One game mode very EVE-like but very dangerous on a console.

Not all modes need to tie into PC, let's keep in mind that some corps/individuals are pure mercs...If they can't accept contracts to attack a facility, steal stuff, capture a station or invade a Titan (I know, I know) something is wrong.

I'm concerned with PC a great deal but not providing alternatives for the less organized players is a bad idea. Maybe they can't commit to a full campaign but providing them contracts to "do a variety of different stuff" can be a good thing.

Some mercs don't want to manage huge corporations or take SOV, making their only other alternative Skirmish/Ambush is FAIL.

Hopefully PVE will offer even more stuff to do but modes are necessary IMO.

You know that Dust is still in BETA right?

Dust is awesome. Wait till the beta is over and I'm sure your option will change completely and if not you don't have to stick around.

Dust is the first game of its kind so of course its not going to be all smooth sailing from the beginning. That's why we give feedback.

Didnt CCP state somewhere the system where corps can contract to fight each other (current FW setup) was coming back as just a setup match between corps without FW influence and other stuff? Cause i feel like I read that somewhere.

1. Planetary Conquest is just bad and ccp should feel bad.

2. NO Player trading or market (lot of good loot will do - not to mention selling aurum items for isk to kill p2w arguement)

3. Only corp battles will be in PC (no grudge matches, tourneys, practice scrims, training set ups)

4. No reason for EvE pilots to care (sorry but POS stuff is lame because we will come blow your **** up aka you are a target, get griefed by beers)

5. No pve so noobs have something to do besides get farmed.


Thats mine, whats yours?

1. flawed you say? why not be specific and lets us discuss the how and why of the mechanics. You think ccp and more specifically ccp foxfour would have been so engaging with the community if PC was super awesome already? Would ccp foxfour would be offering up more incentives to attack if he didn't know the economic realities of PC as it is. GOML or go fanboi somewhere else.

2. Dust like eve will never be finished. Your reasoning is ****. I want MTACs too but its not a core feature of the game and i accept that. EvE is epic because it has a disposable economy with a player market. CCP should have been able to put the basics of this in by full release. Not even asking for dust/eve economic integration, just the basics.

3. Queue syncing for corp battles is your solution? really? maybe ccp should hire you could help them build mag 2.

4. I'm an eve pilot and trust me when i say if your corp has POS's in lowsec expect it to get bashed by my EvE peeps. Not for any PC reason but just to grief you and those like you.

5. The reason i loathe the idea of no pve is that fact that is can and should be used as a way to "actively" farm districts you control. NOT relying on this passive clone idea that is part of whats broken in nullsec. the elite players will still be in pubs stomping every one next build. The reason is simple even if you fight 1 district battle a day you still need to grind sp and isk. Corp battles are isk sinks as ccp intended them to be.

come at me bro your forum pvp is weak

I will be afking in mcc like i always do. The only reason i even log in is to get sp. CCP has been able to hide behind the fact that its "still" in beta. Once it goes "full release" (even if we have been paying for a beta after they said we wouldn't) they can't hide if the game is bad.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY!?! Im really getting tired of the "Its a beta" excuse. Dear god, you people at this point should have a better excuse.

not in the next build.

so? whats your point? its coming at some point, so not a big deal.

1. Your argument against the current mechanics has been a blatant excuse to propose an alternative which directly contradicts your proclaimed goal. You say you want to reduce the "blue donut" effect then suggest things which can ONLY reinforce the kind of behaviour you're claiming you want to avoid. Of all the suggested methods for PC to work, the best system for avoiding the problems you claim to want CCP to avoid is the system they're suggesting, not anything you or the other forum warriors here have been promoting yourselves with.

2. Sorry, "finished" was probably the wrong wording. "Ready for release" would have been better. The next build isn't a release build.

3. Point 2 ties in here. Yes, I'm suggesting queue-syncing - IN A MODE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO PICK SIDES (or did you forget that part of the announcement?) - by finding an empty battle and filling it with Corp squads, one Corp to each side.

4. And griefing is part of the fun. Just like when I run a level 10 character on the PVP server in DCUO. I don't see the problem.

5. So you dislike that a pre-release build doesn't have a feature intended for release day because it only encourages a partial withdrawal of pubstomping players instead of the total elimination of the problem that will never happen anyway no matter what CCP do? Seems legit.

Admittedly, as much as Free Beers doesn't have much of a point, this thread is a complaint about things he wishes we had in the next build, NOT features that are meant to be in the game by release.

Problem is that he, like many others, is assuming (without a reliable basis on which to make the assumption, and with plenty of implied evidence to the contrary) that Uprising is the release build. Apart from that huge unsupported leap of fail logic, claiming that a future feature will negate a complaint about next build is about as well-founded as claiming that 0.8 = 1.0 like Beers is.

Sometimes, people throw "it's a beta" at legitimate problems as a rationalisation for the problem not to matter.

That isn't happening here.

Here, people are throwing "DUST isn't ready for release" claims about and "it's a beta" is a perfectly valid response to those totally pointless complaints.

1. Planetary Conquest is just bad and ccp should feel bad.

2. NO Player trading or market (lot of good loot will do - not to mention selling aurum items for isk to kill p2w arguement)

3. Only corp battles will be in PC (no grudge matches, tourneys, practice scrims, training set ups)

4. No reason for EvE pilots to care (sorry but POS stuff is lame because we will come blow your **** up aka you are a target, get griefed by beers)

5. No pve so noobs have something to do besides get farmed.


Thats mine, whats yours?

Everyone in the Dust universe - "WE WANT PC!"

Beers - "PC?! **** that! Give me everything else, AND make it perfect before the games even halfway as good as EVE!

You make some valid points. But isn't 1 on 1 trading coming next build?

You miss understand. I am saying our only new real game feature is PC and is broke before we get it. There are other features that we should be getting but we aren't.

ccp uses beta when we ask why we dont have X or why Z doesn't work. Yet, its a commercial release so they can take our aurum. I have no issue with my aurum not being refunded, I have received fair value for it. Still the question is "what am I paying for then" if this is all we are getting in our bi annual build.

I'm still waiting for public source saying next build isn't the "full release" of dust. Everything I read from a public stand point has said it was full release.

Also if the may release isn't full release then we are still waiting 3-6 months for another release. next build we get revisions of existing features. We get like 5 maps with dynamic socket structures for pubs and FW. FW is a squad based combat system with LP involved. We get a very basic PC that is very flawed and still is intended to be an isk sink in dust (when its hard to grind isk let a lone sp).

So yea thats it. After 6 months of waiting and almost a year of "just wait for it" from ccp

Good stuff here. Lot's of passion. The fact that even the people going "CCP sucks and this all sucks" are not simply wandering off and playing COD or something means that they see the potential. They want this game to rock. And it will. Possibly not with Uprising though.

Some things to keep in mind about CCP's other game releases:
Eve Online's first Post-Beta release, called Second Genesis:
Had no Tech 2 ships
Had no Conquest system at all
Had no player conquerable structures
PVE missions were limited to level 1 (now there are 5)
5000 systems with 1 station apiece (now much bigger, much denser)

Conquerable stations were added 6 months after release, along with Tech 2 blueprints
Sovereignty was added a year later, along with battlecruisers and mining barges and formal alliances
Cap ships were introduced a year after that, and carriers and Titans 8 months later.

All in all there have been 16 free expansions in 10 years.

Hopefully we can all agree on this:
Uprising will expand on (hopefully improve) the build we're currently playing
Uprising will NOT contain all of the features we want, individually or collectively
End of Beta or no, six to eight months later, there will be another upgrade, and then another, and another, for a long time.

There are features that I'm still waiting on in Eve (I want to own a club on Jita 4-4, kitten!). There are features I'm waiting for in Dust (plants, water, more than 4 maps!) But I'm willing to wait, because there's never going to be a Dust 2, just better and better and more and more for as long as New Eden has players.

Eve Online Expansions

We dont get in

-no market or trading (never seen an mmo that you cant trade in)
-no ability to grudge match (which a lot of corps use for training, teaching, testing of stuff, friendly/fun matches)
-no pve

My point is we're not getting this in Uprising. We're going to get it. It's coming. I want it too. I want all that stuff. More maps, more depth, markets, alliances, corp tools, social spaces, station conquest. Hell I want quick matches to actually take place in tranquility instead and be visible from orbit instead of who-knows-where.

If you are an Eve junky, then you know that there will be more releases, and that they'll address the issues above in them.

The point of the Open Beta was not new functionality. It wasn't new maps, new weapons, or new gameplay. The point of the open beta was to let a million players loose in New Eden with assault rifles and see what shook loose. How big a draw distance can we get away with? How many players per match? How many concurrent matches? What happens when we hook up to TQ and there's a massive fleet battle in the same system? How many market transactions, chat channels, voice conversations can the system handle. How do we get the engine better? How can have textures and assets that can be downloaded from the web in a reasonable time when the game loads and still load fast and look good in game? Is hit detection really broken? Are tanks really OP? Making the maps small and reducing variability allowed devs to eliminate variables and zero in on problems. It forced high-intensity matches to maximize load. Limiting the suits to one of each type allowed the devs to refine the roles. Basically, the devs have been using the beta period to refine the core gameplay: boots in the dust shooting at each other, linked in real-time to a universe populated by half a million players who get very very bitchy when their gameplay is disrupted. That has gotten better over the last year. Less glitches, less bugs. Less honestly OP builds. Better hit detection.

Once the beta is over, the floodgates on the content that the core gameplay powers can open. Starting with Uprising, and continuing from there.

BTW I'm a huge fan of your books

The balancing and "beta purpurse" are easly done un 3 months of consistant testing yet we get 6 months per update.Hell for a fps You could balance under month in a half if you really work the shaft.


And relating to "we will get our features... in time"


Whats the timeframe for that 6+years?

AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FO DAT!

Obviously you've never been part of game development, or even followed it.

It takes a month for patches. It takes six if you're releasing major content. Some games take a year+ to release an expansion.