He proclaimed rockets are over powered...

I have trouble even understanding watdafuk he's going on about at times.

Regardless of what you fanboys have to say this kid raises some legitimate issues.

Time for the defense force to verbally abuse some random guy on YouTube about his opinion on video game!

Calling troll

Yup he's an idiot, but even a patient FPS player will get to the same point this reviewer is at.

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I'll use the analogy again...

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Not the least of all overpromising and underdelivering.

So yea keep that tinfoil hat on

Agreed on the first sentence. I have been there. at least twice already.

Don't drive a car so your analogy doesn't really make much sense. But even if I did, it still wouldn't. I don't see how driving a Tesla would lead me to an epiphany whereby I suddenly become convinced that we needed to enact drastic measures to curb population growth, regulate industrial farming and the housing industry to reduce carbon emissions there as well as in energy production, immediately stop any further deforestation, and so on, just because one electric car was a little more enjoyable to drive. The electricity has to be produced somehow and there is no guarantee that it is produced cleanly and delivered efficiently.

Where was I, oh yeah. I am not sure you understand what a tinfoil hat is meant to do? Basically it can protect you from transmissions that the government produces using space alien technology and then sends out over the air waves to brainwash the populace.

If you have ever played any FPS at all it is already far too late for a tinfoil hat. We are talking direct transmission straight to the cerebellum. You are a goner. I am so sorry.

need to have age restrictions on games, or just make dust for pc

No the analogy is that if you want people to reduce carbon emissions to reduce climate change by driving a hybrd car thats boring and lame only the activists will care. Whereas if you gave everyone a fun car (such as the Tesla which is a high end electric sports car and everyone is driving it then the end goal takes care of itself.

In other words if the gameplay is boring as heck like a basic hybrid nobody will ever care about PC and the metagame except the fanbois whereas if the gameplay and mechanics are amazing and fun like a tesla roadster then people even more people will make their way to PC and the metagame.

Yup he's an idiot, but even a patient FPS player will get to the same point this reviewer is at.

I am just saying the guy came across as if someone forced him to play the game at gunpoint.

Time for the defense force to verbally abuse some random guy on YouTube about his opinion on video game!

The evolution of DUST's political landscape is more important than its evolution as a quality FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWrdO9X_WIM

Ah the sweet blueberry ignorance! Loving it.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!! He's now removed the video!

Regardless of what you fanboys have to say this kid raises some legitimate issues.

This is just backwards. Without the quality FPS portion, there is no reason to play the game. If you wanted to play politics, there is Eve, which already allows you to do that, in much better and more fitting scale.

If the game cannot stand on its own as an FPS, then it is a failure.

This is just backwards. Without the quality FPS portion, there is no reason to play the game. If you wanted to play politics, there is Eve, which already allows you to do that, in much better and more fitting scale.

If the game cannot stand on its own as an FPS, then it is a failure.

So where's my PS3 version of EVE with a ground combat simulation instead of space combat?

Because that's what I signed up for with DUST.

And if you actually read my WHOLE POST instead of just the one line you picked out to answer, you'll notice that I'm not saying the FPS elements are unimportant. The problems definitely need work - and lots of it.

The portion I quoted, the portion that mattered is about the meta game being more important than the actual game. That point got quoted and responded to because it is a remarkably bad idea.

If the FPS portion of the game is not sorted out in this next build(which it REALLY should have been done before it went to open beta), then the game will slowly descend into a small community of diehard loyalists throwing money at the wall to take points on a star map.

So maybe you want to play political intrique with less than 5000 other people in a crappy FPS, but if that is what you signed up for, I really hope you don't get it.

Only if that's ALL they are.

DUST is part of New Eden.

EVE Online has spaceships, and space battles, but the REAL game is the political and financial aspect. Those elements are only in their infancy in DUST, but I'm enjoying what we're already seeing - even without a player market (yet). The evolution of DUST's political landscape is more important than its evolution as a quality FPS.

Not to say that there isn't a lot of work to do, or negate the fact that the FPS side of things is NEEDED for the game to succeed, but there's more than just FPS here. That's why I'm still around.

Is there a reason you're wilfully ignoring the fact that I'm blatantly saying YES THE FPS GAME ELEMENTS ARE IMPORTANT TOO? Or have you just somehow not seen that part of any of my posts?

Again, just to be as clear as possible.

NO, THE METAGAME CAN'T STAND ON ITS OWN. YES, THE FPS GAMEPLAY IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. YES THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ONGOING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. NO I DON'T THINK THE DEVS SHOULD STOP WORKING ON THAT.

Am I clear enough on that yet? Good.

Calm down there buddy. Your sequence of events of how this went down is skewed.

1. You made a stupid post about the meta being more important than the actual game.

2. I called this out as a hilariously bad idea.

3. You responded by saying that you had said that the FPS parts were important. (This does not change your original statement, nor does it impact what I quoted)

4. I restated that the FPS portion must take priority.

5. You yell and scream.

Stop being a little kid. people can see things differently than you, no need to throw a fit. This is almost as dumb as your whole "there are no P2W items in the market" garbage.

We could have a discussion about how the expectations of the community are so disparate that it might not be possible for this game to be anything other than a niche product. Or we could have a discussion on the manner in which one can present the meta game to new recruits to get them involved in the long term future of the franchise. We could even hold discourse on how prevalent the meta game needs to be in Dust, and how much it should impact random mercs.

Or you can keep being childish, and we can go down that route. You choose the type of response you get.

He removed the video. He must feel stupid.

And this is why Dust will fail, nobody is going to care about the political landscape if the engine driving it (the fps experience dust side) isnt worthwhile.

Like i said give ppl a Tesla roadster to drive and the rest falls in place.

In other words make the FPS experience tight and fun and it will drive players to the metagame becauase thats where the most competitive of FPS players will go creating a wide and consistent pool of talent to recruit and/or merc.

That's the thing, New Eden is a different culture and landscape with a mindset that is completely different from that of other cultures/landscapes. In a handful of games they tend to be tailored to players of the lowest common denominator (self-entitled scrubs). In New Eden, you are thrown into a harsh world where every screw up you make will stick with you until you biomass your character. Keep in mind that New Eden has been running strong for 10 years with a vibrant economy that is controlled almost entirely by players, scams and ponzi schemes that can be compared to real-world equivalents, and intricate spy networks that can make the CIA and KGB jealous.

Also, you're wrong that nobody will care because there are a number of us who do. We may be few in numbers compared to other big-hit titles like CoD and Halo, but we are the one who will make the future bright for Dust just like how the few capsuleers from Eve's early beta period stuck around and helped forge a game that is so successful that Guild Wars 2 tried (but failed) to emulate Eve's economy while others like Perpetuum Online tried to completely copy Eve Online (notice the similarities with the menu and overview?).

Us "few" mercs who stay dedicated to Dust will, with the help of Eve Online players, will help the game improve for the next 10 years just like how Eve has during it's past 10 years.

I agree with you and a lot of players here that Dust is not perfect and is in fact crap by current standards. But then again, so was Eve Online when it was first released. When Eve first came out, many players predicted that it will fail horribly very quickly. Those doomsayers even went as far as saying that the company will probably shut down or that the game's cut-throat nature will be its downfall. 10 years later, Eve is still around and much stronger than ever with it's own player-elected representatives which Dust players will have as well. In fact, according to Forbes.com, Eve Online is currently one of the rare few games out there that has maintained a steady climb of subscriptions year after year in an era where Free-to-Play and Microtransactions are dominating the market.

That to me is a sign that the Eve community is a strong and powerful community. And since that community is now working in conjunction with the Dust community, I doubt Dust will fail in the next 5 years at least.

There is an old saying in New Eden.

Never underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden. If you play Eve Online, you will know this all too well.

Link to where I said that? And make sure it's the (nonexistent) time where I never admitted I was wrong after someone provided evidence to contradict me?

Amazing and inspiring words.

@Gunner

I didn't say anything about YouTube. I was talking about what the doomsayers were saying on the Eve forums early on. I remember the old days when YouTube use to be owned by a different company other than Google and I was just graduating from high school 10 years ago. Man those were the days.

Overall I still believe Dust will improve. It just needs a strong community to back it up. And since we will definitely have representation via the Council of Planetary Management soon, we can be sure that Dust will improve in the years to come.

If you think I'm overly optimistic, that's fine. I don't care. I got sick and tired of looking at the glass as half empty anyways.

I know you didnt say anything about youtube but the point of these forums is to make sure CCP is hear the critiques. The it will get better eventually and its a beta tagline doesn't hold water if people stop playing (i know you didnt say that but its a common enough phrase to iterate what you are saying about long term and being optimistic).

Not sure about you but we know when players last login, and im sure CCP has all that player trend data. And i dont know whos on the CPM but if all the CPM becomes is another circle jerk that talks about the future development of Dust in terms of content it will be a bust, content is irrelevant if the experience isn't worthwhile.

I play enough of the metagame and enjoy that i can play dust without actually loggin on, in fact i enjoy it more not because its better but because playing dust is excruitiatingly worse. But ive always been a RPG guy as much as a shooter guy so for me it wasn't going to be hard to retain me, nor is it going to be hard to retain you. As you said you have already sold yourself on this game on the longterm. Thats great, but CCP needs to stop catering to me and you in the short term they need to prioritize the core FPS gameplay or it will result in player dropout and will result in large new player turnover.

New players are willing to put up with a grind if the grind is actually fun but if it isn't they wont give a damn about much else even more so with FPS players. Your optimism confounds the issue only because that only reinforces in CCPs mind that they are okay in their development approach and cycle and dont need to make any course corrections, forget the true fanbois i wont name or shame any of them but the point is they aren't going anywhere anytime soon regardless but if you think for a second PC will be the magic bullet that solves all of CCPs problems or the metagame is the answer to player retention or new player acquistion on a CONSOLE then your optimism is misplaced.

The point about youtube is that there is no more NDA players will continue to produce footage and with no skilled players around to make the game look and feel entertaining it becomes an uphill battle for marketing to attract new players.

I don't want this to devolve into the Maggot/EVEtard fights from closed beta but seriously wake up the difference b/w EVE and DUST are large in terms of its development.

EVE had no other competition it was the only real space ship MMO during its time vs DUST which has plenty of competition.

EVE was developed on PC where people are more patient and inherently more forgiving, this is console land the players are fickle and competition is fierce.

You want to redefine the genre of a shooters you do it by making sure that the shooter itself is amazing to play then you add in the persistence, the economy, the metagame and everything else.

It's about priorities and its been almost a year and none of the problems i have mentioned have been solved thats a huge problem. Moreover unreal 3 becomes an issue if they cant update to UR 4 or Carbon into the future, and the engine isn't the problem FYI many games that have run Unreal 3 run better than this game does now.

The difference is that EVE is a true MMO capable of allowing for large groups play together, also there are entities that can get new players into fighting shape in a matter of weeks and involved into the metagame quickly.This game however is an FPS and new players wont be able to get into PC environment where the "real" game is being fought and find any measure of success that will be tangible because they will simply outgeared and more the most part outskilled and zerging will never work, even in 256 v 256 if the maps are large enough it wont work because tactics and shooting skills will prevail if it actually works,(unless you prefer dice rolls in a shooter).

Its nice that you think the FPS is a minigame but guess what districts dont flip if ppl dont want to fight and people dont want to play an FPS that is boring and has no reliability. If you think that its sufficient and people will stick around to pew pew in a subpar experience you dont understand console FPS, moreover that is how people will view this game sorry when you log on and play the "minigame" you are playing an FPS.

Now if the goal is to simply drive out competitive FPS and the players that follow it then yea proceed to carry on but if you think that console side it will attract enough MMO players to the fold and play PC i think you underestimate market trends and demographics of console players.


Also 10 years ago youtube and twitch were not remotely prevalent as they are today. You honestly think people get excited to play this game, clearly you didn't participate during the escapistmagazine event where trying to get the streamers to have fun with the actual gameplay vs the community of players that were making the experience entertaining is telling.

The majority of players log on because of the social nature of the game and this i agree will help drive the game but if you can get that same social experience in a game that simply functions better that is where people will go and there are IP's in the work that will offer the persistence and large scale FPS and MMO and you honestly think that that game will be the less successful IP on console?


Don't get it mistaken i want this game to succeed it's why im still here and keep loggin back in. But if you don't make that "minigame" more enjoyable you simply aren't getting the numbers to make Dust viable long term, but im sure every EVE player will buy a PS3/4 to play this expansion right?