I am just saying the guy came across as if someone forced him to play the game at gunpoint.

Time for the defense force to verbally abuse some random guy on YouTube about his opinion on video game!

The evolution of DUST's political landscape is more important than its evolution as a quality FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWrdO9X_WIM

Ah the sweet blueberry ignorance! Loving it.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!! He's now removed the video!

Regardless of what you fanboys have to say this kid raises some legitimate issues.

This is just backwards. Without the quality FPS portion, there is no reason to play the game. If you wanted to play politics, there is Eve, which already allows you to do that, in much better and more fitting scale.

If the game cannot stand on its own as an FPS, then it is a failure.

This is just backwards. Without the quality FPS portion, there is no reason to play the game. If you wanted to play politics, there is Eve, which already allows you to do that, in much better and more fitting scale.

If the game cannot stand on its own as an FPS, then it is a failure.

So where's my PS3 version of EVE with a ground combat simulation instead of space combat?

Because that's what I signed up for with DUST.

And if you actually read my WHOLE POST instead of just the one line you picked out to answer, you'll notice that I'm not saying the FPS elements are unimportant. The problems definitely need work - and lots of it.

The portion I quoted, the portion that mattered is about the meta game being more important than the actual game. That point got quoted and responded to because it is a remarkably bad idea.

If the FPS portion of the game is not sorted out in this next build(which it REALLY should have been done before it went to open beta), then the game will slowly descend into a small community of diehard loyalists throwing money at the wall to take points on a star map.

So maybe you want to play political intrique with less than 5000 other people in a crappy FPS, but if that is what you signed up for, I really hope you don't get it.

Only if that's ALL they are.

DUST is part of New Eden.

EVE Online has spaceships, and space battles, but the REAL game is the political and financial aspect. Those elements are only in their infancy in DUST, but I'm enjoying what we're already seeing - even without a player market (yet). The evolution of DUST's political landscape is more important than its evolution as a quality FPS.

Not to say that there isn't a lot of work to do, or negate the fact that the FPS side of things is NEEDED for the game to succeed, but there's more than just FPS here. That's why I'm still around.

Is there a reason you're wilfully ignoring the fact that I'm blatantly saying YES THE FPS GAME ELEMENTS ARE IMPORTANT TOO? Or have you just somehow not seen that part of any of my posts?

Again, just to be as clear as possible.

NO, THE METAGAME CAN'T STAND ON ITS OWN. YES, THE FPS GAMEPLAY IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. YES THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ONGOING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. NO I DON'T THINK THE DEVS SHOULD STOP WORKING ON THAT.

Am I clear enough on that yet? Good.

Calm down there buddy. Your sequence of events of how this went down is skewed.

1. You made a stupid post about the meta being more important than the actual game.

2. I called this out as a hilariously bad idea.

3. You responded by saying that you had said that the FPS parts were important. (This does not change your original statement, nor does it impact what I quoted)

4. I restated that the FPS portion must take priority.

5. You yell and scream.

Stop being a little kid. people can see things differently than you, no need to throw a fit. This is almost as dumb as your whole "there are no P2W items in the market" garbage.

We could have a discussion about how the expectations of the community are so disparate that it might not be possible for this game to be anything other than a niche product. Or we could have a discussion on the manner in which one can present the meta game to new recruits to get them involved in the long term future of the franchise. We could even hold discourse on how prevalent the meta game needs to be in Dust, and how much it should impact random mercs.

Or you can keep being childish, and we can go down that route. You choose the type of response you get.

He removed the video. He must feel stupid.

And this is why Dust will fail, nobody is going to care about the political landscape if the engine driving it (the fps experience dust side) isnt worthwhile.

Like i said give ppl a Tesla roadster to drive and the rest falls in place.

In other words make the FPS experience tight and fun and it will drive players to the metagame becauase thats where the most competitive of FPS players will go creating a wide and consistent pool of talent to recruit and/or merc.

That's the thing, New Eden is a different culture and landscape with a mindset that is completely different from that of other cultures/landscapes. In a handful of games they tend to be tailored to players of the lowest common denominator (self-entitled scrubs). In New Eden, you are thrown into a harsh world where every screw up you make will stick with you until you biomass your character. Keep in mind that New Eden has been running strong for 10 years with a vibrant economy that is controlled almost entirely by players, scams and ponzi schemes that can be compared to real-world equivalents, and intricate spy networks that can make the CIA and KGB jealous.

Also, you're wrong that nobody will care because there are a number of us who do. We may be few in numbers compared to other big-hit titles like CoD and Halo, but we are the one who will make the future bright for Dust just like how the few capsuleers from Eve's early beta period stuck around and helped forge a game that is so successful that Guild Wars 2 tried (but failed) to emulate Eve's economy while others like Perpetuum Online tried to completely copy Eve Online (notice the similarities with the menu and overview?).

Us "few" mercs who stay dedicated to Dust will, with the help of Eve Online players, will help the game improve for the next 10 years just like how Eve has during it's past 10 years.

I agree with you and a lot of players here that Dust is not perfect and is in fact crap by current standards. But then again, so was Eve Online when it was first released. When Eve first came out, many players predicted that it will fail horribly very quickly. Those doomsayers even went as far as saying that the company will probably shut down or that the game's cut-throat nature will be its downfall. 10 years later, Eve is still around and much stronger than ever with it's own player-elected representatives which Dust players will have as well. In fact, according to Forbes.com, Eve Online is currently one of the rare few games out there that has maintained a steady climb of subscriptions year after year in an era where Free-to-Play and Microtransactions are dominating the market.

That to me is a sign that the Eve community is a strong and powerful community. And since that community is now working in conjunction with the Dust community, I doubt Dust will fail in the next 5 years at least.

There is an old saying in New Eden.

Never underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden. If you play Eve Online, you will know this all too well.

Link to where I said that? And make sure it's the (nonexistent) time where I never admitted I was wrong after someone provided evidence to contradict me?

Amazing and inspiring words.