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Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
0
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Posted - 2013.04.06 17:42:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:By the way, OP, if you think this is an exploit, then you will definitely go raging mad once you hear that your corp got robbed of all of it's assets and ISK while CCP does nothing but congratulate the thieves. So untrue, in order to get robbed your corp has to grant access to the thief, a poor choice can result in a poor outcome. Having an EVE toon that is a CEO of a corp as well as a leader of a small Alliance I fully know the player choices you make have consequences, CCP put the AWOXer on my team not me, big big difference.
Never been robbed because I have a choice as to who has access to corp stuff, welcome to New Eden where your actions should have both results and consequences .... think they call it the "Butterfly Effect". |
Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
0
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Posted - 2013.04.06 17:49:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Let me guess- you were redline sniping, and someone purposely teamkilled you for being useless. Or someone stole your sweetroll. If I hadn't taken an arrow to the knee I am sure I could have come up with a snappy response to you pithy remark but nonetheless guess again my friend you are completely wrong! But I applaud your self indulgent imagination. |
VulvaOfTheYeast
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:42:00 -
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So how can you Team Kill now?
Grenades and Vehicular Homicide use to work, but they were fixed.
The more poeple who use this exploit, the more who will be aggravated by it, and complain to CCP to fix it. |
Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves
49
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:45:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Let me guess- you were redline sniping, and someone purposely teamkilled you for being useless. Or someone stole your sweetroll. oh god, here we go Inb4anymorecrappyskyrimmemes
I used to team kill, until I took a LAV in the....Oh sorry. |
VulvaOfTheYeast
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:45:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Welcome to new eden.
Adapt or die.
Can i haz your stuff ? Welcome to the Forum Boards. Where the witless wonders roam and keep repeating the same old tired memes. Stay 14 forever, dude! |
VulvaOfTheYeast
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:49:00 -
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VulvaOfTheYeast wrote:So how can you Team Kill now?
Grenades and Vehicular Homicide use to work, but they were fixed. "I TK blue dot gunners as much as I can. If you ram into an LAV, there's an explosion. The blue dot gunners can't be damaged by bullets and other explosives, like swarms, but the LAV explosion is big enough to kill them. If you want to kill the front gunner, make sure you ram into a LAV with the front right corner of your tank. The top gunner is a bit harder to kill. You have to back into a LAV going full speed.
It's also a good way to kill stupid blue dot LAV drivers. Nine out of times the enemy will blow up the blue dot LAV, and they'll frequently kill blue dots along with it. You're helping your team and yourself by denying the enemy of the free warpoints. Less orbitals on your tank is always a good thing."
Ah.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1062
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:50:00 -
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Casius Hakoke wrote:gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Let me guess- you were redline sniping, and someone purposely teamkilled you for being useless. Or someone stole your sweetroll. oh god, here we go Inb4anymorecrappyskyrimmemes I used to team kill, until I took a LAV in the....Oh sorry. I saw that coming from a mile away but managed to restrain myself from using it. |
Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves
49
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:51:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Casius Hakoke wrote:gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Let me guess- you were redline sniping, and someone purposely teamkilled you for being useless. Or someone stole your sweetroll. oh god, here we go Inb4anymorecrappyskyrimmemes I used to team kill, until I took a LAV in the....Oh sorry. I saw that coming from a mile away but managed to restrain myself from using it.
I could not restrain myself, your post put it in my mind as soon as I saw it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1916
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:56:00 -
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Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:By the way, OP, if you think this is an exploit, then you will definitely go raging mad once you hear that your corp got robbed of all of it's assets and ISK while CCP does nothing but congratulate the thieves. So untrue, in order to get robbed your corp has to grant access to the thief, a poor choice can result in a poor outcome. Having an EVE toon that is a CEO of a corp as well as a leader of a small Alliance I fully know the player choices you make have consequences, CCP put the AWOXer on my team not me, big big difference. Never been robbed because I have a choice as to who has access to corp stuff, welcome to New Eden where your actions should have both results and consequences .... think they call it the "Butterfly Effect".
You look like a very intelligent player. That said, you probably already realize that even your closest Eve pals can become traitors overnight. It's all part of the meta game of building trust and then exploiting that trust. Take this as an example:
Once Upon A Time...
There was a massive alliance during the early years of Eve Online called Band of Brothers. They controlled so much of the economy and chunks of null sec that they had practically a monopoly on things. One day a director who was within the innermost circle of trusted members and who has powerful connections and access to key roles became disgruntled. He got in touch with an alliance known as Goonswarm Federation (a fledgling alliance at the time) who were already building up one of the most elaborate spy networks in New Eden history. Later on, when the time was ripe, that director took most of the ISK, Assets, and even went so far as to literally disband the entire Band of Brothers alliance within a single day. Territories became opened to the enemies of BoB and the CEOs and remaining directors were scrambling to do damage control (too little too late).
The event made such an uproar that players demanded CCP to undo such treachery and that no one player should have that much power. But CCP responded by saying "Sorry, no rules were broken. It stays as is."
Think about it. One man who was among the most trusted in all of New Eden's most powerful alliance became a spy and traitor overnight. If that can happen to such a powerful group, it will happen to your corp one day. |
Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
0
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:By the way, OP, if you think this is an exploit, then you will definitely go raging mad once you hear that your corp got robbed of all of it's assets and ISK while CCP does nothing but congratulate the thieves. So untrue, in order to get robbed your corp has to grant access to the thief, a poor choice can result in a poor outcome. Having an EVE toon that is a CEO of a corp as well as a leader of a small Alliance I fully know the player choices you make have consequences, CCP put the AWOXer on my team not me, big big difference. Never been robbed because I have a choice as to who has access to corp stuff, welcome to New Eden where your actions should have both results and consequences .... think they call it the "Butterfly Effect". You look like a very intelligent player. That said, you probably already realize that even your closest Eve pals can become traitors overnight. It's all part of the meta game of building trust and then exploiting that trust. Take this as an example: Once Upon A Time... There was a massive alliance during the early years of Eve Online called Band of Brothers. They controlled so much of the economy and chunks of null sec that they had practically a monopoly on things. One day a director who was within the innermost circle of trusted members and who has powerful connections and access to key roles became disgruntled. He got in touch with an alliance known as Goonswarm Federation (a fledgling alliance at the time) who were already building up one of the most elaborate spy networks in New Eden history. Later on, when the time was ripe, that director took most of the ISK, Assets, and even went so far as to literally disband the entire Band of Brothers alliance within a single day. Territories became opened to the enemies of BoB and the CEOs and remaining directors were scrambling to do damage control (too little too late). The event made such an uproar that players demanded CCP to undo such treachery and that no one player should have that much power. But CCP responded by saying "Sorry, no rules were broken. It stays as is." Think about it. One man who was among the most trusted in all of New Eden's most powerful alliance became a spy and traitor overnight. If that can happen to such a powerful group, it will happen to your corp one day. When that happens, and human nature indicates it is indeed when and not if, it will be because of a choice I made. I'll be pissed but such is the nature of EVE gameplay.
A simple fix like not allowing vehicular homicide blue on blue to occur for the first 2 minutes of initially entering a battle would solve this. Perhaps a "Retribution" like criminal timer should result after a blue on blue kill, right now no risk for the killers, if they become red to both sides I suspect their like for ganking will subside. Then they could have a taste of the blue sniper rifles they so despise.
As far as player choice is concerned, I check the team composition now and will not battle with II on my team, I also keep track of who the idiots are and don't team up with them once their actions have proven who they are.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1062
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:16:00 -
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Casius Hakoke wrote:gbghg wrote:Casius Hakoke wrote:gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Let me guess- you were redline sniping, and someone purposely teamkilled you for being useless. Or someone stole your sweetroll. oh god, here we go Inb4anymorecrappyskyrimmemes I used to team kill, until I took a LAV in the....Oh sorry. I saw that coming from a mile away but managed to restrain myself from using it. I could not restrain myself, your post put it in my mind as soon as I saw it. I don't blame you, I was half way through writing the same thing you did when i thought to myself " I have more class than this" and I went for the inb4 instead. |
Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves
50
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:20:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I don't blame you, I was half way through writing the same thing you did when i thought to myself " I have more class than this" and I went for the inb4 instead.
Ya, I don't have more class. But in my defense I did look at your post and this thread in general 4 times at least before I broke down and posted it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1062
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:23:00 -
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Casius Hakoke wrote:gbghg wrote:I don't blame you, I was half way through writing the same thing you did when i thought to myself " I have more class than this" and I went for the inb4 instead. Ya, I don't have more class. But in my defense I did look at your post and this thread in general 4 times at least before I broke down and posted it. As I said, I don't blame you, as soon as the sweetrolls came up it was gonna happen |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1919
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Posted - 2013.04.06 19:40:00 -
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Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:By the way, OP, if you think this is an exploit, then you will definitely go raging mad once you hear that your corp got robbed of all of it's assets and ISK while CCP does nothing but congratulate the thieves. So untrue, in order to get robbed your corp has to grant access to the thief, a poor choice can result in a poor outcome. Having an EVE toon that is a CEO of a corp as well as a leader of a small Alliance I fully know the player choices you make have consequences, CCP put the AWOXer on my team not me, big big difference. Never been robbed because I have a choice as to who has access to corp stuff, welcome to New Eden where your actions should have both results and consequences .... think they call it the "Butterfly Effect". You look like a very intelligent player. That said, you probably already realize that even your closest Eve pals can become traitors overnight. It's all part of the meta game of building trust and then exploiting that trust. Take this as an example: Once Upon A Time... There was a massive alliance during the early years of Eve Online called Band of Brothers. They controlled so much of the economy and chunks of null sec that they had practically a monopoly on things. One day a director who was within the innermost circle of trusted members and who has powerful connections and access to key roles became disgruntled. He got in touch with an alliance known as Goonswarm Federation (a fledgling alliance at the time) who were already building up one of the most elaborate spy networks in New Eden history. Later on, when the time was ripe, that director took most of the ISK, Assets, and even went so far as to literally disband the entire Band of Brothers alliance within a single day. Territories became opened to the enemies of BoB and the CEOs and remaining directors were scrambling to do damage control (too little too late). The event made such an uproar that players demanded CCP to undo such treachery and that no one player should have that much power. But CCP responded by saying "Sorry, no rules were broken. It stays as is." Think about it. One man who was among the most trusted in all of New Eden's most powerful alliance became a spy and traitor overnight. If that can happen to such a powerful group, it will happen to your corp one day. When that happens, and human nature indicates it is indeed when and not if, it will be because of a choice I made. I'll be pissed but such is the nature of EVE gameplay. A simple fix like not allowing vehicular homicide blue on blue to occur for the first 2 minutes of initially entering a battle would solve this. Perhaps a "Retribution" like criminal timer should result after a blue on blue kill, right now no risk for the killers, if they become red to both sides I suspect their like for ganking will subside. Then they could have a taste of the blue sniper rifles they so despise. As far as player choice is concerned, I check the team composition now and will not battle with II on my team, I also keep track of who the idiots are and don't team up with them once their actions have proven who they are.
FINALLY!!! Someone who accepts the concept of living with permanent consequences so that choices can be meaningful. May your clones stay up to date, sir. |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
6
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Posted - 2013.04.06 20:33:00 -
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When people start being douches to their own team, I like to fire pop shots at them and watch them dive for cover like headless chickens.
I can't hurt them, and a switched on cookie should know it's friendly fire, but it's priceless when you get one that runs for the hills!
Last night, for example:
I was perched directly on top of an objective, the enemy storms it, one makes it through and starts hacking.
Sniper next to me stares blankly down his scope.
So I jump down, SMG the enemy to about 1/4 of armor left and get my back doors smashed in.
All the while this sniper is staring down his scope...
I respawn and this random douche has re-hacked objective and returned to the perch...
I made it my mission that match to fire pop shots near him to make him believe he was being counter sniped...
It was a bit douchey of me, but people like that drive me face palm crazy! |
DustMercsBlog
Galactic News Network
25
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Posted - 2013.04.06 20:51:00 -
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A Kick or Forgive option after a TK resolves this. It also stays true to the lore as malfunctioning clones were disabled in Templar One. Autokick should be automatic after three friendly kills.
-100 SP is also a deterrent as is a hefty fine from CONCORD at the end of the game [10-50M ISK] a small portion of it going to reimburse the victim for lost gear. Turning off FF has done nothing, players will find a way to TK if they like. CCP has to implement consequences. |
Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
1
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Posted - 2013.04.06 21:02:00 -
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DustMercsBlog wrote:A Kick or Forgive option after a TK resolves this. It also stays true to the lore as malfunctioning clones were disabled in Templar One. Autokick should be automatic after three friendly kills.
-100 SP is also a deterrent as is a hefty fine from CONCORD at the end of the game [10-50M ISK] a small portion of it going to reimburse the victim for lost gear. Turning off FF has done nothing, players will find a way to TK if they like. CCP has to implement consequences. Like you I read Templar One, I have read the other EVE books as well, no consequences for this type of activity makes no sense at all. Imagine how it will impact new player retention if his own teammates run him over and his guns have no effect on them. I wonder how many will continue to play, let alone invest Aurum to make micro-transactions? This is a thing that needs to be fixed not banned, I am not against ganking .... look at my corp name lol .... but I am willing to take the sec hits and consequences that come with it .... why so many tears about that? |
Icy TIG3R
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2013.04.06 21:10:00 -
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Ok 100 k ISK penalty? Is that fine? Also, post the stats into the leaderboards. :) |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
880
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:By the way, OP, if you think this is an exploit, then you will definitely go raging mad once you hear that your corp got robbed of all of it's assets and ISK while CCP does nothing but congratulate the thieves. So untrue, in order to get robbed your corp has to grant access to the thief, a poor choice can result in a poor outcome. Having an EVE toon that is a CEO of a corp as well as a leader of a small Alliance I fully know the player choices you make have consequences, CCP put the AWOXer on my team not me, big big difference. Never been robbed because I have a choice as to who has access to corp stuff, welcome to New Eden where your actions should have both results and consequences .... think they call it the "Butterfly Effect". You look like a very intelligent player. That said, you probably already realize that even your closest Eve pals can become traitors overnight. It's all part of the meta game of building trust and then exploiting that trust. Take this as an example: Once Upon A Time... There was a massive alliance during the early years of Eve Online called Band of Brothers. They controlled so much of the economy and chunks of null sec that they had practically a monopoly on things. One day a director who was within the innermost circle of trusted members and who has powerful connections and access to key roles became disgruntled. He got in touch with an alliance known as Goonswarm Federation (a fledgling alliance at the time) who were already building up one of the most elaborate spy networks in New Eden history. Later on, when the time was ripe, that director took most of the ISK, Assets, and even went so far as to literally disband the entire Band of Brothers alliance within a single day. Territories became opened to the enemies of BoB and the CEOs and remaining directors were scrambling to do damage control (too little too late). The event made such an uproar that players demanded CCP to undo such treachery and that no one player should have that much power. But CCP responded by saying "Sorry, no rules were broken. It stays as is." Think about it. One man who was among the most trusted in all of New Eden's most powerful alliance became a spy and traitor overnight. If that can happen to such a powerful group, it will happen to your corp one day.
You should do your homework more, Goonswarm was not a fledgeling alliance at the time, we'd already kicked BoB out of Delve thanks. |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
6
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:25:00 -
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I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end... |
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.04.06 23:32:00 -
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Temba Fusrodah wrote:Being killed by your team mates during a battle is something that should not happen.
Said no one at CCP. |
Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
1
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:46:00 -
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Chojine Dentetsu wrote:I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end...
LOL first rule of espionage .... don't tell anyone that is what your primary interest is! |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1927
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Posted - 2013.04.07 02:43:00 -
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Temba Fusrodah wrote:Chojine Dentetsu wrote:I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end... LOL first rule of espionage .... don't tell anyone that is what your primary interest is!
I don't think he was talking about himself. |
Temba Fusrodah
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
1
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Posted - 2013.04.07 03:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Temba Fusrodah wrote:Chojine Dentetsu wrote:I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end... LOL first rule of espionage .... don't tell anyone that is what your primary interest is! I don't think he was talking about himself. Perhaps.... that is what you think .... any chance you might be wrong? lol the insufferable arrogance of ego, always entertaining. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:38:00 -
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Never been awoxed.
Though I do play the game, and don't stand around AFK usually.
So... don't be AFK? |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
6
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:16:00 -
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Temba Fusrodah wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Temba Fusrodah wrote:Chojine Dentetsu wrote:I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end... LOL first rule of espionage .... don't tell anyone that is what your primary interest is! I don't think he was talking about himself. Perhaps.... that is what you think .... any chance you might be wrong? lol the insufferable arrogance of ego, always entertaining.
I was not talking about myself, I have hardly the motivation to plan or pull off such a feat.
I tip my metaphoric hat to those who do, though. |
The Medic Droid
The Phoenix Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:00:00 -
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I was killed by a blue in an LAV earlier today. It angered my two heavy companions more than it did me; I was more surprised and amused than anything else.
I'm not sure if this is really an issue, it doesn't happen to me all that often. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
882
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:06:00 -
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Chojine Dentetsu wrote:I'm looking forward to all the spying / deep game mechanics and what not, it is that aspect of game play that places the New Eden universe atop the pinnacle of gaming experiences, imho.
At the moment, I keep reading about how EVE players are planning how to capitalize on Dust's assimilation into EVE.
I am hoping that somewhere along the way, us Dust bunnies turn the tables, one economy to rule them all, right? :)
You can topple a line of dominoes from either end...
We're going to attack Jita again at the end of the month. Last year it got in the news on multiple gaming sites.
Its the same as AWOXING in Dust really, we get killed for it but have a blast and upset a lot of people. |
dustibulo
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:07:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Welcome to new Eden
Confirming that in other games there are no team-killers. |
Philipp Achtel
Immobile Infantry
32
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Posted - 2013.04.07 13:14:00 -
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DustMercsBlog wrote:A Kick or Forgive option after a TK resolves this. It also stays true to the lore as malfunctioning clones were disabled in Templar One. Autokick should be automatic after three friendly kills.
-100 SP is also a deterrent as is a hefty fine from CONCORD at the end of the game [10-50M ISK] a small portion of it going to reimburse the victim for lost gear. Turning off FF has done nothing, players will find a way to TK if they like. CCP has to implement consequences.
There will always be those to whom the concept of vigilante justice is offensive. They will demand that the police apprehend the dangerous "criminals" because they are easy to hate.
But think hard, sir, before you advocate their destruction. It's the vigilantes, not the police, that stand between you and an endless tide of AFK farmers and other red-line cowards. |
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