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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:50:00 -
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No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip. |

Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
25
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:53:00 -
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Use an AR. |

Wojciak
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:55:00 -
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I would say yes but they have to be placed to start firing. |

Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:21:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
PLEASE stop saying "magazine clip". It makes you sound like a moron. It's either clip or magazine. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
195
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:26:00 -
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That doesn't sound bad, a low damage, high ROF gun with a huge magizine clip box feeder container.
But without the suppression effect like in BF3, I don't see as much benefit from this then you would gain from just going Heavy. |

Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:27:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:That doesn't sound bad, a low damage, high ROF gun with a huge magizine clip box feeder container.
But without the suppression effect like in BF3, I don't see as much benefit from this then you would gain from just going Heavy. Troll. |

Valkreena Haederox
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:28:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
PLEASE stop saying "magazine clip". It makes you sound like a moron. It's either clip or magazine.
Actually, it's just magazine. A clip is a tool to help load a weapon. The Magazine is what actually contains the ammunition. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
195
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:31:00 -
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trolling aside, I think the SMG fills this role quite well, its got a very high rate of fire and can have a large amount of ammunition per "Whatever" . A MG is designed to fire fast, normally from a fixed posistion because of recoil issues. A MG itself would just have subpar damage to a HMG carried by a heavy. And the only circumstance I can see one would desire it for is the mobility and the SMG is a great on the run gun. |

Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:35:00 -
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Valkreena Haederox wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
PLEASE stop saying "magazine clip". It makes you sound like a moron. It's either clip or magazine. Actually, it's just magazine. A clip is a tool to help load a weapon. The Magazine is what actually contains the ammunition. Exactly, but you don't say both at once.
Daedric Lothar wrote:trolling aside, I think the SMG fills this role quite well, its got a very high rate of fire and can have a large amount of ammunition per "Whatever" . A MG is designed to fire fast, normally from a fixed posistion because of recoil issues. A MG itself would just have subpar damage to a HMG carried by a heavy. And the only circumstance I can see one would desire it for is the mobility and the SMG is a great on the run gun. What he's saying is that he wants something with less capability than an HMG as a Light weapon that all suits can use. Something to bridge the gap between ARs and HMGs.
Honestly though, I agree with you. Not sure if I see a niche. |

Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:40:00 -
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The gap between the AR and the HMG isn't that big anyway. I don't think it needs a bridge. |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:47:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:The gap between the AR and the HMG isn't that big anyway. I don't think it needs a bridge. It just leaves me in mind of the LMGs in Planetside 2, which are basically just heavy ARs. |

Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
202
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:00:00 -
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I don't think we need a LMG really it seams redundant when you look at the two weapons. imagine a weapon with the accuracy/range of a HMG and DPS of a AR, I just dont think we need a bridge between the weapons honestly. |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:27:00 -
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I knew this was going to happen though lol.....now what is wrong with having an lmg again?? Whatever happened to wanting variety?
Only class that can use HMGs are heavies. Heavies can carry all....so why cant other classes carry machine guns? Smgs are pdws...lmgs would have longer ranges than smgs and be used as primary weapon. |

XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:34:00 -
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Valkreena Haederox wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
PLEASE stop saying "magazine clip". It makes you sound like a moron. It's either clip or magazine. Actually, it's just magazine. A clip is a tool to help load a weapon. The Magazine is what actually contains the ammunition.
Actually, a clip is how the rounds are stored in a manufacturers box, before they are put into magazines. |

BUGSBUNNY LOONEY
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:35:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
No thank you not a good request |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:39:00 -
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BUGSBUNNY LOONEY wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
No thank you not a good request
What's your reason? It's funny that HMGs and SMGs are ok but LMGs aren't.
Lasers & cloaking infantry are fine but LMGs aren't? What an awesome community |

XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:42:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:BUGSBUNNY LOONEY wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
No thank you not a good request What's your reason?
It doesn't fill a missing roll. There would not be a big enough distinction between the HMG/AR. It has no roll to fill. |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:45:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:BUGSBUNNY LOONEY wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
No thank you not a good request What's your reason? It doesn't fill a missing roll. There would not be a big enough distinction between the HMG/AR. It has no roll to fill.
What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol?
LMGs will allow classes other thanthe heavy to use a machine gun |

Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
840
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:45:00 -
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Not sure why people hate the idea so much. |

Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
202
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:46:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I knew this was going to happen though lol.....now what is wrong with having an lmg again?? Whatever happened to wanting variety?
Only class that can use HMGs are heavies. Heavies can carry all....so why cant other classes carry machine guns? Smgs are pdws...lmgs would have longer ranges than smgs and be used as primary weapon.
The ARs we have now are alot more like LMGs than actually assault rifles, not to mention there is not enough of a gap between the two to justify a in between weapon. While I do want more variety i would rather it be interesting variety than copy and paste stats with different animation and looks. I would appreciate more weapons along the lines of mass drivers, Laser rifles, and Scrambler rifles these are interesting and fun weapons, where as a LMG would just be a different kind of AR. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:49:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Not sure why people hate the idea so much.
It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize. |

XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:49:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:BUGSBUNNY LOONEY wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: No reason why lmgs arent in this game. People talk about variety so let's get some lmgs in here.
They can have about the same damage as HMGs but slower rate of fire and maybe half the magazine clip.
No thank you not a good request What's your reason? It doesn't fill a missing roll. There would not be a big enough distinction between the HMG/AR. It has no roll to fill. What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol? LMGs will allow classes other thanthe heavy to use a machine gun
Um.... Cloaking is active camoflouge, which is non-exisitant in game.
SMG is a rapid fire non accurate sidearm where the Pistol is a slow firing high damage accurate weapon.
Both fit a roll missing. |

Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
203
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:49:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol?
LMGs will allow classes other than the heavy to use a machine gun
There is not enough of a difference between HMG and ARs to justify making a whole new weapon just to fill a role that doesnt need filling.
cloaking will allow players to dedicate them selfs to scouting and ninja killing while SMG allow players to protect themselves from multiple targets or a ambush when their main weapon is poorly suited for it.
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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:54:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Not sure why people hate the idea so much. It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it.
That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR. |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:56:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I knew this was going to happen though lol.....now what is wrong with having an lmg again?? Whatever happened to wanting variety?
Only class that can use HMGs are heavies. Heavies can carry all....so why cant other classes carry machine guns? Smgs are pdws...lmgs would have longer ranges than smgs and be used as primary weapon. The ARs we have now are alot more like LMGs than actually assault rifles, not to mention there is not enough of a gap between the two to justify a in between weapon. While I do want more variety i would rather it be interesting variety than copy and paste stats with different animation and looks. I would appreciate more weapons along the lines of mass drivers, Laser rifles, and Scrambler rifles these are interesting and fun weapons, where as a LMG would just be a different kind of AR.
An AR only has 60 bullets because there is shield & armor. An LMG could possibly have 150 bullets or so. Inaccurate like the HMG..more dps than an AR but less than an HMG.
You're asking for more variations of the same weapons. You want to see more lasers and ARs when we have them. But there is no LMG in the game.
The justification for the LMG doesn't have to be an in between weapon.....but for the fact that other classes are not able to use machine guns. Thee's the hole right there. I have players coming from BF3 who liked the MG and was going to use it here but the slow movements of the heavy turned them off. These are players that would have stayed and increase the playerbase. |

XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:58:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote: There is not enough of a difference between HMG and ARs to justify making a whole new weapon just to fill a role that doesnt need filling.
Personally I don't see it. I am all for more variety, so I certainly wont be upset if it comes out by any means. As is, I simply don't how it fills a roll. |

Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
840
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:58:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Not sure why people hate the idea so much. It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it. That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR. ARs get a shield bonus, LMGs would get an armor bonus... I would assume. Why not use an HMG? Because they suck. "Death Machine" my butt. |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:58:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Not sure why people hate the idea so much. It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it. That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR.
There isn't "room" for it?. So, there should be no more weapons in the game? |

XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:01:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Not sure why people hate the idea so much. It is something that I'm trying to figure out. I think it may be their desire to antagonize. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the idea. I just dont think there is room for it. That being said, if they change up the AR because a mass of people say its "OP". And they change the HMG then there would be room. But just saying a slower weapon, that can be used by non heaves, with less ammo, thats basically the AR. There isn't "room" for it?. So, there should be no more weapons in the game?
There should be a LOT more weapons. But they should all fill a different roll from each other. |

Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1044
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:04:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
What roll does cloaking fit in? Yet people are thirsty for them. What roll does an smg fill when you already have a pistol?
LMGs will allow classes other than the heavy to use a machine gun
There is not enough of a difference between HMG and ARs to justify making a whole new weapon just to fill a role that doesnt need filling. cloaking will allow players to dedicate them selfs to scouting and ninja killing while SMG allow players to protect themselves from multiple targets or a ambush when their main weapon is poorly suited for it.
Seriously though? There are two separate skills that you can level up in order to reduce your scan profile. You're talking about a 50% reduction in scan profile. Plus, there are modules that you can equip into your dropsuit if ninja scouting is your specialty. Cloaking isn't necessary at all...it will just be a cheesy addition. |
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