No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.

They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.

That doesn't sound bad, a low damage, high ROF gun with a huge magizine clip box feeder container.

But without the suppression effect like in BF3, I don't see as much benefit from this then you would gain from just going Heavy.

PLEASE stop saying "magazine clip". It makes you sound like a moron. It's either clip or magazine.

Actually, it's just magazine. A clip is a tool to help load a weapon. The Magazine is what actually contains the ammunition.

trolling aside, I think the SMG fills this role quite well, its got a very high rate of fire and can have a large amount of ammunition per "Whatever" . A MG is designed to fire fast, normally from a fixed posistion because of recoil issues. A MG itself would just have subpar damage to a HMG carried by a heavy. And the only circumstance I can see one would desire it for is the mobility and the SMG is a great on the run gun.

The gap between the AR and the HMG isn't that big anyway. I don't think it needs a bridge.

Actually, it's just magazine. A clip is a tool to help load a weapon. The Magazine is what actually contains the ammunition.

No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.

They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.

No thank you not a good request

What's your reason?

It doesn't fill a missing roll. There would not be a big enough distinction between the HMG/AR. It has no roll to fill.

I knew this was going to happen though lol.....now what is wrong with having an lmg again?? Whatever happened to wanting variety?

Only class that can use HMGs are heavies. Heavies can carry all....so why cant other classes carry machine guns? Smgs are pdws...lmgs would have longer ranges than smgs and be used as primary weapon.

Not sure why people hate the idea so much.

What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol?

LMGs will allow classes other thanthe heavy to use a machine gun

What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol?

LMGs will allow classes other than the heavy to use a machine gun

It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize.

The ARs we have now are alot more like LMGs than actually assault rifles, not to mention there is not enough of a gap between the two to justify a in between weapon. While I do want more variety i would rather it be interesting variety than copy and paste stats with different animation and looks. I would appreciate more weapons along the lines of mass drivers, Laser rifles, and Scrambler rifles these are interesting and fun weapons, where as a LMG would just be a different kind of AR.

There is not enough of a difference between HMG and ARs to justify making a whole new weapon just to fill a role that doesnt need filling.

Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it.

That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR.

Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it.

That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR.

There isn't "room" for it?. So, there should be no more weapons in the game?

There is not enough of a difference between HMG and ARs to justify making a whole new weapon just to fill a role that doesnt need filling.

cloaking will allow players to dedicate them selfs to scouting and ninja killing while SMG allow players to protect themselves from multiple targets or a ambush when their main weapon is poorly suited for it.

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The lmg would fill the same roll as the HMG does but for other classes. And that is pretty much the void right there....the machine gun is inaccessible to other classes.

I could see a LMG being a minimtar version of a AR, then we would have a minni SMG LMG and HMG. but i still dont see it filling a necessary role.

When i listed those weapons early I wasnt asking for more laser weapons weapons but more EVE/alien weapons from the normally line up we deal with in Cod or BF. I want to feel like Im using a weapon with 1000s of years of weapons developlment put into it rather than another spray weapon.

I still dont think we need another spray weapon especially considering how well AR already do.

Seriously though? There are two separate skills that you can level up in order to reduce your scan profile. You're talking about a 50% reduction in scan profile. Plus, there are modules that you can equip into your dropsuit if ninja scouting is your specialty. Cloaking isn't necessary at all...it will just be a cheesy addition.

We already have assault rifles, shotguns, pdws...all weapons seen in COD or BF. They can design it with a futuristic theme just like they did the GEK or Carthum pistol, etc.

When did CoD get laser rifles, Forge guns, and Swarm launchers, you know all the interesting stuff thats apart of Dust and makes it more interesting than those two games.

Look I just dont see why we would need a LMGs when you can use a AR. Maybe i would be for this if ARs didn't have twice the magazine sizes of CoD guns or if ARs didn't have as much DPS as they do now. but what we call ARs in dust might as well be LMGs for all intended purposes. Dont forget the AR is already over powered so a LMG would be even more so.

you say this will add more variety but all it will do is either had an entirely overpowered weapons which doesn't bring any real depth to dust.

But im done, I dont care enough either way i just dont think it would be worth the development time.

Scan profile and camouflage are two different things. Scan profile effects radar, camouflage effects what you can actually see.

If you want to look for reasons why the LMG is unnecessary, you need to look at the unique features of the ARs that separate them from the same class of weapons in other games:

AR in Battlefield 3:
- Recoil: Tip of gun raises as trigger is held.
- Bullet Spread: Bullet spread increases as trigger is held
- Magazine Count: Around 30

AR in Dust 514:
- Recoil: Tip of gun stays fixed as trigger is held.
- Bullet Spread: No noticeable increase in bullet spread as trigger is held
- Magazine Count: Around 60

Because of the ammo count, lack of recoil, and bullet spread, ARs in Dust 514 are essentially equivalent to mounted LMGs in Battlefield 3. This is the biggest reason why there is no role for an LMG to fill.

Dust 514 ARs =/= other game ARs

A weapon doesn't need a unique role.

It needs a unique role for it's race.

The AR is Gallente, Caldar will have Guass rifle, and Amarr Scrambler rifle in this role.

This role for Minmatar could be filled by LMG. This role would place it between SMG and HMG about even with AR.

In EvE, autocannons(lmg tech) have 2/3 the range of blasters(ar tech)before damage drops off, but a longer max range and less dps and larger magazine.

Dust AR is aprox 36m to damage dropoff and 78m max
EvE small neutron is 1.5km and 4km with falloff (eve uses complex falloff calc, so this is over simplified)
EvE 200mm autocannon is 1km and 5.8km
This would put lmg roughly at 24m for full damage and 114m for max.

100 round belt feed, long reload time like hmg, bullet drop(it uses bullets unlike ar) with lowered rate of fire to help system process. higher recoil and dispersion then ar. Over heat after 20-30 rounds, fewer barrels make it overheat with fewer shots then an hmg.

This would make it effective at close quarters for killing and at mid to long for suppression, but hard to get enough hits for a kill at that range.

I would suggest damage and rate of fire of about 250 rpm and damage about 90. This makes it just under AR dps, but fire slow enough to have bullet drop with large team sizes. Borderlands 2 LMG fire at this rate, and it seems plenty high visually with bright tracers.

This gives weapon a unique feel and some pros/cons with ar while filling same role. It then becomes a preference what weapon a player wants in that role. It would also help with to many ar complaint without nerfing ar that is working as intended.

What bothers me about responses like this is that you guys are giving half the story to support your point. The reason there are 60 bullets instead of 30 is because there is much more health in dust than other shooters. You have to go through shielf and armor..sometimes totalling 600hp or more. In BF, you only have 100hp of health so 30 bullets fits.

Ive been trying to fathom how you can compare dust AR to BF3's lmg. BF3's lmg has considerable recoil, faster rof, and more bullets. They are not similar in any way.

People keep talking about roles....but what role does the HMG fill that is different from an AR? If you find a role for the HMG that. Is different than the AR...then apply the same role to an LMG but able to be used by other classes than heavy

That doesn't sound bad, a low damage, high ROF gun with a huge magizine clip box feeder container.

But without the suppression effect like in BF3, I don't see as much benefit from this then you would gain from just going Heavy.

That sounds exactly like a SMG. Low dmg, high RoF, big clip capacity.

Guys this idea is already in game, and it's called Sub Machine Gun.

Llan Heindell.

While a basic lmg has no unique role, maybe a gimmick would be in order. For instance, it could be a weapon with a large capacity and high rate of fire, but extremely low damage. To counter this, enemies hit by the weapon experience a wobbly and fuzzy screen, as well as a decrease in movement speed, because of the weapon's electrically charged projectiles. Enemies at a distance would not experience this effect because the charge would "burn out"(not the most correct term). This would give the lmg its own unique niche as a SAW, or squad automatic weapon, which would have to be used in tandem with a team because of its low damage.

there isn't a need for an LMG in this game. An LMG is a weapon that (in RS) normally shoots a carbine set round (5.56), at a bit of a higher rpm then what an AR can do w/ longer duration.

If you add an LMG, you'd have to then buff the damage of the HMG (which really would hit close to being OP, as seeing how even a basic HMG is nasty), and have an LMG do less damage then the HMG, but have a higher rof, which wouldn't work, as the HMG is already at 2k which is probably to fast as is.

By adding an LMG class you'd have to rework the entire HMG weapon class of damage, rof, "recoil", etc? It just wouldn't be a feasible addition to the game.

You didn't read my post again, and you don't know about real lmgs. Lmgs do not have a higher rate of fire than a mini gun. What the OP wants is an HMG for all classes. I say no, but read my other post.

No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.

They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.

Yeah thats what this game is missing. More people just spamming the R1 button.....

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WAIT! actually its a great idea yeah!

16.5 - 20.5 dmg
150 magazine
900 Rof (aprox)
Regular Accuracy
Mid Range
4 secs reload
NO HEATUP!

This way i wont have to deal with so many Gek's and duvolles XD

Dont forget that they wont be accurate plus recoil.....

what do you mean by recoil , are u referring to a plasma lmg or projectile lmg like the smg