DUST Search - Announcement:Dev Blog: Skill System Changes in Uprising Update

Ace Pendrag wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Ace Pendrag wrote:

When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing before the release of uprising.

This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6.

I figured that much. So far CCP does not impress me with their statements. They have not followed through on any that I have seen do far. Including not giving us our blueprints from the human endurance event.

I personally like the game or the idea of it. But CCP has to understand that we are not PC players and we console gamers expect our games to work as stated. The game needs action, depth, and clear information that are all available from the console.

I have hopes for uprising, but so far the game progresses very slowly. Other console developers are churning out new DLCs including maps, gear, and play expansion at a rate that makes CCP look like they are from the dark ages. If they can not do the same they will end up going the way of the dodo bird...

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Heavenly Daughter SyNergy Gaming EoN. 72	Posted - 2013.04.19 10:40:00 - [31] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I hope the future currency clarification will tell what will happen to: - Officer gear - event/tournament/PS Home/any rewards - Former vanity suits - Merc Pack / Assault Pack items Would really like an answer to this, I have ALMOST every vanity suit and would like to keep them amongst others, like the black and white LAV. H.D
V1RONXSS AL0NE Inc. 4	Posted - 2013.04.19 10:46:00 - [32] - Quote Dont care about aur reimbursement along with mercpacs so much but only for my shiny event dropsuits , pls let us know about your plans on it.
PLAYSTTION BLACK WATCH CORP 0	Posted - 2013.04.19 11:28:00 - [33] - Quote What about prize suits and blueprints from the merc and starter packs. I just spent 30 dollars and am not going to pay again.
Dezus 1000 Reaper Galactic 14	Posted - 2013.04.19 17:12:00 - [34] - Quote One question that resonated with me from a friend is what will be the ISK value of officer grade weapons? If I am using the wrong term, I am talking about the weapons that come from rare salvage drops.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 926	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:06:00 - [35] - Quote Raph Zetter wrote: I trust you will not be removing militia BPO's as they have no skill requirements Otherwise I'm just going to view this as a way to try and get more Arum out of players since you increased all the BPO prices since I purchased them........ You realize that it says at market value at the time of the reset right? That means that if you paid less than they're worth now, then you'll get more Aurum than what you originally paid, if they get taken of course.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 926	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:08:00 - [36] - Quote Dezus 1000 wrote: One question that resonated with me from a friend is what will be the ISK value of officer grade weapons? If I am using the wrong term, I am talking about the weapons that come from rare salvage drops. Sup D! I'm guessing they'll just let us keep those, since they have no market value. Hopefully the next blog will give a definite answer though.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 304	Posted - 2013.04.19 20:00:00 - [37] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Raph Zetter wrote: I trust you will not be removing militia BPO's as they have no skill requirements Otherwise I'm just going to view this as a way to try and get more Arum out of players since you increased all the BPO prices since I purchased them........ You realize that it says at market value at the time of the reset right? That means that if you paid less than they're worth now, then you'll get more Aurum than what you originally paid, if they get taken of course. Somehow I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. =/ Even tho it would be logical and in line with statement.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 304	Posted - 2013.04.19 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote REQUEST: Please add FAQ on the original post and the dev blog. Thanks.
Ace Pendrag Taiyou Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.04.19 20:09:00 - [39] - Quote Kairos Nitak wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Will the salvage items and vanity dropsuits remain untouched? I'd appreciate not loosing these. Your salvage will be reimbursed by their value in isk, however there is no official word yet on the "vanity dropsuits" That is understandable. However, what is the value of Officer (Rare Item) salvage? There is no value associated with them. Does that mean they are priceless? All of these items should be kept for future trade and replaced with working items if they no longer work. There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 179	Posted - 2013.04.19 20:45:00 - [40] - Quote Ace Pendrag wrote: Kairos Nitak wrote: Your salvage will be reimbursed by their value in isk, however there is no official word yet on the "vanity dropsuits" That is understandable. However, what is the value of Officer (Rare Item) salvage? There is no value associated with them. Does that mean they are priceless? All of these items should be kept for future trade and replaced with working items if they no longer work. There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't. Officer salvage and other proto salvage needs to remain untouched. While I am sure the ISK will be reimbursed for skillbooks, there are simply too many items that I saved up and plan to use in next build.

Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 315	Posted - 2013.04.20 02:12:00 - [41] - Quote Ace Pendrag wrote: There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't. I came here looking for this comment. What's your source on this? Has there been any news as to whether or not CCP will keep this schedule?
Domacretus Crux Blood Oath Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.04.21 02:09:00 - [42] - Quote Well I'm not with CCP or anything but as a few others have tried to answer some questions ill also try to. To begin with things with no market value such as officer grade weapons will more than likely NOT be taken from your inventory due to the fact they have no price. The skill system can be questioned all one wants however we can only speculate i understand the impatience however its obvious that atm we will not have answers so we have no choice but to wait give them a break they have alot they must work on and this is a free to play game so be as thankful as you can stop whining plz
Cal Predine StarKnight Security 38	Posted - 2013.04.21 08:49:00 - [43] - Quote You know, I'm kind of OK with all this... Yes, I'd like to keep my Officer salvage, and I can't really see a reason to take those away, even if they do get re-specced. They're random drops, and I can't use half of them anyway - it's not as if I chose to spend money on them, and then someone moved the goalposts... It'd be very nice to retain the "reward" dropsuit blueprints we've earned throughout the beta. It'd also be great if they had enduring relevance, so when half the world's population is playing Dust and its sub-games, they can see we were one of the first. But it'd make more sense to replace them with a racial equivalent, or take them away and offer a choice of replacements - it's no good having a Caldari beta-tester Assault suit if you want to play Amarr... And on that front, I thought we'd been told that in future character abilities are going to be more divided along racial lines, although that certainly wasn't apparent in that weapons skill tree screenshot... Assuming this is still the plan, this will need changes. If you are Minmatar, you'll likely find the Caldari/ Gallente suits are more tailored to provide the correct mix of CPU/ PG you need for your Exile assault rifle Blueprint than your Minmatar suits are. Maybe your Minmatar character will be offered an "Exile chemical-propelled slug-thrower" blueprint instead. Or maybe we could just call the Minmatar service rifle an "Assault Rifle", and rename all the other stuff to what they actually are? Sniper rifle is man-portable anti-materiel railgun? Current AR is rapid-fire plasma pulse rifle? Shotgun is a plasma pellet scatter gun (I don't see any shot in use there). I'm sure you can all think of better new names than mine. And don't get me started on the "Mass Driver"...
Stevez WingYip Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.04.21 15:31:00 - [44] - Quote So this is live now? I noticed a great change in skill points.
Tiluvo Digital Mercs 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:59:00 - [45] - Quote Stevez WingYip wrote: So this is live now? I noticed a great change in skill points. No, these changes are in the Uprising expansion, which is launching on May 6th. The changes you're most likely seeing are due to the weekly SP cap; after you gain 190,400 SP in battle, you stop getting SP for time spent in battle and only get them for WP earned during the battle; passive SP do not contribute to the cap and are not affected by it.
Axirts Misfits Of Mayhem 43	Posted - 2013.04.23 09:08:00 - [46] - Quote Corp control skill? Will it auto apply the points in that if you're the CEO or maybe it's being removed altogether?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 486	Posted - 2013.04.23 12:01:00 - [47] - Quote Like everyone else I'm just speculating here but I don't see how officer weapons or militia BPO's will be a part of this. Militia BPO's don't require any skill to use so why would a change in the skill tree affect which ones you use? Plus the amount of free AUR that would mean for people would be insane. I bought extra of everything in anticipation of the market opening up so I'd be receiving about 650,000 AUR for free. That's like $300 US so no way in hell is that going to happen. Also you didn't pay anything for officer gear so how can getting a refund for it even make sense? I believe a DEV said merc pack and prize items will be remaining in the game but I don't remember the exact words and I can't find a link.
Ace Pendrag Taiyou Corporation 2	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:07:00 - [48] - Quote When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 463	Posted - 2013.04.24 06:17:00 - [49] - Quote I think it will be after any unveil at fanfest it may give away, but before nest build. Day after fanfest maybe? I assume it is done and ready, they are just not hitting post key until after unveils are done.
Xin Tiger Dead Six Initiative 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 12:59:00 - [50] - Quote what about rare weapons that have no market value what will happen to them ? :S

Ace Pendrag Taiyou Corporation 2	Posted - 2013.04.24 15:06:00 - [51] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't. I came here looking for this comment. What's your source on this? Has there been any news as to whether or not CCP will keep this schedule? My source is Podcast #1, you can listen to it here: http://dust514.com/beta/news/2013/04/merc-cast-episode-1/ I do not have any news, but I am anxiously awaiting the spreadsheet as it should shed some light on the upcoming release. A detailed change list, feature description, or a manual would be awesome. However, not expected as CCP does not document well if at all.
Destros Sadowfans Shadow Worrior Legion 1	Posted - 2013.04.24 17:57:00 - [52] - Quote Can't wait for the large update to the game. BUT, i really don't want to lose all my gear that was salvage. So i hope they give us alot of ISK for the gear that we can't buy back. But over all this is the largest build to the game and can't wait to see all the hard work they put in to this game, pay off. Now to all that are worried to lose everything or just gear. The game is still a beta so exspect this to happen alot till they release the full game of this.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 90	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:28:00 - [53] - Quote Ace Pendrag wrote: When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising. This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 45	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:48:00 - [54] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising. This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6. or wait untill the information is released for fanfest... as they arnt going to give away everything that they are presenting at fanfest now will they... wait 2 whole days
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 32	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:43:00 - [55] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: Kairos Nitak wrote: Your salvage will be reimbursed by their value in isk, however there is no official word yet on the "vanity dropsuits" That is understandable. However, what is the value of Officer (Rare Item) salvage? There is no value associated with them. Does that mean they are priceless? All of these items should be kept for future trade and replaced with working items if they no longer work. There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't. Officer salvage and other proto salvage needs to remain untouched. While I am sure the ISK will be reimbursed for skillbooks, there are simply too many items that I saved up and plan to use in next build. This title was & still is slated as an MMOFPS linked to an MMORPG. I can safely assume Officer Gear will not be taken or converted, neither BPO nor BPC as these are essentially classified as Rare Drops in an MMO. Rare Drops ,AKA Salvage, has a defined Tier Value that essentially solidifies itself as a Player Determined Value item, thus rendering it immune to NPC Payout. As for Vasnity Items I can speculate they will be refunded in AUR if & only if May 6 brings out that Color Customization for Dropsuits & Vehicles Option. If not then I am almost assured that the Vanity Items will retain the standard utility it has until then. Also, I believe CCP's Marketing Division is well aware of the reprocussions for allowing Current Market Value of AUR to Insert Currency Here to overinflate & jeopardize the future Mutual Economy of EVE - DUST 514. The already gained value of AUR to ISK is generous enough as it stands alone. (Reasoning for this being acceptable compared to AUR to Insert Currency Here is that it is almost guaranteed to not sell anywhere near as high as Current Market Value due to future Player Trade being P2P. This both rewards the Savvy Investor/Entrepreneur and puts a Check & Balance in place to ensure there is no direct link to Insert Currency Here loss on CCP's end. One may argue the ISK to PLEX to AUR possibility still makes it a relevant issue, but the Player again has to find a Buyer for said Product & as per MMO Standard Archetypes there will be those who will Blacklist & "Town Crier" it up preventing immediate sale of the Item(s) in question, & there will be those that attempt Market Inflation or Undercut other Potential Sellers. These factors prove Mutually Beneficial in the long run as it displays/promotes the depth of the intended Metagame for EVE & DUST 514 (& any other MMO @ that) while encouraging the Gamer/Investor to remain a Loyal Customer, all without any significant burden to the Bank-o-CCP.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 92	Posted - 2013.04.25 12:55:00 - [56] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising. This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6. or wait untill the information is released for fanfest... as they arnt going to give away everything that they are presenting at fanfest now will they... wait 2 whole days I'd be okay with that if they hadn't stated numerous times that we would already have the info. Weeks ago it was screen shots holding it up.
Ace Pendrag Taiyou Corporation 3	Posted - 2013.04.26 00:28:00 - [57] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising. This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6. I figured that much. So far CCP does not impress me with their statements. They have not followed through on any that I have seen do far. Including not giving us our blueprints from the human endurance event. I personally like the game or the idea of it. But CCP has to understand that we are not PC players and we console gamers expect our games to work as stated. The game needs action, depth, and clear information that are all available from the console. I have hopes for uprising, but so far the game progresses very slowly. Other console developers are churning out new DLCs including maps, gear, and play expansion at a rate that makes CCP look like they are from the dark ages. If they can not do the same they will end up going the way of the dodo bird...
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 95	Posted - 2013.04.26 01:45:00 - [58] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: Kairos Nitak wrote: Your salvage will be reimbursed by their value in isk, however there is no official word yet on the "vanity dropsuits" That is understandable. However, what is the value of Officer (Rare Item) salvage? There is no value associated with them. Does that mean they are priceless? All of these items should be kept for future trade and replaced with working items if they no longer work. There are to many unknowns and I hope CCP sticks to their statement of releasing an Excel document with the new skill tree and weapons specs by the 25th of April. I will be highly disappointed if the don't. Officer salvage and other proto salvage needs to remain untouched. While I am sure the ISK will be reimbursed for skillbooks, there are simply too many items that I saved up and plan to use in next build. If proto salvage is taken away, but compensated for then it's a push. You can just purchase it.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 95	Posted - 2013.04.26 01:49:00 - [59] - Quote Ace Pendrag wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ace Pendrag wrote: When will the Excel sheet with the new skill tree be posted as stated in the podcast? I look forward to reviewing *before* the release of uprising. This is a myth apparently. We will not be getting any further information. We will just figure it out on May 6. I figured that much. So far CCP does not impress me with their statements. They have not followed through on any that I have seen do far. Including not giving us our blueprints from the human endurance event. I personally like the game or the idea of it. But CCP has to understand that we are not PC players and we console gamers expect our games to work as stated. The game needs action, depth, and clear information that are all available from the console. I have hopes for uprising, but so far the game progresses very slowly. Other console developers are churning out new DLCs including maps, gear, and play expansion at a rate that makes CCP look like they are from the dark ages. If they can not do the same they will end up going the way of the dodo bird... I am willing to wait for them to develop the game, but the communication is frustrating as hell.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative 153	Posted - 2013.04.26 05:49:00 - [60] - Quote Ace Pendrag wrote: So far CCP does not impress me with their statements. They have not followed through on any that I have seen do far. Including not giving us our blueprints from the human endurance event. Ace, I'm 74% sure you are the only person who expected to receive BPO's from the Human Endurance event. You were definitely the only one complaining about it.



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