Look at EVE.

This game will stay in beta forever. They will use "free updates" as the gimmick term but in reality they never finish a product.

The game will NEVER get out of beta.

Obviously false.

If one were to look in-game, they can find numerous "A"s.

Look at EVE.

This game will stay in beta forever. They will use "free updates" as the gimmick term but in reality they never finish a product.

The game will NEVER get out of beta.

Look at EVE.

This game will stay in beta forever. They will use "free updates" as the gimmick term but in reality they never finish a product.

The game will NEVER get out of beta.

Hoping the game luanches on ps4 cause lets b e honest ccp can do way more things on ps4

How do you think Dust will stand up against Destiny?

How do you think Dust will stand up against Destiny?

I'd prefer being able to play on either and then slowly transition all the way to the ps4. Changing instantly will cut off a lot of players

What's a AAA game? That is the true question.

How do you think Dust will stand up against Destiny?

I mean look at the speed CCP do things. They need months or even years to implement a TINY feature. They won't survive in the real world.

I mean look at the speed CCP do things. They need months or even years to implement a TINY feature. They won't survive in the real world.

I mean look at proper PS4 titles here. These are what REAL games look like. Dust is just a gimmicky FPS that will probably survive by leaching a small amount of loyal player base for a very long time. But it probably won't become mainstream in any sort of way.

Many of us are well aware of CCP's history.

Many of use are also aware of the history of those "proper" games' developers.

- Bungie- WTF was Myth III farmed out?! What happened with the promised awesome of ONI? Why did the "AAA" shooter Halo have so many issues as an MMOFPS?
- EA- 'Nuff said about them
- Ad nauseum.

Game companies, like most companies, disappoint.

What is remarkable is that CCP manages to do so much with so little. The graphics shown for Uprising really push the boundaries of the PS3's abysmal hardware limitations. Everyone knows that they are also "secretly" making sure that things like art assets are ready for Unreal Engine 4 and PS4 deployment.

So, really what it comes down to is that Bungie likely heard rumblings of EVE getting a persistent-world FPS when it was first floated years ago and said, "Hey, we could do that!".

The difference is that CCP is already doing it and Destiny can't do crap for real players until the PS4 comes out.

Exactly the point I am trying to make. EVE has always been a niche game. CCP is not ready for an AAA game.

But Dust probably need another 12 months time or more to launch, and by that time PS4 has already came out, Destiny adverts will keep people waiting, and nobody is gonna pay attention to dust.

I mean look at the speed CCP do things. They need months or even years to implement a TINY feature. They won't survive in the real world.

You need to get your eyes checked.

He's the marketing guy. He always says that. This thread is about as fresh as ... something that isn't very fresh...

a three day old half drank up beer you find behind the couch after the hangover from a major weekend rager has finally faded into memory?

But I will consider DUST 514 a AAA game the day I can walk into Walmart and buy myself a copy.

PS don't drink that beer. Even if it seems like it's free. Finding opened beers that you've left around the house is not the same as finding money in the pockets of some jeans you haven't worn for a while.

Turd 514 a AAA shooter?

And they said Mittens spoke crap when handed a microphone.

I'd prefer being able to play on either and then slowly transition all the way to the ps4. Changing instantly will cut off a lot of players

Are you talking trash about Free Beers?

He will find you. And he will kill you.

it was sarcasm

How do you think Dust will stand up against Destiny?

Well, really just word play, but yeah. I was just cracking a joke.

Turd 514 a AAA shooter?

And they said Mittens spoke crap when handed a microphone.

Look, all I was trying to say was DON"T DRINK THE BEER!!!!

IT"S MADE OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!

One thing about CCP is that they will "aspire" to do something, and then do it really slowly, and then stops at 10%.

This is not something I made up. The history of EVE is full of unfinished ideas. There is simply too many of them.

One example would be "walking in station". Several years ago they started the project, and then worked very slowly.

They finally settled with a character creation, a room to walk in, and nothing else.

The way CCP works: inject hopes and dreams into the player, do a little bit to keep them hooked over a long period of time, and then never finish the idea and leave the player "hoping for more". CCP essentially tell lies to make money. This is an essential part of their business model and they simply don't have the right people to launch an "AAA" title.

I mean look at proper PS4 titles here. These are what REAL games look like. Dust is just a gimmicky FPS that will probably survive by leaching a small amount of loyal player base for a very long time. But it probably won't become mainstream in any sort of way.

Look, all I was trying to say was DON"T DRINK THE BEER!!!!

IT"S MADE OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!

- Bungie- WTF was Myth III farmed out?!

How do you think Dust will stand up against Destiny?

Can I have yer stuff?

I know this is going kind of a long ways back to respond to what isn't really a particularly relevant point, but yes, yes Myth III was farmed out. It was developed by MumboJumbo, and Bungie had no hand in it.

discuss amongst yourselves as to the validity of this statement

Dust is just a gimmicky FPS that will probably survive by leaching a small amount of loyal player base for a very long time. But it probably won't become mainstream in any sort of way.

I have thought that if major game makers could control huge gaming news outlets like IGN, or possibly employ people who happen to play Dust 514 and be whiney and vocal about their disatisfaction they could really cripple people's opinion especially on an MMORPG type of game.

I'm not accusing anyone of this I'm just tossing the grenade out there for "us all to discuss as to the validity of this statement".

Basically, just think for yourselves. Are you having fun playing the game? If not, don't just *****, say precisely what the problem is and try and help make it better.

Right now Dust is not a AAA shooter. It doesnt have the polish in the current build for it. It could be very close to it with Uprising depending on the mechanics and game-play.

From what everyone has said, the big question is whether it can become one in time for people to care. The EVE folks may continue to hold on and play but they really need the FPS nomads to take root for it to be successful.

It might have all the bells and whistles of a MMO with the sandbox and all but its core is a FPS and a ton of people were brought here because of that. You cant build a skyscraper on a junk foundation.