No. Turrets should be powerful, otherwise we should just be allowed to shoot assault rifles out the sides of vehicles.

So Jason, exactly what smacked you?

The combination seems fine as it is. Taking out Installations requires enough firepower to do it and it much harder if the turret has an operator.

Militia Tanks are paper. Yep.

It is difficult for me to guess what you want? If you want to turn this into endless tank wars then ... no thanks. If not, then what are you after anyway?

problem is when you give more tank then they become more effective against infantry and people complain even more why their militia swarms doesnt 1 shot a sagaris.

problem is when you give more tank then they become more effective against infantry and people complain even more why their militia swarms doesnt 1 shot a sagaris.

You would have to reduce the damage that AV does then

I dont want my rail to go from 2 shot to 6 shot but AV stay at 3shot against a Sagaris and 2 proto swarm volleys against a Surya

He said increase tank hp, which does the same thing.

Once you've unlocked Proto Turrets on a tank, the only other vehicle that compete with you is another Tank with proto Turrets, the damage output is excessive but needed as we're paper. Make Turrets weaker, increase all resistances and HP for Vehicles, Don't get me wrong, I like dealing stupid amounts of damage to everything BUT it's not going to help down the road.

By making us more Tanky (For all vehicles) and lowering large turret damage, we make vehicles fairer to fight against as they won't two shot you, but makes it so a Forge Gun can't 3 shot you (They can at the moment). This also creates more interesting Vehicle fights.

Yea but if the FG goes from 2 to 3shot is an improvement but not much of one for the tank

forges should come NOWHERE NEAR rails as far as DPS is concerned. Rails should be the ultimate AV weapon on all fronts. Forges are extremely cheap by comparison and pop proto tanks in 2 hits- proto swarms are no different.

FG do out damage railguns at base value which shouldnt happen

Plus we dont have proto tanks either

Tanks are gimped. I almost never use them anymore.
People cried and cried about how OP they were and it worked; any merc with half a brain and no extra chromosomes can now single handedly fight off even the best tanks.

I've zero respect for anyone crying about tanks at this point.

actually we do... look at surya/sagaris in combat-PRO as in prototype

Once you've unlocked Proto Turrets on a tank, the only other vehicle that compete with you is another Tank with proto Turrets, the damage output is excessive but needed as we're paper. Make Turrets weaker, increase all resistances and HP for Vehicles, Don't get me wrong, I like dealing stupid amounts of damage to everything BUT it's not going to help down the road.

By making us more Tanky (For all vehicles) and lowering large turret damage, we make vehicles fairer to fight against as they won't two shot you, but makes it so a Forge Gun can't 3 shot you (They can at the moment). This also creates more interesting Vehicle fights.

I totally agree on that. I don't have proto turrets on my tank yet, and I already think that HAV don't need to deal so much dps. With enthusiasm, I remember my HAV's-beginnings. What I was liked most is that the HAV vs. HAV fight was longer than now. It's because I was dealing much less dps while using standard turrets and without that all skills bonuses. I do not like fact that proto armor tank with best tank in this game is dieing after 3 wave of proto swarms that is hitting his weak spot. They are just too expensive for that(in terms of their value, and time that you need to spend to skill them up).

Boost HAV's tanking ability and lower their dps. Do it to all HAV or just to specific types. I'm tired of having one Madruger per 4-5 matches because it is so expensive that I'm constantly broke. I want to have tank that I can use in every battle, and I don't want to be scare that I gone lose it in seconds.

A new skill system is coming to Dust and as Infantry I gone be a "cannon fodder" in matches when I gone be to broke to buy new HAV. Thats gonna be unfair, Infantry will have starter-dropsuits that cost 0 ISK, and all they skills apply to them, so they gone be much better in that militia stuff than any other vehicle pilot.

For the price hike and general tank increase its not proto

Compare to the dropsuit way

milita>basic>advanced>proto

Tanks dont have the last link and AUR and PSN store tanks do not fill that gap either

At best they are advanced

militia>militia tanks
basic>PSN tanks
advanced> your gunn/mad tanks
proto> surya/saragis
hm i see it how can't you?

militia>militia tanks
basic>PSN tanks
advanced> your gunn/mad tanks
proto> surya/saragis
hm i see it how can't you?

militia>militia tanks
basic>PSN tanks
advanced> your gunn/mad tanks
proto> surya/saragis
hm i see it how can't you?

Ridiculous.

Militia and PSN tanks are exactly the same except the PSN ones are p2w in the sense that it has more PG/CPU
Madrugar and Gunnlogi is Standard, requiring level 1 in their specific skill
Sagaris (One Additional Low Slot) and Surya (One Additional High Slot) requires level 3 in their specific skill.
Wheres our level 5 Tank? Wheres our level 5 Extenders? Level 5 Boosters? We have Level 5 turrets, but everything else ends at Level 3, and they're really crap compared to AV. Any tank is bent over by a Prototype Weapon, it's not a "challenge" for both players, it's "If you get hit by a proto weapon, run to the redline and sit there".

actually we do... look at surya/sagaris in combat-PRO as in prototype

CCP: "Your suggestion has been noted so u get a sniper tank."

Iam no tanker so i may be a bit biased in what i say. but i agree tanks should take a beating a sever one.

The main balance issue is see is large blasters is a anti infantry weapon and is very very effective at it i know this is most likely the scissors calling the rock op but hear me out if the large blaster is so good at killing infantry then what is the propose of small blasters on tanks do deal with infantry no?

My answer all main guns on tanks should be suppression or support based against infantry blasters should have far less rate of fire but have a decent splash area of effect to harass infantry but the primary method of killing them should be either other infantry or the small turrets on the tank or other vehicles. This would make small turrets useful and a good position to have filled.

Tanks should be very effective against light and medium vehicles but should take a good amount of effort to kill another tank. The before mentioned light and medium vehicles should be faster and much better at anti infantry than a tank, a good example of a medium vehicle that could excel at anti infantry but be weak against tanks is APCs, IFVs, Mtac or something like the lighting tank from planet side 2 a fast nimble tank with a medium turret on board.

As far as tanks and hp it has yes more would be good but tanks should also be heavy with very slow acceleration it can still go at same speed but cant just get up and go when it feel like its going down running away should be difficult to do. how many hits of AV weapons should a well fit standard tank take iam not sure iam thinking somewhere in the 6 to 8 region that's killable for a good AV team of 3 or 4,

Tank on tank battles should last at least 3 to 4 shots form the main turret assuming a fire rate similar to a shot from a rail gun perhaps a bit slower.

One of the better balances ive seen on the forums was make the driver have access to the front mounted small turret and the large turret be passenger controlled this would mean for a tank to be fielded effectively it would need at least a 2 man crew which balances against the av crew that would need to kill it, people can say isk balance all they want but currently its player per match that is main resource that needs to balance equipment.

One of the main issues i can see that stand in the way of properly having definite answer to whats wrong is we dont have alot of other vehicles or AV to see what effect they have on tanks or what effect tanks have on them so we can only balance what we got now which may hurt the something in some un seen way for example the only natural prey of tanks we have right now is LAV and i hope there will be more than that ov

Id like to know what the views of a tanker are on my suggestions as i said at the beginning i could be a bit biased.

Edit:Oh and last note they need to have a ammo bay that needs to be restocked by returning to base for example or by supply chains via vehicles supply depots, of specialised logis?

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