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Mister0Zz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:03:00 -
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People seem confused about how the new system will work so i'll explain it here
You will train a base dropsuit skill that will give you access to racial light, medium, and heavy dropsuit skills.
After picking one, in this case Amarr medium, and you train it to level 5 you will then be given access to new skills. Amarr logistics, and Amarr assault.
So instead of constantly becoming harder and harder to kill, you will eventually reach a plateau and will have to specialize somehow |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3577
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:09:00 -
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I wonder how useful the unspecialized basic suits will be compared to the specialized ones like the assault.
EDIT: I know the logi has a special yellow coloring, does the basic, or any specialized role have any distinctive coloring as well? |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
56
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:26:00 -
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So, you will be able to get Logi suits only after L5 in medium frame suits? |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:39:00 -
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From how I heard in in the keynote, I thought it was you level up the Dropsuit skill until you get access to the Light, Medium, and Heavy dropsuit skills. You then level up the Light, Medium, or Heavy dropsuit skill until you reach the specialization suit you want.
So if you wanted an Amarr Logistics suit it would be, Dropsuit Lv X ---> Medium Frame Lv Y ---> Amarr Logistics If at that point you decided you wanted to switch to Gallente Assault, you'd only have to level up the Gallente Assault skill since the Dropsuit and Medium Frame skills overlap. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:39:00 -
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I really don't like this, really wish the logi and assault had separate suit designs. more variety is good. |
Scramble Scrub
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:48:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wonder how useful the unspecialized basic suits will be compared to the specialized ones like the assault.
EDIT: I know the logi has a special yellow coloring, does the basic, or any specialized role have any distinctive coloring as well? Basic suits will probably be like type 1 suits, and assaults will be like type 2 suits. |
Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
3
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:49:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:I really don't like this, really wish the logi and assault had separate suit designs. more variety is good.
Same here i hope they'll be coming up with separate design-¦s for assault and logistics. One of the most important way to telling what to use on an enemy was to actually being able to see what they use. When it comes to the skill training well gotta be fun more specialization :) |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
518
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:50:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:I really don't like this, really wish the logi and assault had separate suit designs. more variety is good.
I'm guessing the art department is the bottleneck. We don't even have all the basic frame sizes yet.
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Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:52:00 -
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+1 for useful information that may help stop the "why no logi/assault for X race." threads and also for being in such a fantastic corp |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
387
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:54:00 -
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theres still comando and pilot suits to come... plus different heavies and scouts. |
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jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:57:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:I really don't like this, really wish the logi and assault had separate suit designs. more variety is good. while i agree, we are stil getting a lot of variety in roles and colours.
That being said, once the important stuff is done a while down the line, there is no reason that CCP wont create models for each specialisation. |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
123
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:59:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:while i agree, we are stil getting a lot of variety in roles and colours.
That being said, once the important stuff is done a while down the line, there is no reason that CCP wont create models for each specialisation.
Are all logi's going to look like human bee's? If so it makes stabbing people with the nanite injector oddly amusing to me. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2710
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:59:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:more variety is good.
Baby steps.
I'm just curious when we'll have all racial variants for suits. I'm a little confused on that since they didn't seem to have actual models for most of the new suits. Devblogs need to happen, but I understand the hold up.
Patience |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
518
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:02:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:From how I heard in in the keynote, I thought it was you level up the Dropsuit skill until you get access to the Light, Medium, and Heavy dropsuit skills. You then level up the Light, Medium, or Heavy dropsuit skill until you reach the specialization suit you want.
So if you wanted an Amarr Logistics suit it would be, Dropsuit Lv X ---> Medium Frame Lv Y ---> Amarr Logistics If at that point you decided you wanted to switch to Gallente Assault, you'd only have to level up the Gallente Assault skill since the Dropsuit and Medium Frame skills overlap.
Just checked the Sisi Magic Crystal Ball and to be clear there are racial frame skills:
Dropsuit --> Racial Medium Frame --> Racial Logistics
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J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:06:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:jenza aranda wrote:while i agree, we are stil getting a lot of variety in roles and colours.
That being said, once the important stuff is done a while down the line, there is no reason that CCP wont create models for each specialisation. Are all logi's going to look like human bee's? If so it makes stabbing people with the nanite injector oddly amusing to me.
Goons ruin everything. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:06:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:more variety is good. Baby steps. I'm just curious when we'll have all racial variants for suits. I'm a little confused on that since they didn't seem to have actual models for most of the new suits. Devblogs need to happen, but I understand the hold up. Patience
thats just it. im fine waiting, do it after the heavy suits for all I care. Just dont combine logis and assaults, just seems wrong. was really looking forward to seeing caldari, amarr and gallente logis, and minmatar and amarr assault. CCPs art team is one of their strong points. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
97
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:18:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:From how I heard in in the keynote, I thought it was you level up the Dropsuit skill until you get access to the Light, Medium, and Heavy dropsuit skills. You then level up the Light, Medium, or Heavy dropsuit skill until you reach the specialization suit you want.
So if you wanted an Amarr Logistics suit it would be, Dropsuit Lv X ---> Medium Frame Lv Y ---> Amarr Logistics If at that point you decided you wanted to switch to Gallente Assault, you'd only have to level up the Gallente Assault skill since the Dropsuit and Medium Frame skills overlap. Just checked the Sisi Magic Crystal Ball and to be clear there are racial frame skills: Dropsuit --> Racial Medium Frame --> Racial Logistics Ah, thank you. Not sure how I like this, but I'll deal with it.
Also sounds like it's going to take quite a bit more than 2.4 million SP to get prototypes. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
518
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:21:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Ah, thank you. Not sure how I like this, but I'll deal with it.
Also sounds like it's going to take quite a bit more than 2.4 million SP to get prototypes.
No problem.
I'm hoping the Tech 2 suits aren't 8x skills and the total SP to prototype speciality suit is about the same. The 8x skill seems extremely high for a suit especially when compared to the giant spaceships our pilot brothers and sisters fly.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:36:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Ah, thank you. Not sure how I like this, but I'll deal with it.
Also sounds like it's going to take quite a bit more than 2.4 million SP to get prototypes. No problem. I'm hoping the Tech 2 suits aren't 8x skills and the total SP to prototype speciality suit is about the same. The 8x skill seems extremely high for a suit especially when compared to the giant spaceships our pilot brothers and sisters fly.
I wouldn't be surprised if teh specialty suits were 16x
that's the way eve rolls, nothing good comes quickly, especially when it comes to ship/suits |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2710
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:39:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:thats just it. im fine waiting, do it after the heavy suits for all I care. Just dont combine logis and assaults, just seems wrong. was really looking forward to seeing caldari, amarr and gallente logis, and minmatar and amarr assault. CCPs art team is one of their strong points.
logis look cool because they have all kinds of belts and equipment. was really anxious to see how the other races version of it.
I ultimately agree, because as you say, variety is good, but in the immediate future I think it's more important to push out a suit model for each frame size for each race. As time goes on they can stream in variants.
I just want to know when exactly we're getting full racial representation. Is it on the 6th, the 14th, or some later date? |
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Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
160
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:41:00 -
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Everyone should figure that the suit skill tree may be very similar in structure and attenuation as that of the pilot's skill tree for the ships in EVE. A person skills up the command skill first which will unlock the different size suits (depending on the skill level of dropsuit command) then the size specific skilling (light, medium, heavy) and then the specialization (assault, scout, logi, sentinel).
The first choice comes in size, then race, then role specialization.
At least that is what I gathered from the keynote.
As for the different colors for the suits, it seemed from the keynote that the different roles along with the different tech level of the dropsuit will designate the color scheme of the suit one gets. Again this is conjecture from the what CCP has given us. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
610
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:43:00 -
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What about their big backpack type thing? Is a Caldari Logi going to look like a yellow Assault with a backpack?
That should at least affect their silhouette. |
Mister0Zz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
39
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:05:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Everyone should figure that the suit skill tree may be very similar in structure and attenuation as that of the pilot's skill tree for the ships in EVE. A person skills up the command skill first which will unlock the different size suits (depending on the skill level of dropsuit command) then the size specific skilling (light, medium, heavy) and then the specialization (assault, scout, logi, sentinel).
The first choice comes in size, then race, then role specialization.
At least that is what I gathered from the keynote.
As for the different colors for the suits, it seemed from the keynote that the different roles along with the different tech level of the dropsuit will designate the color scheme of the suit one gets. Again this is conjecture from the what CCP has given us.
The color changes are similar to the differences of T2 ships in EvE. It seems there will be value in recognizing the suit variant simply by its frame and color scheme.
Also to be clear light and heavy will work the same way
Dropsuit -> racial light -> Scout, pilot
Dropsuit -> Racial Heavy -> Sentinel, commando |
Mister0Zz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:10:00 -
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As far as the changes to heavies go it seems that the Sentinel would be just that. A dropsuit that is a fantastic defender, but its lack of mobility makes it a bad choice for attacking. However the commando, with dual Light weapon slots and a faster movement speed would be the specialization for the more "active" heavy. I like the idea that all the proposed specializations at this point give every suit class 2 distinctly different options |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
983
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:thats just it. im fine waiting, do it after the heavy suits for all I care. Just dont combine logis and assaults, just seems wrong. was really looking forward to seeing caldari, amarr and gallente logis, and minmatar and amarr assault. CCPs art team is one of their strong points.
logis look cool because they have all kinds of belts and equipment. was really anxious to see how the other races version of it. I ultimately agree, because as you say, variety is good, but in the immediate future I think it's more important to push out a suit model for each frame size for each race. As time goes on they can stream in variants. I just want to know when exactly we're getting full racial representation. Is it on the 6th, the 14th, or some later date?
Brandon Larino said "soon, but not tm" on the remaining heavy and scout suits. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
1034
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:49:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:So, you will be able to get Logi suits only after L5 in medium frame suits? STOP LISTENING TO SPECULATION |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1108
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:55:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wonder how useful the unspecialized basic suits will be compared to the specialized ones like the assault.
EDIT: I know the logi has a special yellow coloring, does the basic, or any specialized role have any distinctive coloring as well? my guess is assault gets white. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1108
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:59:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:theres still comando and pilot suits to come.
Yeah... you mean heavy and scout suits? Cause that's what they're going to look like for a while, just different colors. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:15:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:I really don't like this, really wish the logi and assault had separate suit designs. more variety is good. I'm guessing the art department is the bottleneck. We don't even have all the basic frame sizes yet. To be fair, Art has been busy with other stuff. Also, It's quite possible that before long the bottleneck will be the PS3 itself. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
196
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:25:00 -
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Hmm.
I don't like all the delays. I'm sure no one does.
The idea of refunding SP on May 6, going Live on May 14, and not releasing the other dropsuits for an unspecified amount of time seems like some sort of bottle-necking to me.
Why have everyone blow their SP advantage without actually making all the dropsuit options available? Was seriously looking forward to the Caldari Scout... Just guess this means I won't be doing much of anything come PC. Since I would have to wait for the suit I want to be released. |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:28:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:From how I heard in in the keynote, I thought it was you level up the Dropsuit skill until you get access to the Light, Medium, and Heavy dropsuit skills. You then level up the Light, Medium, or Heavy dropsuit skill until you reach the specialization suit you want.
So if you wanted an Amarr Logistics suit it would be, Dropsuit Lv X ---> Medium Frame Lv Y ---> Amarr Logistics If at that point you decided you wanted to switch to Gallente Assault, you'd only have to level up the Gallente Assault skill since the Dropsuit and Medium Frame skills overlap. Just checked the Sisi Magic Crystal Ball and to be clear there are racial frame skills: Dropsuit --> Racial Medium Frame --> Racial Logistics
I fear for the game if this is how its going to work. Less and less people will play logistics classes because of the amount of skill points needed.
For the basic of any logi its going to need dropsuit, racial frame, racial logistics then either all the armour skills or shield skills or both, then all the needed skills like nanocircitry, remote repair, and other equipment, THEN weapons and other skills like hacking or scanning. Where all a good assault would need is the dropsuit, racial frame, racial assault then the weapon of his or her choice and shield armour or both.
This game already has too many people only using ARs and assault suits and not enough logi's or specialized roles and this sorta skill change is going to make them even fewer.
Im not worried about the people already big into the game but the average player themselves whos new or doesnt have a lot of time to play. Its all going to be assault and AR and thats boring. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
522
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:44:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:I fear for the game if this is how its going to work. Less and less people will play logistics classes because of the amount of skill points needed.
Dropsuit Command --> Racial Medium Frame --> Racial Assault Dropsuit
True story.
Doesn't change the number of SP logistics have had the train compared to the other roles. Also consider that the skill rank for those skills have probably been adjusted to compensate for the new skill tree. At one point that said it should be comparable to what we had to train in Chromosome.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:04:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:I fear for the game if this is how its going to work. Less and less people will play logistics classes because of the amount of skill points needed. Dropsuit Command --> Racial Medium Frame --> Racial Assault Dropsuit True story. Doesn't change the number of SP logistics have had the train compared to the other roles. Also consider that the skill rank for those skills have probably been adjusted to compensate for the new skill tree. At one point that said it should be comparable to what we had to train in Chromosome.
You're missing my point, The logi is having to spend much much more SP to become a decent fit then the assault and the assault will always be ahead of the logi in effectiveness in all forms at less SP. There is no point to playng the logi for new players and the amount of SP needed with uprising will turn new players off from playing them. Right now a decent logi can be ran on 2.5 mil SP, in uprising I could see the same logi needing 3.5 - 4mil SP. You think new players want to grind for something that gets out performed in 90% of the core gameplay for less grind? |
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