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0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:21:00 -
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So... I put about 2 weeks of SP into armor tanks, and I was just able to eat two flux grenades, one forge gun, and an orbital without moving.
And guess what? I was down 1k armor (out of over 6) by the time the orbital finished.
Oh, and my armor repair unit wasn't done, so it got me to full HP a couple seconds later.
Then another forge gunner got off a shot, but it did little damage because armor tanks can lol have an armor hardener up 100% of the time.
And since a few of my cooldowns were recharging, I decided to use my nitrous boost to go way faster than a shield tank ever could.
So **** you armor HAV operators, you have nothing to complain about! Don't be mad because a shield tank with a railgun is the *only* thing that can kill you. That was enough AV to kill two to three Sagaris, and a Madrugar took it all like it was nothing.
> I have heard that two proto AV can also take out an armor tank. Well guess what? It only takes one to kill a shield tank. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
219
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:23:00 -
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P.S.
I'm not saying that armor tanks should be nerfed. Two proto AV seems like plenty enough to me. If anything, shield tanks could use a small booster (ie making hardeners last longer) but I'm alright with things staying similar to how they are now with shield tanks being the only hard counter to armor. |
UK-Shots
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:24:00 -
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agree with you there been playing a few days and once ive came up against an armoured tank and it was nailing the whole of our team so i got all mad and went to my crappy anti-armour suit thinking right now your going down.
when i was done with 6 rockets his health was barely touched..so i had to keep scurrying from him all game like a rabbit |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
406
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:28:00 -
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Flux nades do virtually nothing to an armor tank you have what 1k shields? The second flux was unnecessary.
Eating the warbarge ob... meh its the weakest you WILL NOT survige the laser eve strike.
One forge gun shot is not all that impressive either.
Now if it had been three packed av nades that forge and ob you would been a smoldering pile of curvy green scrap... |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
463
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:30:00 -
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Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
113
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:34:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:P.S.
I'm not saying that armor tanks should be nerfed. Two proto AV seems like plenty enough to me. If anything, shield tanks could use a small booster (ie making hardeners last longer) but I'm alright with things staying similar to how they are now with shield tanks being the only hard counter to armor. well a sagaris w/ missiles could beat a surya w/ blasters both fitted to the max if the sagaris could hit atleast 50% of the time the only problem is that missiles have been nerfed so they are really hard to hit moving targets so that's easier said then done. |
noob 45
Syndicate of Gods
30
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:42:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods.
The armor hardeners make it easy as pie to survive 9 Ex-0 AV grenades. Have put a full clip of the proto forge + 3 Ex-0 AV into madrugars rocking their resist and only dropped half their life. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:44:00 -
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And here my friends a shield QQ tanker that has not faced with Ex-0 AV nades which takes your armor faster than Orbital and Find you no matter where you throw it and Adv+ swarm launchers that can lock-on in no time and can turn corners with you, even make 300+ degree turns. Even militia swarms deal 1500 damage without hardners. What a noob. Keep crying. Try Harder. You are amusing. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:47:00 -
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noob 45 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods. The armor hardeners make it easy as pie to survive 9 Ex-0 AV grenades. Have put a full clip of the proto forge + 3 Ex-0 AV into madrugars rocking their resist and only dropped half their life. Clearly lying. |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
51
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:56:00 -
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My swarms will eat you alive |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star. EoN.
936
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:00:00 -
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LOL. Armor tanks should be teabagged before you kill it. Weakest tanks around. LMFAO @Flux nades for armor tanks! |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:03:00 -
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Wait till you get hit by packed AV and swarms. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2733
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:03:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:So... I put about 2 weeks of SP into armor tanks, and I was just able to eat two flux grenades, one forge gun, and an orbital without moving.
And guess what? I was down 1k armor (out of over 6) by the time the orbital finished.
Oh, and my armor repair unit wasn't done, so it got me to full HP a couple seconds later.
Then another forge gunner got off a shot, but it did little damage because armor tanks can lol have an armor hardener up 100% of the time.
And since a few of my cooldowns were recharging, I decided to use my nitrous boost to go way faster than a shield tank ever could.
So **** you armor HAV operators, you have nothing to complain about! Don't be mad because a shield tank with a railgun is the *only* thing that can kill you. That was enough AV to kill two to three Sagaris, and a Madrugar took it all like it was nothing.
> I have heard that two proto AV can also take out an armor tank. Well guess what? It only takes one to kill a shield tank.
not sure if srs or just got into tanking when rails were broken to passive skills cuz if u just got into it no one complained back in the good days when rails were fine
only problems with shield tanks atm are hardener duration cuz 10secs is a cruel joke and needing a fix for missiles
not even gonna comment on why armor hardeners and reps last as longer than shields i figure that should be common sense to any experienced tanker thats been around a while |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2733
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:04:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:LOL. Armor tanks should be teabagged before you kill it. Weakest tanks around. LMFAO @Flux nades for armor tanks!
ya wasnt sure how to reply to the flux nade part tbh...... |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2733
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:05:00 -
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noob 45 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods. The armor hardeners make it easy as pie to survive 9 Ex-0 AV grenades. Have put a full clip of the proto forge + 3 Ex-0 AV into madrugars rocking their resist and only dropped half their life.
as an armor tanker i can tell u this is rubbish but ur welcome to keep tellin the good folks this story and watch as we lol when they QQ that they went down so fast |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:09:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:noob 45 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods. The armor hardeners make it easy as pie to survive 9 Ex-0 AV grenades. Have put a full clip of the proto forge + 3 Ex-0 AV into madrugars rocking their resist and only dropped half their life. as an armor tanker i can tell u this is rubbish but ur welcome to keep tellin the good folks this story and watch as we lol when they QQ that they went down so fast +1
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2734
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:10:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:P.S.
I'm not saying that armor tanks should be nerfed. Two proto AV seems like plenty enough to me. If anything, shield tanks could use a small booster (ie making hardeners last longer) but I'm alright with things staying similar to how they are now with shield tanks being the only hard counter to armor.
see this is the problem with u new tankers back in the good day there was no hard counter to a tank just by droppin another tank is this pokemon now? back in the good days it was based on skill
a rail shield tank had to be aware of his surroudings and enemy to keep the blaster tank at bay whereas the blaster tank had to figure out how to close the gap and get in his optimal range to deal with a shield rail fit
that is not the case now as proto rails win at all ranges rail tanking and tanking in general was alot more skillful than this cod tank 2 shot insta die stuff ppl had to use their brain and rely on good skill to win tank v tank fights not just drop a rail and that = autowin against any other turret.
Bring back skill Player skill > Pokemon skill this is a fps not a trading card game/rpg/rts
PS : started as a rail tanker back in the good days cuz it took skill and ever since passive dmg broke it making it too easy to kill another tank , rails and tank v tank in general has been dull |
UK-Shots
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:18:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:0 Try Harder wrote:P.S.
I'm not saying that armor tanks should be nerfed. Two proto AV seems like plenty enough to me. If anything, shield tanks could use a small booster (ie making hardeners last longer) but I'm alright with things staying similar to how they are now with shield tanks being the only hard counter to armor. see this is the problem with u new tankers back in the good day there was no hard counter to a tank just by droppin another tank is this pokemon now? back in the good days it was based on skill a rail shield tank had to be aware of his surroudings and enemy to keep the blaster tank at bay whereas the blaster tank had to figure out how to close the gap and get in his optimal range to deal with a shield rail fit that is not the case now as proto rails win at all ranges rail tanking and tanking in general was alot more skillful than this cod tank 2 shot insta die stuff ppl had to use their brain and rely on good skill to win tank v tank fights not just drop a rail and that = autowin against any other turret. Bring back skill Player skill > Pokemon skill this is a fps not a trading card game/rpg/rts PS : started as a rail tanker back in the good days cuz it took skill and ever since passive dmg broke it making it too easy to kill another tank , rails and tank v tank in general has been dull what are you on about back in the good day? |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:36:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:So... I put about 2 weeks of SP into armor tanks, and I was just able to eat two flux grenades, one forge gun, and an orbital without moving.
And guess what? I was down 1k armor (out of over 6) by the time the orbital finished.
Oh, and my armor repair unit wasn't done, so it got me to full HP a couple seconds later.
Then another forge gunner got off a shot, but it did little damage because armor tanks can lol have an armor hardener up 100% of the time.
And since a few of my cooldowns were recharging, I decided to use my nitrous boost to go way faster than a shield tank ever could.
So **** you armor HAV operators, you have nothing to complain about! Don't be mad because a shield tank with a railgun is the *only* thing that can kill you. That was enough AV to kill two to three Sagaris, and a Madrugar took it all like it was nothing.
> I have heard that two proto AV can also take out an armor tank. Well guess what? It only takes one to kill a shield tank. Be happy my DCMA isn't on a heavy vk.0 with 3 damage mods and proficiency 5. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star. EoN.
936
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Be happy my DCMA isn't on a heavy vk.0 with 3 damage mods and proficiency 5.
LOL. You don't need a DCMA with 3 damage mods. All you need is scout suit with packed AV nades and Proximity mines. Talk to any of the folks in EoN. They have become experts is taking out armor tanks.
Armor tanks are nothing by glorified scrap metal at this point in time. |
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0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
219
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:03:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:Flux nades do virtually nothing to an armor tank you have what 1k shields? They **** up shield tanks.
Val'herik Dorn wrote:Now if it had been three packed av nades that forge and ob you would been a smoldering pile of curvy green scrap... WOW! So what you are saying is that someone needs to have AV weapons to do any damage to armor tanks? Well let me tell you about shield tanking...
Val'herik Dorn wrote:Eating the warbarge ob... meh its the weakest you WILL NOT survige the laser eve strike. Thanks for supporting my comments about armor tanking is easymode. You realize that shield tanks lose a huge amount of HP and cannot rep it or be back to near 100% effectiveness during and after the weakest OB strike?
Val'herik Dorn wrote:One forge gun shot is not all that impressive either. Right, because I was in an EzMode armor tank. Getting shot by a forge gun during an OB and then right after in a shield tank is almost certain doom.
Mavado V Noriega wrote:ya wasnt sure how to reply to the flux nade part tbh...... Because they **** up shield tanks and infantry. AV grenades only work on vehicles. A guy running a 100% anti-infantry fit with anti-infantry grenades can do some serious damage to shield tanks.
At least someone has to put some effort into killing an armor tank.
If armor HAVs are as good as shield HAVs in tank on tank warfare, why the **** would anyone use a shield tank when they are weak as hell to infantry?
Armor tanking is easy mode when compared to shield tanking. At least you can handle some AV. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:04:00 -
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noob 45 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Flux nades on an armor tank?
Wait till you get hit by Packed AV nades and Swarms with 3-4 damage mods. The armor hardeners make it easy as pie to survive 9 Ex-0 AV grenades. Have put a full clip of the proto forge + 3 Ex-0 AV into madrugars rocking their resist and only dropped half their life. LOL You're joking right? One of those AV grenades took 2000 armor out of my tank with the Carapace hardener going. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
535
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:04:00 -
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Spent some SP into armor tanks after 0tryharder told me his experience, and for pubstomping armor is easymode. In my maduragar I soaked up an ob, a forge shot, a few swarm volleys and an AV grenade or two. There is no way I could have done that in a gunlogi. And to top it off as i was retreating because my hardener was almost used up, I got full armor HP back.
This is a conversation I had with Caeli about a week into open beta, Armor tanks are your AI, while Shield is better at your AV dutys.
And back in the day, the reason why everyone was running was because you had a 5m splash radius with around 600 or so splash damage. And it provided AV and AI capabilities. After the rail nerf I switched to blasters for a while. Until the rails got a bit of there turn speed back.
The reason why blasters could take on rails in CQC was because the tank could out maneuver the rail tank. It wasn't a matter of getting better damage up close. When they nerfed the turn speed of HAV's the effectively eliminated the CQC blaster tank vs rail.
Circling tanks to death in those days was fun btw. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
478
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:23:00 -
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shield tanks should be easier to take out. they are faster. alot faster |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:41:00 -
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I do not see much of a problem destroying any HAV when I have at least one proto forge gun in my squad. However, when I do not have that, all HAVs seems impossible to destroy. I always thought shield tanks were harder to destroy. Armor tanks are generally slower and with swarms being stronger against armor and with militia versions readily available to all players, I view them as easier to destroy. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax. CRONOS.
37
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:06:00 -
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As armor tanker I have to tell that:
- I'm not surviving half of OB, because I don't have enough time to activate all tanking modules.
- When I have audio-off I don't even know that OB is killing me.
- AV granates are to powerful compeer to other AV weapons with they drawbacks(each of them have some drawbacks, Heavy have they suit's, Swarms L slot, granates have none).
- Shield tanks are much faster then armor ones. So when shield tank have trouble he can always try to run away, armor tanks are 3 times slower.
- Shield tanks are faster, but maps are not so big - and that is the real problem, you may run but you can not hide, you cannot send back your tank as well.
Armor tanks are not so powerful and they are not on easy mode, they can be easily eliminate if they are not carefully enough. |
knight of 6
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:17:00 -
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video or it didn't happen.
i can't get over 5.1k and have well over 3 mill invested
nos, 6k+ armor, and a rep, please tell me again how you had enough pg for that on an STD tank. 6k+ armor and still faster than a shield tank?
I FORMALLY CALL SHENANIGANS ON YOU SIR! *points at op* video or gtfo |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
221
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:29:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:As armor tanker I have to tell that: As someone who can go into the game, read, and try out, I can tell you lots of things too!
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Shield tanks are much faster then armor ones. Step 1: Get off forums and go turn on DUST Step 2: Look at the marketplace. Look at speed of armor vs shield.
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Shield tanks are faster Well maybe you are including armor plates. So why not set up a race? Since the armor tank actually gains some survivability by equipping a nitrous boost, why not try one fit with that on and another with it off against the shield tank. Shield tanks lose a lot of survivability by equipping one of those. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
221
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:34:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:video or it didn't happen.
i can't get over 5.1k and have well over 3 mill invested (combat fitted, rep hardeners ect.)
nos, 6k+ armor, and a rep, please tell me again how you had enough pg for that on an STD tank. 6k+ armor and still faster than a shield tank?
I FORMALLY CALL SHENANIGANS ON YOU SIR! *points at op* video or gtfo
1x best heavy armor rep 1x best 180mm plate 2x best hardeners 1x PG mod because I only have L3 in armor plates, you know, because armor tanking is easy
You're welcome btw. I know you were just wanted to know what I used to survive all of that ;) CCP is changing things, so you'll have to try that build vs a gunnlogi again. Give armor a nitrous, and gunnlogi none because no one uses that on a shield tank (and for good reason...)
Total armor = 6752 HP |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1067
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:48:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:video or it didn't happen.
i can't get over 5.1k and have well over 3 mill invested (combat fitted, rep hardeners ect.)
nos, 6k+ armor, and a rep, please tell me again how you had enough pg for that on an STD tank. 6k+ armor and still faster than a shield tank?
I FORMALLY CALL SHENANIGANS ON YOU SIR! *points at op* video or gtfo
hey hey... I survived swarms, AV nades, OB, FG in my militia shield tank...
see, I too can sound leet |
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