@Gunner

I didn't say anything about YouTube. I was talking about what the doomsayers were saying on the Eve forums early on. I remember the old days when YouTube use to be owned by a different company other than Google and I was just graduating from high school 10 years ago. Man those were the days.

Overall I still believe Dust will improve. It just needs a strong community to back it up. And since we will definitely have representation via the Council of Planetary Management soon, we can be sure that Dust will improve in the years to come.

If you think I'm overly optimistic, that's fine. I don't care. I got sick and tired of looking at the glass as half empty anyways.

I know you didnt say anything about youtube but the point of these forums is to make sure CCP is hear the critiques. The it will get better eventually and its a beta tagline doesn't hold water if people stop playing (i know you didnt say that but its a common enough phrase to iterate what you are saying about long term and being optimistic).

Not sure about you but we know when players last login, and im sure CCP has all that player trend data. And i dont know whos on the CPM but if all the CPM becomes is another circle jerk that talks about the future development of Dust in terms of content it will be a bust, content is irrelevant if the experience isn't worthwhile.

I play enough of the metagame and enjoy that i can play dust without actually loggin on, in fact i enjoy it more not because its better but because playing dust is excruitiatingly worse. But ive always been a RPG guy as much as a shooter guy so for me it wasn't going to be hard to retain me, nor is it going to be hard to retain you. As you said you have already sold yourself on this game on the longterm. Thats great, but CCP needs to stop catering to me and you in the short term they need to prioritize the core FPS gameplay or it will result in player dropout and will result in large new player turnover.

New players are willing to put up with a grind if the grind is actually fun but if it isn't they wont give a damn about much else even more so with FPS players. Your optimism confounds the issue only because that only reinforces in CCPs mind that they are okay in their development approach and cycle and dont need to make any course corrections, forget the true fanbois i wont name or shame any of them but the point is they aren't going anywhere anytime soon regardless but if you think for a second PC will be the magic bullet that solves all of CCPs problems or the metagame is the answer to player retention or new player acquistion on a CONSOLE then your optimism is misplaced.

The point about youtube is that there is no more NDA players will continue to produce footage and with no skilled players around to make the game look and feel entertaining it becomes an uphill battle for marketing to attract new players.

I don't want this to devolve into the Maggot/EVEtard fights from closed beta but seriously wake up the difference b/w EVE and DUST are large in terms of its development.

EVE had no other competition it was the only real space ship MMO during its time vs DUST which has plenty of competition.

EVE was developed on PC where people are more patient and inherently more forgiving, this is console land the players are fickle and competition is fierce.

You want to redefine the genre of a shooters you do it by making sure that the shooter itself is amazing to play then you add in the persistence, the economy, the metagame and everything else.

It's about priorities and its been almost a year and none of the problems i have mentioned have been solved thats a huge problem. Moreover unreal 3 becomes an issue if they cant update to UR 4 or Carbon into the future, and the engine isn't the problem FYI many games that have run Unreal 3 run better than this game does now.

The difference is that EVE is a true MMO capable of allowing for large groups play together, also there are entities that can get new players into fighting shape in a matter of weeks and involved into the metagame quickly.This game however is an FPS and new players wont be able to get into PC environment where the "real" game is being fought and find any measure of success that will be tangible because they will simply outgeared and more the most part outskilled and zerging will never work, even in 256 v 256 if the maps are large enough it wont work because tactics and shooting skills will prevail if it actually works,(unless you prefer dice rolls in a shooter).

Its nice that you think the FPS is a minigame but guess what districts dont flip if ppl dont want to fight and people dont want to play an FPS that is boring and has no reliability. If you think that its sufficient and people will stick around to pew pew in a subpar experience you dont understand console FPS, moreover that is how people will view this game sorry when you log on and play the "minigame" you are playing an FPS.

Now if the goal is to simply drive out competitive FPS and the players that follow it then yea proceed to carry on but if you think that console side it will attract enough MMO players to the fold and play PC i think you underestimate market trends and demographics of console players.


Also 10 years ago youtube and twitch were not remotely prevalent as they are today. You honestly think people get excited to play this game, clearly you didn't participate during the escapistmagazine event where trying to get the streamers to have fun with the actual gameplay vs the community of players that were making the experience entertaining is telling.

The majority of players log on because of the social nature of the game and this i agree will help drive the game but if you can get that same social experience in a game that simply functions better that is where people will go and there are IP's in the work that will offer the persistence and large scale FPS and MMO and you honestly think that that game will be the less successful IP on console?


Don't get it mistaken i want this game to succeed it's why im still here and keep loggin back in. But if you don't make that "minigame" more enjoyable you simply aren't getting the numbers to make Dust viable long term, but im sure every EVE player will buy a PS3/4 to play this expansion right?