LazOrs are not OP, its the combination of LazOrs and damage mods.

Please come up with a more eloquent argument other then "LazOr lights everywhere like a club is silly"

Hint : shield mods are better than damage mods nearly always.

Hint : shield mods are better than damage mods nearly always.

Here, I did your work for you.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68744

If you would just stop spawning in front of me I wouldn't have to melt your face.

Would be cool if there was a reverse Laser rifle... Stronger up close.

takes no skill to use them..

Sounds like a shotgun.

Would be cool if there was a reverse Laser rifle... Stronger up close.

You want something that takes no skill to use? Assault rifles. Doesn't matter how you play, if you spray enough bullets at someone's general direction, they are going to die. The same cannot be said for any other weapon.

SMG, HMG.... need i say more?

Depends, the excellent range of the LR makes it particularly abusable with damage mods as the AR builds usually need to get in just a bit closer and alot of times do indeed need the shield mods.


Edit: Oh and umm. There is more then 1 game mode. Skirmish is not superior to Ambush. If a weapon is unbalanced in 1 and not the other then it needs to be fixed. Thanks for your opinion however.

Personally, I think if the damage build up only applied if the lazer is fixed on the target it would solve alot of problems.

This would make the laser useless.

The laser is a pretty bad general purpose weapon as it is. Yes, it shines at it's optimal range, but so do nearly all of the weapons. Stop trying to defeat a weapon at it's optimal range, that's just poor tactics.

so tired of playing matches and lookin like you are in some club with laser lights going off everywhere. Nerf or get rid of them all together.. takes no skill to use them.

too over powered ..

Then perhaps as has been suggested before buff damage and remove build up.
I just personally dont think a heavy should be dying about a second after an assault would in much circumstances, but I digress.

Stop being terrible.

No, seriously. Just stop being terrible.

Ignore that guy, he's nuts. A lot of us have been trying to get damage build-up tied to time-on-target ever since those were released, and they would in NO way make lasers useless. They would just solve the ability to miss your target for everything except that last swipe over the head that wastes them instantly because the damage builds with the heat level, which honestly doesn't make any sense from a physics standpoint.

Making the damage build-up depend on keeping the beam on target, and maybe having the damage level fall the longer the beam is off the target would in no way impede the skilled users. Honestly, I think it would eliminate most of the complaints we get about the weapon.

Lol, no. The laser is of marginal use now. The only reason people ***** about it is because they don't understand it's limitations, and ambush plays out mostly within the 10m or so of the optimal range on the laser. This is why you rarely see it in skirmish, unless one team is red lined, again causing the game to play out at that exact range.

If we happen to get a weapon that has a slightly longer range than the laser, but still useful in a run and gun type situation, you will see the laser disappear almost entirely.

Get out of optimal.

Lol, no. The laser is of marginal use now. The only reason people ***** about it is because they don't understand it's limitations, and ambush plays out mostly within the 10m or so of the optimal range on the laser. This is why you rarely see it in skirmish, unless one team is red lined, again causing the game to play out at that exact range.

If we happen to get a weapon that has a slightly longer range than the laser, but still useful in a run and gun type situation, you will see the laser disappear almost entirely.

Get out of optimal.

You want something that takes no skill to use? Assault rifles. Doesn't matter how you play, if you spray enough bullets at someone's general direction, they are going to die. The same cannot be said for any other weapon.

Stop being terrible.

No, seriously. Just stop being terrible.
[quote=Spademan][quote=Buster Friently][quote=Spademan]Personally, I think if the damage build up only applied if the lazer is fixed on the target it would solve alot of problems.

You want something that takes no skill to use? Assault rifles. Doesn't matter how you play, if you spray enough bullets at someone's general direction, they are going to die. The same cannot be said for any other weapon.

yea especially with Hip firing being 100% hit rate too as long as the reticule is orange/red they hit

if you want to take on the laser riffle, you need to get the advantage of it. Try using a sniper riffle, or even flanking the gunner to get up right behind him, and take him out instantly. People in this game need to understand that an LAV cannot take out a Tank, or an assault will not fare well against a heavy on his own. All of the guns in this game have a certain attribute that makes them Op at their optimal conditions. but if you work around it, you can still win. take a heavy vs assault, if you can get out of the Heavy Machine Gun's range, the player becomes a sitting duck.

No weapon can destroy you instantly without even having to aim, just swipe over you.

I think Laser guns( me and my corp call them dildo guns) are overpowered, takes no skill to use just spray them across the sky and you kill people.. I think AR like douvelles etc are strong but atleast takes skill to use them.. sniping people across the map is another story

so tired of playing matches and it's lookin like you are in some club with laser lights going off everywhere. Nerf or get rid of them all together.. takes no skill to use them.

too over powered ..

This idea of instant kill swipes happening all the time is a myth. It's not like you can immediately do that - it only happens on the highest charge levels, unless it's a viziam.
Have you actually used a laser?

A. A myth? You mean like the minimum of 25 times I died by a swiping laser is a myth? All in an advanced or proto suit fully tanked.

B. And? Once you do charge it up the DPS is insane.

C. I used a standard laser with a militia damage upgrade.
After a few matches of total domination I felt dirty using it so I stopped.

The laser rifle only seems overpowered because some maps, and positions, strongly cater to them. Given they only are good in a certain number of specific situations, if they are nerfed they will become useless. So it would be best to remove them instead of nerfing, but I don't recommend either.

Time to add my 2 isk on to this budding threadnaught. Honestly, the laser rifle is overpowered, but it shouldn't be drastically nerfed like some people are suggesting. Every time someone gets mad at a weapon, they want to nerf it to the ground, so that it no longer can be used effectively. Here are my fixes.

1. Fix the Viziam and the Elm

2. Increase starting damage, reduce damage at full heat, so no more melting heavies.

3. decrease max range, reduce ineffective close ranges.

In my opinion, adding heat up ties to time on target shouldn't happen. In my experience, it was near impossible to keep the laser on target. Stopped using LRs after that, so maybe I just didn't have enough practice.

I'm telling you, just have the damage build up be based on staying on the target rather than heat level, and every single problem stated here will just go away. I guarantee it.

heh bunch of whingers, you spend a bit of time on the arse end of the laser in its optimal situation and get pwned, just like the laser user gets pwned if an AR user gets up close, only reason you want it nerfed is because it kills you at range, chances are you chuck tantrums whenever a sniper headshots you too.

whats a whinger. Are you calling us wingers? Is that some british thing?

And so will the weapon.

They only have one Laser that's OP, and that's because it has about 25% more damage than it's meant to, which was a typo and will be fixed in Uprising.

Next "problem"?

Came back from a match, using the ELM-7 + 3x complex damage mods, I got in 5 minutes left on the match and got 10 kills with zero deaths in that amount of time.
I would get more if I could find enemies, they were constantly bugging out when they saw my laser.
From my testing I got these results:
Holding the R1 button for 1 sec gives you DPS that can melt people pretty quickly.
Holding the R1 button for 2 seconds starts going into the insane zone.
Getting close to max heat, I destroyed a proto heavy before he could blink.
>_>
Also, swiping happened left and right, so yeah.

Did anyone read this post? It's worth reading, check it out quoted above ^

Also anyone who's using how well the LR works against a Heavy (outside of HMG optimal of course) doesn't understand the role of the weapon. Of course you can burn down a slow moving target who's at/near the optimal range of the LR.
Try that on the fast moving target who's already at mid range or closer, see how well that works. Oh and for the record if you're testing the supremacy of a single weapon taking a tactically advantageous position (high ground with a LR or MD, around a blind corner with a shotty, down a hall with an HMG etc) or spawn camping isn't going to give useful results, or is running as part of the "blob".



I dropped into the last 5 minutes of a match today (OMS on Line Harvest to be specific), I got 6 kills, 3 deaths as a Logi (not just running a Logi suit but actually spending most of my time with an Injector or Repair Tool out) and running zero damage mods while using the EXO Mass Driver. So with roughly double the time (due to the time I spent on support actions not killing) using a proto LR and proto damage mods you earned 4 more kills than my Adv MD with no damage mods. What was the conclusion you were drawing and how would you say this additional relevant information effects that conclusion?

I would get more if they stopped hiding everywhere.
P.S
They were all proto gear.

Its funny though the weapon to my knowledge hasn't been changed since it so introduced ages ago, but only recently have people been getting upset about it, which leads me to believe its the skill of the people that have mastered the weapon that upsets people the most, not that they will acknowledge a laser user having skill.