Hey guys, I will leave a word here.
I don't know what it means, but I feel like it should help.
"Secondary"

its just pretty absurd that in your optimal range you're at a disadvantage vs an ar in terms of damage and accuracy, yet they cost the same in terms of fitting.. riiight...

whys it have a primary weapons fitting cost?

The SMG is good for one thing, ripping off the rest of your enemies armor when your main weapon is out of ammo/needs reload and they are close to death.

Other than that, it is pretty much useless. If I am running a suit that has no anti-infantry main, I will rock a scrambler instead of a SMG for my method of self-preservation. It's not ideal by a long shot, but gives me a better chance to actually kill somebody, or severely hurt them. Even the most basic scrambler with a headshot is something fierce against solid suits, just requires good aim or random luck. But I'll take my odds over using a SMG as a main defense.

duvolle ar 90/13 34.1 x 750rpm= 25575/60 =426.25dps
ishukone asmg 68/11 23.1 1052.6rpm= 24315.06/60 =405.251dps
the skills effect spread and kick the same way. if anything the ar is getting a better bonus do to it's starting accuracy.

yeah. they're good, but idk about that fitting cost and how an ar outdamages them in smg optimals. idk. it's just odd.

Bottom line SMG is a secondary weapon.

I plan on skilling into it after the reset. I think the fact you can compare it to the AR is pretty damn good to be honest.

smg > scrambler pistol by far

duvolle ar 90/13 34.1 x 750rpm= 25575/60 =426.25dps
ishukone asmg 68/11 23.1 1052.6rpm= 24315.06/60 =405.251dps
the skills effect spread and kick the same way. if anything the ar is getting a better bonus do to it's starting accuracy.

yeah. they're good, but idk about that fitting cost and how an ar outdamages them in smg optimals. idk. it's just odd.

probably have better luck spamming a scrambler pistol at an ar guys face point blank than using an smg... and the damn pistols have longer range and better fitting. i dunno.. i use to swear by smgs.

As a scout, I have learned to fear scrambler pistols

PRO SMG against armor 441.72359
PRO AR against armor 383.625

Flux Grenades

Edit: Right, shields
AR = 468.875
SMG = 380.93594

If they had AR range, they'd actually make a decent main weapon. I'd bump shield damage to 95% though, just saying.

you gotta take into consideration the spread and range man.
i dunno.. its just a gimped assault rifle. i guess that's what ccp wants, i dunno if that's what i really need.
i mean sure itll tear people a new ahole with worse gear but on equal footing the things at a disadvantage in its optimal vs an ar. not much point, just gonna spec scramblers instead.

i dunno if giving them range is the answer.
i mean atm if an ar and a smg stand point blank next to each other and unload the ar wins. if every bullet hits each other that ar guys gonna win. that doesnt make sense to me.

the spread is much less noticeable at level three sharpshooter plus smg opp

There are two errors with your logic.

Fallacy #1: You are assuming every bullet hits the target.
Fallacy #2: You are assuming the damage output is continuous rather than discrete.

I've used the SMG for a long time and seem to win most up close encounters with AR users. Since we're both jumping around neither of us are landing 100% of our shots, but since I have a higher rate of fire I am landing more. And if it gets to the point where we are both low on health, he has to wait much longer for the bullet to fire.

And at the end of the day it is a secondary, as mentioned numerous times.

i wouldn't say a thing if the fitting cost didn't make me wonder if i was fitting an ar on.

Why must sidearms have very low fitting costs? The fact is you can fit it in a S slot.

From a heavies perspective......... stats ...... yea right.

Skilled heavies at Close range with an smg ... boss.

Those late to the party. Hellllo!

Back to the OP the real questions is are you a good shot or a pray and spray sort?

Bottom line SMG is a secondary weapon.

I plan on skilling into it after the reset. I think the fact you can compare it to the AR is pretty damn good to be honest.

m209 smg 22hp dmg 1052.6rpm
gek ar------ 32.5hp dmg 750 rpm

pretty simple.

23157.2 smg / 60 =385.95 dps
24375 ar / 60 =406.25 dps

m209 51 accuracy rating 42 cpu 7 pg
gek 56.6 accuracy rating 47 cpu 6 pg

okay.

Assault Rifle 110%shield 90%armor
SMG 94%shield 109%armor

just gonna leave this here. leave your thoughts.. im speccing out of smgs once we get our sp back tho.

you forgot to add
SMG optimal range 15m
AR optimal range 35m

without sharpshooter skills you deal 20% less damage with SMGs at 20m

The SMG is good for one thing, ripping off the rest of your enemies armor when your main weapon is out of ammo/needs reload and they are close to death.

Other than that, it is pretty much useless. If I am running a suit that has no anti-infantry main, I will rock a scrambler instead of a SMG for my method of self-preservation. It's not ideal by a long shot, but gives me a better chance to actually kill somebody, or severely hurt them. Even the most basic scrambler with a headshot is something fierce against solid suits, just requires good aim or random luck. But I'll take my odds over using a SMG as a main defense.

Hey guys, I will leave a word here.
I don't know what it means, but I feel like it should help.
"Secondary"

smg > scrambler pistol by far

smg > scrambler pistol by far

Hey guys, I will leave a word here.
I don't know what it means, but I feel like it should help.
"Secondary"

28-0 with and Ishukone. Ty.

28-0 with and Ishukone. Ty.

the low accuracy of the SMG is very noticeable. at 20m the spread makes you miss alot of projectiles.

They should rename the current SMG's to machine pistols and give us 'real' SMG's

Your surprised an 'assault weapon' does more damage then a 'sub machine gun'? If you look at it like that then the smg is going to lose to almost every weapon.

28-0 with and Ishukone. Ty.

If you're hip-firing, yeah. I can consistently headshot with my SMG by using the sights at 20m, and out-dps a less-skilled AR user.