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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.04.11 12:54:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
The evolution of DUST's political landscape is more important than its evolution as a quality FPS.
This is just backwards. Without the quality FPS portion, there is no reason to play the game. If you wanted to play politics, there is Eve, which already allows you to do that, in much better and more fitting scale.
If the game cannot stand on its own as an FPS, then it is a failure.
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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:48:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
So where's my PS3 version of EVE with a ground combat simulation instead of space combat?
Because that's what I signed up for with DUST.
And if you actually read my WHOLE POST instead of just the one line you picked out to answer, you'll notice that I'm not saying the FPS elements are unimportant. The problems definitely need work - and lots of it.
The portion I quoted, the portion that mattered is about the meta game being more important than the actual game. That point got quoted and responded to because it is a remarkably bad idea.
If the FPS portion of the game is not sorted out in this next build(which it REALLY should have been done before it went to open beta), then the game will slowly descend into a small community of diehard loyalists throwing money at the wall to take points on a star map.
So maybe you want to play political intrique with less than 5000 other people in a crappy FPS, but if that is what you signed up for, I really hope you don't get it.
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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:55:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Is there a reason you're wilfully ignoring the fact that I'm blatantly saying YES THE FPS GAME ELEMENTS ARE IMPORTANT TOO? Or have you just somehow not seen that part of any of my posts?
Again, just to be as clear as possible.
NO, THE METAGAME CAN'T STAND ON ITS OWN. YES, THE FPS GAMEPLAY IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. YES THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ONGOING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. NO I DON'T THINK THE DEVS SHOULD STOP WORKING ON THAT.
Am I clear enough on that yet? Good.
Calm down there buddy. Your sequence of events of how this went down is skewed.
1. You made a stupid post about the meta being more important than the actual game.
2. I called this out as a hilariously bad idea.
3. You responded by saying that you had said that the FPS parts were important. (This does not change your original statement, nor does it impact what I quoted)
4. I restated that the FPS portion must take priority.
5. You yell and scream.
Stop being a little kid. people can see things differently than you, no need to throw a fit. This is almost as dumb as your whole "there are no P2W items in the market" garbage.
We could have a discussion about how the expectations of the community are so disparate that it might not be possible for this game to be anything other than a niche product. Or we could have a discussion on the manner in which one can present the meta game to new recruits to get them involved in the long term future of the franchise. We could even hold discourse on how prevalent the meta game needs to be in Dust, and how much it should impact random mercs.
Or you can keep being childish, and we can go down that route. You choose the type of response you get.
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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:15:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:Stop being a little kid. people can see things differently than you, no need to throw a fit. This is almost as dumb as your whole "there are no P2W items in the market" garbage. Link to where I said that? And make sure it's the (nonexistent) time where I never admitted I was wrong after someone provided evidence to contradict me?
Sorry, been smoking all morning, I need to stop skimming threads. You actually agree with me on the whole reduced fittings aur items are P2W, you just have a different view on if they are fixing them or adding more. They re-added the complex light damage modifier BTW, P2W is on the rise. My error on the misquote. Apologies.
As to the rest, it seems we have very different views on where Dust needs to go to be successful, and what it needs to do in the mean time.
Although I agree with you on a lot of points regarding the tie ins between the games, and the overarching meta functions of both, I believe that the development focus must remain absolutely committed on getting the actual shooter game right if CCP ever wants or needs to have something resembling a large playerbase. Especially since the economics of Eve are so far from being connected. Economic warfare in Dust right now is simple: Whoever can grind the most matches with the most players has the most isk. Without trade, there is no economic war possible. Won't be for awhile.
It could very well be that CCP is banking on a small group of die hard loyalists throwing cash onto this B like Oprah on a glazed ham. In which case this game is dead before the PS4 hits. It will be a tiny, closed off little game that new players will not give a second shot after they realize they are excluded from the "real" game by months of necessary grinding to get to a competitive SP level.
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