I'd like to quote mike Tyson if I may. " I wish one of you guys had children, so I could kick them in head or smash their ********* so you could feel my pain" quote edited for profanity. This was my early experience with dust, but now I can't stop playing. Killing someone in a proto with my 690 isk logi load out is hilarious and well worth my multiple deaths. I think how angry people get and the rage is the best part of the game. This is by far one of the best shooters I've played in years, because it actually has consequences. I feel more involved because people take the game so seriously. Like when I kill someone in the game, I know that every once in awhile (in real life) a part of them dies inside. I like the sounds of the panic in the voices of my team mates screaming for someone to rezz them as they lay dying out in the open where they never should have been in the first place. I like listening to them cry about 250,000 isk they had in the suit they just lost and how we are all a bunch of idiots for not all running out and dying with them. I'm a fan of dust, because I'm a fan of people's misery. All the whining on the forums only feeds my desire to play and kill every player I see. I hope dust and the little girls with skinned knees on these forums will be around for years to come. So i can continue to bathe in your tears and continue to t bag your virtual corpses. I am a sadist. I am a healer. I am dust.

Well.. I read that post about we love this game because it has consequences, BUT..... it doesn't yet. I find that funny because we all play this game for a reason that doesn't actually exist yet.

I got married under a concept like that. She is a sweet girl inside, she will lose this other side eventually, I know she is a sweet girl even if everyone else tells me she is nuts. That didn't end very well. It ended how most people would expect it to.

A big point is that alot of the fundamentals need to be just "tweaked" and yet CCP is almost always silent. Id like to see the Devs more active here in the fourms other then droping cryptic hints every once in awhile. I must admit that I am not active on the IRC and it does sound like they are there alot chatting with players, so it may just be my bad for not being able to be in the correct place.

I must admit I find Planetside have a much more interactive forum. Check out these forums. I wish we had forums this awesome for the Feedback. For understanding where we are.

The way life could be.

Trust me, as someone who got into Planetside 2 in the early days of the Tech Test before the Closed Beta, and used to post on those forums, the last thing you want is for CCP to emulate SOE. For instance, over the full length of time that flak was nerfed to the point that it was almost impossible to counter aircraft with it, guess who was up in the sky in a Reaver for all his streams? Matt Higby, the creative director. After the SKEP anti-tank seeker launcher was nerfed? I ran into SOE CEO John Smedley in a Vanu Magrider hover-tank.

. This is a FPS but not like the COD and its ilk. In those games you get a gun and can do just fine in your first match with basic gear. This is not that game. Playing it like it is does not work.

I have bad gear. my SP is in drop ships not in gun game. I do just fine with LESS skill points in gun game than you get when you start a new character. Not great but fine. I use STD gear. Here is my style :

1) I Identify the stronger geared players.
- Watch the feed. If i see a single player kill 3 guys in a row with a Duvelle gun I avoid engaging that player
- Look at the market and learn the names of the high level weapons. See those in the feed, careful of their owners.
2) I play behind the stronger players and let them lead, even if they are going in a direction I think is dumb.
3) I stay with the group/squad.
4) I do NOT engage a PRO or often ADV suit. If i engage and seem to be doing only a little damage I disengage.
5) I am useless on my own so never stay alone.
6) I do NOT let the red mist get me. If a guy almost gets me and I almost get him and he runs, I do not chase him unless supported. Let him go.
7) Even if you see an easy target on his own, let him be if you are not supported.
8) I avoid open places. Keep to cover.
9) If in a fight he is almost dead but so am I and he ducks to reload, I often let him go and fall back behind the team. Let the team kill him. I am weak and need to back of when I am vulnerable.

so we came to the conclusion: this game is not fun.

Great post overall; I'd like to copy this part and put it on our corporation forums if you don't mind. Credit to you.

Then you should play Call of Duty. This game is hard for a reason. Ever tried playing Eve?

The community DOES want a training environment, it's just not top of CCPs priority list. It should be, and you should gain active SP for training.
Noob problem = fixed
AFK farming = fixed

Buh, Bye Kitten.

Enjoy Angry Birds.

This was a really good post Judge, +1

Great insightful points that also show a bit about some of the things that are wrong about this game and people's attitude towards it.

I will admit though, the newbie AR is garbage and that leads to ALOT of newbie frustration. If we want to keep "some" possible COD converts and try to make real gamers out of them then that gun will have to be buffed up alot for them to keep playing long enough to convert them. Recoil is to high and it deals to little damage.

hi, just going to say me and a buddy just installed and started playing your game, and needless to say, we will not be playing any farther.

the 2 hours mentioned were boots on the ground on the fight time, not total time.



from the get go, we understood that you could pay to enhance your experience, however little did we know how little you could accomplish with the given equipment, in less then an hour we had a decent handle on the controls and feel of the game however we continued to come up short on our firefights, even when we had 2 on 1's in nearly every match we played we seen players with much higher experience and vastly superior weapons, everyone, not just a few, i mean everyone had "named" versions of guns, and you could see grenades being far different as well, constantly we encountered matches where we all got steamrolled and were almost always unable to simply provide any challenge or fight back in any frame or sort of the word, it was a slaughter fest with our meat on the menu, so after a few matches like that we decided we needed to look at new weapons and skills, so we took the time to have a very good look around the store in game, (load times were atrocious) and tried a few new weapons, (p*ss poor descriptions by the way) and built our own custom dropkits with enough guns to last an entire match, and again, mowed down... apparently the guns we got were just as bad because we did not have the skill points enough to get the "good" ones, so we thought "lets get into tanks or better yet, the flying things"

oh how we were mislead by those intro cutscenes....

when the vehicle section finally loaded, we looked blankly at the pricing of even some of the lower tier flyers and tanks, it's no wonder why you rarely see these on the battlefield, the "drivers license" for any of them costed 3 times the amount even to get a single unit on the field never mind a replacement for the one that gets taken out in the first 3 seconds trying to figure out how it works, both of us thought the same thing;


"what the hell, what is going to make us want to play this game for the time it takes to get anything half decent if we can't enjoy the first 2 hours of gaming?


why would we spend a week in anger trying to work up enough SP and cash dieing constantly to play in one dropship in one game for less then a quarter of the match? "


why do we, simply never have equal footing?


why even keep trying? XP system is crappy, guns are trash, and any vehicles worth their coin is out of reach...

so we came to the conclusion: this game is not fun.

What a load of ****. Here's a novel thought, maybe this has something to do with your level of skill and not the game mechanics? I've been running around with a militia assault suit and standard laser rifle for the past week with absolutely zero issue averaging a higher than 2.0 KDR (yes this includes against players running proto gear). The difference between what you can fit to a militia suit and what I can fit is MAYBE 10% damage. if that.

Maybe put some effort into getting better and lose that attitude of "omg I'm **** at this, it's no fun, devs fix the game". This is not your run and gun twitch cod fps, it may actually take some effort to become acquainted with.

P.S. as to your tank and dropship comment: both of these are available on the market under "Militia Items", with absolutely no requirement to use skills points.

EDIT: to clarify, I have absolutely no qualms about any sort of training area for newer players. I think anything that makes integration into this game easier is great. My problem is with your attitude of " I can't do it, I didn't seek assistance, this game must be broken"