DUST Search - unbalenced game = 2 hour frustration fest

2100 Angels wrote:

Scott Talasko wrote:

hi, just going to say me and a buddy just installed and started playing your game, and needless to say, we will not be playing any farther. Sad

the 2 hours mentioned were boots on the ground on the fight time, not total time. Attention

from the get go, we understood that you could pay to enhance your experience, however little did we know how little you could accomplish with the given equipment, in less then an hour we had a decent handle on the controls and feel of the game however we continued to come up short on our firefights, even when we had 2 on 1's in nearly every match we played we seen players with much higher experience and vastly superior weapons, everyone, not just a few, i mean everyone had "named" versions of guns, and you could see grenades being far different as well, constantly we encountered matches where we all got steamrolled and were almost always unable to simply provide any challenge or fight back in any frame or sort of the word, it was a slaughter fest with our meat on the menu, so after a few matches like that we decided we needed to look at new weapons and skills, so we took the time to have a very good look around the store in game, (load times were atrocious) and tried a few new weapons, (p*ss poor descriptions by the way) and built our own custom dropkits with enough guns to last an entire match, and again, mowed down... apparently the guns we got were just as bad because we did not have the skill points enough to get the "good" ones, so we thought "lets get into tanks or better yet, the flying things"

oh how we were mislead by those intro cutscenes.... Cry

when the vehicle section finally loaded, we looked blankly at the pricing of even some of the lower tier flyers and tanks, it's no wonder why you rarely see these on the battlefield, the "drivers license" for any of them costed 3 times the amount even to get a single unit on the field never mind a replacement for the one that gets taken out in the first 3 seconds trying to figure out how it works, both of us thought the same thing;

"what the hell, what is going to make us want to play this game for the time it takes to get anything half decent if we can't enjoy the first 2 hours of gaming?

Attention

why would we spend a week in anger trying to work up enough SP and cash dieing constantly to play in one dropship in one game for less then a quarter of the match? "

Attention

why do we, simply never have equal footing?

why even keep trying? XP system is crappy, guns are trash, and any vehicles worth their coin is out of reach... Roll

so we came to the conclusion: this game is not fun. Straight

What a load of ****. Here's a novel thought, maybe this has something to do with your level of skill and not the game mechanics? I've been running around with a militia assault suit and standard laser rifle for the past week with absolutely zero issue averaging a higher than 2.0 KDR (yes this includes against players running proto gear). The difference between what you can fit to a militia suit and what I can fit is MAYBE 10% damage. if that.

Maybe put some effort into getting better and lose that attitude of "omg I'm **** at this, it's no fun, devs fix the game". This is not your run and gun twitch cod fps, it may actually take some effort to become acquainted with.

P.S. as to your tank and dropship comment: both of these are available on the market under "Militia Items", with absolutely no requirement to use skills points.

EDIT: to clarify, I have absolutely no qualms about any sort of training area for newer players. I think anything that makes integration into this game easier is great. My problem is with your attitude of " I can't do it, I didn't seek assistance, this game must be broken"


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Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Then you should play Call of Duty. This game is hard for a reason. Ever tried playing Eve? Wrong, this game is unnecessarily hard due to poor tutorials and the importance of putting exactly the right skills in exactly the right places from the start. It also requires an understanding that players with more skill points and better gear will simply be better on the battlefield due to their time investment. Any new player expecting this game to be at least somewhat fair from the start should know better. And you. You're the ones killing the game. How quickly you forget that your time invested in skills and gear is making up for your average FPS skills. How quickly you assume that you're doing better because you're better-skilled in a game that's so heavily reliant on skill and gears. Must be nice to have your heads so far up your... Yeah. I'm an experienced FPS player and I do well with average gear. What would I do with a Duvolle assault rifle, proto gear, 2 complex damage modifiers, etc.? I won't know for a few months at least. That's the difference. You're not better. Your stuff is better. Stop lying to the new players and telling them to suck it up and get better.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:45:00 - [2] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: The community DOES want a training environment, it's just not top of CCPs priority list. It should be, and you should gain active SP for training. Noob problem = fixed AFK farming = fixed The funny part is, an improved tutorial and a "training grounds" SHOULD be the #1 top priority for CCP. The steep learning curve of this game is not only scaring away players, it's making them turn their heads in disgust and vow to never try it again. CCP is ACTIVELY mitigating the future success of this game by not addressing the problem that new players face! Think about this for a second: We should be incredibly grateful that the topic creator took the time out of his day to give his first impressions. It shows that despite his bad experience, he wants the game to be good. Now think for a second about every single PSN member who downloaded Dust 514, wrote it off as garbage, deleted it and started playing something else without ever telling anyone. That's right. We never get to hear from them, but they exist. And what is the numbers? What's the retention rate for downloads vs. sustained play time? We may never see those statistics, but often what you don't see is just as important if not more important than what you do see.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:47:00 - [3] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Buh, Bye Kitten. Enjoy Angry Birds. Stop posting comments and ruining the game with your elitist attitude. Retaining new players is the most important part of Dust 514.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: OP has it right and also wrong : This was a really good post Judge, +1 Great insightful points that also show a bit about some of the things that are wrong about this game and people's attitude towards it. I will admit though, the newbie AR is garbage and that leads to ALOT of newbie frustration. If we want to keep "some" possible COD converts and try to make real gamers out of them then that gun will have to be buffed up alot for them to keep playing long enough to convert them. Recoil is to high and it deals to little damage. That's such a great point. This game not only is lacking tutorials, but has BAD ones, as well. The game leads you to believe that you can try out the game using the [STARTER FIT] dropsuits because they don't cost money. The truth is that they and the weapons that accompany them are so ridiculously under-powered that it leads players to believe that the game is just unfair and imbalanced from the start. How many matches would you use starter fits before you upgraded? I'm sure the answer from most veteran players is ZERO MATCHES. The first thing you do is buy a better dropsuit.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:07:00 - [5] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Scott Talasko wrote: hi, just going to say me and a buddy just installed and started playing your game, and needless to say, we will not be playing any farther. the 2 hours mentioned were boots on the ground on the fight time, not total time. from the get go, we understood that you could pay to enhance your experience, however little did we know how little you could accomplish with the given equipment, in less then an hour we had a decent handle on the controls and feel of the game however we continued to come up short on our firefights, even when we had 2 on 1's in nearly every match we played we seen players with much higher experience and vastly superior weapons, everyone, not just a few, i mean everyone had "named" versions of guns, and you could see grenades being far different as well, constantly we encountered matches where we all got steamrolled and were almost always unable to simply provide any challenge or fight back in any frame or sort of the word, it was a slaughter fest with our meat on the menu, so after a few matches like that we decided we needed to look at new weapons and skills, so we took the time to have a very good look around the store in game, (load times were atrocious) and tried a few new weapons, (pss poor descriptions by the way) and built our own custom dropkits with enough guns to last an entire match, and again, mowed down... apparently the guns we got were just as bad* because we did not have the skill points enough to get the "good" ones, so we thought "lets get into tanks or better yet, the flying things" oh how we were mislead by those intro cutscenes.... when the vehicle section finally loaded, we looked blankly at the pricing of even some of the lower tier flyers and tanks, it's no wonder why you rarely see these on the battlefield, the "drivers license" for any of them costed 3 times the amount even to get a single unit on the field never mind a replacement for the one that gets taken out in the first 3 seconds trying to figure out how it works, both of us thought the same thing; "what the hell, what is going to make us want to play this game for the time it takes to get anything half decent if we can't enjoy the first 2 hours of gaming? why would we spend a week in anger trying to work up enough SP and cash dieing constantly to play in one dropship in one game for less then a quarter of the match? " why do we, simply never have equal footing? why even keep trying? XP system is crappy, guns are trash, and any vehicles worth their coin is out of reach... so we came to the conclusion: this game is not fun. What a load of **. Here's a novel thought, maybe this has something to do with your level of skill and not the game mechanics? I've been running around with a militia assault suit and standard laser rifle for the past week with absolutely zero issue averaging a higher than 2.0 KDR (yes this includes against players running proto gear). The difference between what you can fit to a militia suit and what I can fit is MAYBE 10% damage. if that. Maybe put some effort into getting better and lose that attitude of "omg I'm ** at this, it's no fun, devs fix the game". This is not your run and gun twitch cod fps, it may actually take some effort to become acquainted with. P.S. as to your tank and dropship comment: both of these are available on the market under "Militia Items", with absolutely no requirement to use skills points. EDIT: to clarify, I have absolutely no qualms about any sort of training area for newer players. I think anything that makes integration into this game easier is great. My problem is with your attitude of " I can't do it, I didn't seek assistance, this game must be broken" Bullcrap. As an experienced FPS player, I can tell you that this game has everything to do with picking the right skills and gear from the start. The very first lesson I learned in this game is that despite my superior tactics and attack angles, my damage output was not high enough and my defense was too low to survive any face-to-face encounters. After deleting around 5 starter builds and spending close to a few hours watching tutorial videos on YouTube, I now have a character build that complements the fact that I always have been pretty good at FPS games. And you vets keep saying this isn't a "run and gun" FPS game. What, you've never been killed by a competent shotgun scout? There's a time and place for tactics, and a time and place for run and gun. Like any class-based FPS game, you just play to your strengths.