniper to get a free kill or lead a bunch of red dots to you.

What i think the problem is with most tankers when they die, they think they were being shot at by one dude running all militia when its probably a blaster emplacement, another tank and at the right time the militia swarm, guy fired at the right moment and stole the kill.

(over 8,000 EHP with reppers and resistance modules running)

I can get over 7000 EHP without any active modules running. On a Sica. For less than 300,000 ISK. Not sure what you're doing wrong.

I'm going tanks I feel, sure their weaker but if they dish out more pain I simply have to go beserker I guess and hope I kill you all before you can fire AV at me

Or I just one shot you first, woohoo.

Fairly confident it won't be that easy..unless you was using a rail tank...

I don't drive tanks so forgive my ignorance. I like the tanks being nerfed a small amount, they need to be more dependant on the team and not just a cadaver plow. Tank drivers should need the team and not be a win button. Tanks should be hard to kill because they are tanks but they also should need support from the team to help them be a win button.

Thats just stacking extenders

If I was just stacking extenders, I'd be paying a little over 300,000 ISK and I'd have more than 8000 EHP.

You complained about having to use teamwork to kill a HAV so they got nerfed heavily, now you can solo tanks you still complain that its too hard

You reap what you sow

Wow. You need to reread the thread. You're attacking the wrong guy there, bud.

Sadly bad tankers make people spec into AV if I see someone driving around badly in a HAV I feel compelled to put it down so I created a AV suit (adv swarms only.) People who badly fit tanks or just sit in the open expeciting to survive without moving encourages people to go after HAV's and getting 150+ points makes me go after good HAV's as well.

For example the other day I played a game on manus peak a guy called in a AUR tank and sat in the open trying to blaster everyone I changed to my swarms and blew it in 3 shots I was very surprised usually it takes more. Sure enough he is soon back in the same spot doing the same thing so I killed him again. I was near C by the way so I decided to go hack it I arrived at C to find the tanker sat in the open so I killed him and a few seconds later his tank arrived so I hacked it and got in. Now I figured out why he was so bad in his tank it had low shields and armour and his mods were militia tracking enhancers, heat sinks and a LIGHT armour rep.

So while driving his HAV around waiting for someone to pop it I spot and enemy HAV aproaching and what do you know same guy but this time he is using a RG, so I close the distance and take out all of his shields and most of his armour and my stolen HAV pops but before it did I jumped out and swarm'd him finishing him off. So for this guy 1 battle = 4 HAV's deployed 4 destroyed and 1 of those he destroyed himself.

Its people who do things like this that inspired me to spec AV and the genuine easyness of pop up lock fire and scuttle makes it a no brainer, which is why I think high damage low HP tanks should be an option but not the ONLY option it just means allot more redline RG snipers who will complain when they get one shotted by some dude with a FG and good aim. And lost of new players trying out HAV's and complaining that they last all of 30seconds in a firefight.

IMO tanks should have glass cannon and high hp lower damage variations because they are each others counter and both have drawbacks which would hopefully eliminate the HAV's are OP threads and the influx of newberrys making bad tanks then complaining AV is OP.

TL:DR Just Medic waffling.

Nailed it with an un-biased opinion.

Yes we want high damage low HP tanks, but on the flip side we need low damage high HP tanks. Not both.

You mean I made a valid point? Good lord there is a first for everything thank you I am screen capping this lol.

Just,, shut up dude. Proto swarms deal 3228 damage wothuot hardners, one volley. What the heck are you talking about?
Is there a nerf to swarm launcher that I did not noticed whilst 3 months of tank gameplay? And swarm guys are not carrying AV nades at all.

the tank driver tears are absurd.

a single player can only kill a HAV with swarms in the following scenarios:
-the swarm user has alot more SP than the tank driver and the driver does not react properly
-the tank driver has a bad fit
-the tank driver is just bad an has no awareness

also have you ever tried to kill a dedicated shield tanked HAV with proto swarms? no chance unless the driver is terrible.

voila the typical tank driver, get hit by swarms, stand still in the wide open and cries, does not repair and dont use hardeners... and then wonders he blows up. how about using cover? move away? also you cannot lock on and throw AV nades at the same time. btw kill the swarm user the missiles disappear.

PS: I can two shot your tank with my rail tank from accross the map and no repair and hardening will help you against this. problem?

Do you know how long it takes to solo a 1.5mil+ tank with swarms? Even if the swarms are advanced or proto its long enough for a sniper to get a free kill or lead a bunch of red dots to you.

What i think the problem is with most tankers when they die, they think they were being shot at by one dude running all militia when its probably a blaster emplacement, another tank and at the right time the militia swarm, guy fired at the right moment and stole the kill.

Sadly bad tankers make people spec into AV if I see someone driving around badly in a HAV I feel compelled to put it down so I created a AV suit (adv swarms only.) People who badly fit tanks or just sit in the open expeciting to survive without moving encourages people to go after HAV's and getting 150+ points makes me go after good HAV's as well.

For example the other day I played a game on manus peak a guy called in a AUR tank and sat in the open trying to blaster everyone I changed to my swarms and blew it in 3 shots I was very surprised usually it takes more. Sure enough he is soon back in the same spot doing the same thing so I killed him again. I was near C by the way so I decided to go hack it I arrived at C to find the tanker sat in the open so I killed him and a few seconds later his tank arrived so I hacked it and got in. Now I figured out why he was so bad in his tank it had low shields and armour and his mods were militia tracking enhancers, heat sinks and a LIGHT armour rep.

So while driving his HAV around waiting for someone to pop it I spot and enemy HAV aproaching and what do you know same guy but this time he is using a RG, so I close the distance and take out all of his shields and most of his armour and my stolen HAV pops but before it did I jumped out and swarm'd him finishing him off. So for this guy 1 battle = 4 HAV's deployed 4 destroyed and 1 of those he destroyed himself.

Its people who do things like this that inspired me to spec AV and the genuine easyness of pop up lock fire and scuttle makes it a no brainer, which is why I think high damage low HP tanks should be an option but not the ONLY option it just means allot more redline RG snipers who will complain when they get one shotted by some dude with a FG and good aim. And lost of new players trying out HAV's and complaining that they last all of 30seconds in a firefight.

IMO tanks should have glass cannon and high hp lower damage variations because they are each others counter and both have drawbacks which would hopefully eliminate the HAV's are OP threads and the influx of newberrys making bad tanks then complaining AV is OP.

TL:DR Just Medic waffling.

ccp just want us all to become rail snipers meh ...give them more exp suits for me to one shot from miles away (increased zoom fidelity gunna be funny )

enlighten me, what do you fit your epic sica with?

The ONLY way you can one shot a tank with a forge gun is by hitting the motor with the DCMA. If you're killing a tank in one shot from the front with less than a DCMA, then at that point I'll say you know someone that works at CCP doing something wrong in your favor.

Tankers are funny. You wont hear anything about tanks from them as they go 30+/0 for 6+ matches in a row. But when they blow up they throw a b!tch fit calling everything OP and start hating on their own tanks.

You realize that there are only 20 of js whi can do that and we rarely die. It's not fair to the newer tankers.

Sadly bad tankers make people spec into AV if I see someone driving around badly in a HAV I feel compelled to put it down so I created a AV suit (adv swarms only.) People who badly fit tanks or just sit in the open expeciting to survive without moving encourages people to go after HAV's and getting 150+ points makes me go after good HAV's as well.

For example the other day I played a game on manus peak a guy called in a AUR tank and sat in the open trying to blaster everyone I changed to my swarms and blew it in 3 shots I was very surprised usually it takes more. Sure enough he is soon back in the same spot doing the same thing so I killed him again. I was near C by the way so I decided to go hack it I arrived at C to find the tanker sat in the open so I killed him and a few seconds later his tank arrived so I hacked it and got in. Now I figured out why he was so bad in his tank it had low shields and armour and his mods were militia tracking enhancers, heat sinks and a LIGHT armour rep.

So while driving his HAV around waiting for someone to pop it I spot and enemy HAV aproaching and what do you know same guy but this time he is using a RG, so I close the distance and take out all of his shields and most of his armour and my stolen HAV pops but before it did I jumped out and swarm'd him finishing him off. So for this guy 1 battle = 4 HAV's deployed 4 destroyed and 1 of those he destroyed himself.

Its people who do things like this that inspired me to spec AV and the genuine easyness of pop up lock fire and scuttle makes it a no brainer, which is why I think high damage low HP tanks should be an option but not the ONLY option it just means allot more redline RG snipers who will complain when they get one shotted by some dude with a FG and good aim. And lost of new players trying out HAV's and complaining that they last all of 30seconds in a firefight.

IMO tanks should have glass cannon and high hp lower damage variations because they are each others counter and both have drawbacks which would hopefully eliminate the HAV's are OP threads and the influx of newberrys making bad tanks then complaining AV is OP.

TL:DR Just Medic waffling.

Yes i have seen the stats of the 'new' enforcer tank before you ask


Many tank pilots will drop this route now and respec into assault most likely because at least its a route and profitable if you can aim, the flipside is that the dropship pilots can now try to shoot someone before they get swarmed out of the sky

I refuse to drop the HAV

The enforcer stats suck, the bonuses are meh at best, are missiles really fixed? is AV and the new weapons still stupidly powerful?

I really hope that our mods have been buffed and improved and that AV has also be tweeked so i cannot solo a HAV anytime i want to or scare away that 2mil tank by looking at it with lolswarms

The difference to shield and armor i hope is fixed but if lolmissiles are still just that then that enforcer is a waste but bonus is one less tank to skill upto but downside is less options for me

Im really hoping that the Sagaris and Surya make a return with better stats and the extra slot in the correct place and are our prototype tanks, yes we still do not have prototype tanks yet we are expected to take on proto AV which happens now n again but many refuse to skill out of milita since its reliable and does the job nicely

Im hoping but all hope could be lost but not yet

treads

Doubt theres that many. Don't know any tankers who make a profit running only tanks, the ones that do play infantry aswell (which won't be viable unless you're running a **** free suit next build).

To be fair i run tanks 70% of the time. Yes, since now it has to last 100% of the time, I'll be railgunning forever.

With you on that, gonna be sitting on the redline sniping nearly all the time come next build, people can get ****** if they think I want to waste 2mil just to help them win their matches, being helpful isn't going to pay the damn bills, yo.

We dont even need to skill into the new tanks

We as HAV pilots should all stick with the basic tanks we have, show CCP through stats that these 'new HAVs' are shite by not using them

CCP says after Uprising they can add any stat they can think of to the match result screen, so why not one that shows how much time each player spent behind the red line?