PC is just bad and CCP should feel bad?

LOL

Lost interest after reading that.

I honestly can't say it is a disappointment because I have not played it.

Do I wish I had all the things now that CCP has mentioned they want in the game, yea, sure, of course I do.

I agree that Beers usually has good/constructive ideas and is so passionate because he cares and wants CCP and Dust to succeed, but I fail to see how this post is useful and/or achieves that goal.

If you have any understanding of eve and nullsec mechanics you would see ccp is simply repeating the same mistakes in dust sov.

The current PC design is broke. Why? it's way to expensive to attack and the only way increase the reward is via clones. Thus rewarding passive clone farming even more for those groups that dont fight. I can do the math for you but I can't make you understand it. I will try harder next time, sorry.

One thing I'd like to know...

Will CCP eventually go to a bi-monthly type update for game content. Not major expansions, I'm thinking more along the lines of Map Packs.

The lack of different maps so far is disappointing. How much work would it require to install 10 maps every 2 months?

I must have missed all the "math" in the original post of yours. All I read was the benign and overtly narrowly-focused assessment of "PC is bad and CCP should feel bad."

Sorry if I like my arguments to be a little bit more productive in terms of their assessment and portrayal of an opinion.

3. Only corp battles will be in PC (no grudge matches, tourneys, practice scrims, training set ups)

I must have missed all the "math" in the original post of yours. All I read was the benign and overtly narrowly-focused assessment of "PC is bad and CCP should feel bad."

Sorry if I like my arguments to be a little bit more productive in terms of their assessment and portrayal of an opinion.

The game was never meant to be about smaller FPS mechanics, like corp battles. The current system is just a sideshow and I'm looking forward to it being retired. PC could use work and improvements (per the description given by the devs) but it should really be the one-and-only mode (with the assumption that PC will expand to include PvE, shipboard battles, etc.).

Here is the thread where I used real data from real 8v8 corp battles that I and other corps were involved in. Now project these numbers to 16 vs 16 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63845

Here is the dev blog and threadnaught regarding PC and SOV. You will notice that ccp foxfour is trying really hard to find a way to make attacking rewarding. Given that clones are used for both fighting/isk generate its hard to fine one. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63760&find=unread

Here is the thread where CCP foxfour looks for new ways to reward attacking
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63845

Here is the thread I discuss the mechanics in https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66524

glad i could help further your education

Op should rename this thread to

'5 opinions i pulled outta my ass'

1 is my opinion and if you read the above post where I Include links to back it up.

2 - 5 are facts that ccp already have told us will not be in the next "full release" build.

my forum pvp is strong so dont bring your weak **** into my thread unless you want to be slap'd down

Dust needs more then 1 thing to do.

I am focused on PC myself. I fully support the idea that there needs to be hisec pubs, FW, PVE, and PC/SOV. CCP can learn from zipper in the fact that they never gave mag real clan battles. Its already functionality that exists in game. Tweak it and put it in. CCP has had 6 months to work on this build.

Dust needs more then 1 thing to do.

I am focused on PC myself. I fully support the idea that there needs to be hisec pubs, FW, PVE, and PC/SOV. CCP can learn from zipper in the fact that they never gave mag real clan battles. Its already functionality that exists in game. Tweak it and put it in. CCP has had 6 months to work on this build.

Points 2, 4 and 5 were never expected in this build

3 is easy, fight over a district you dont care about or just attack each other anyways for the lulz

Also FW is getting added so noobs can just do what they want anyways, corps will at least do PC and maybe FW, normal matches might be clear for once

Where have we said that?

Not to sound like a fool, but I dislike shorthand -- what does PC stand for in this instance? It's not Personal Computer.

I had posted earlier about the broadcasted blood-sport/arena battles, which is where corp battles might ultimately find a home within the larger frame of PC. For example, what if your corp purchased several of the battlegrounds and hosted the 8v8 contests (not morally objectionable due to consciousness migration), reaping the rewards from viewership of the spectacle as it's broadcast to mercs, capsuleers, and the citizenry of a particular system? Combatants could fight for individual fame and sponsorship in the same way that current athletes do. Companies might pay for their services, although battlefield (as opposed to arena) effectiveness would be much reduced as a function of the higher player counts and less structured combat environment. That to me would be a compelling and lore-worthy reason for retaining CBs. What I like about Dust is that it is essentially a PC game on a console. Their scope and vision would suggest a niche market, but the F2P model ensures they get plenty of exposure. MAG's Shadow War fell apart and the only thing that made sense besides meaningless pubs was CBs. Dust, as yet, is in no such predicament. I hope they keep their focus on their unique vision without feeling the need to make concessions to be like other FPS'.

In summation, I'd support other modes as subsets of PC as long as they are overshadowed by the parent mode (if they start to become more popular and the focus shifts then limitations need to be introduced to refocus the community on the bread-and-butter) and it makes sense within the Eve canon.

Planetary conquest aka district to be controlled and fought over in corp battles by dust mercs.

One game mode very EVE-like but very dangerous on a console.

Not all modes need to tie into PC, let's keep in mind that some corps/individuals are pure mercs...If they can't accept contracts to attack a facility, steal stuff, capture a station or invade a Titan (I know, I know) something is wrong.

I'm concerned with PC a great deal but not providing alternatives for the less organized players is a bad idea. Maybe they can't commit to a full campaign but providing them contracts to "do a variety of different stuff" can be a good thing.

Some mercs don't want to manage huge corporations or take SOV, making their only other alternative Skirmish/Ambush is FAIL.

Hopefully PVE will offer even more stuff to do but modes are necessary IMO.

1. Planetary Conquest is just bad and ccp should feel bad.

2. NO Player trading or market (lot of good loot will do - not to mention selling aurum items for isk to kill p2w arguement)

3. Only corp battles will be in PC (no grudge matches, tourneys, practice scrims, training set ups)

4. No reason for EvE pilots to care (sorry but POS stuff is lame because we will come blow your **** up aka you are a target, get griefed by beers)

5. No pve so noobs have something to do besides get farmed.


Thats mine, whats yours?

Where have we said that?

I was really hoping that somehow "Uprising" would convince players not to latch onto preconceived notions and then doggedly defend them in the face of any and all evidence, views to the contrary, counter arguments, and that we would take a moment to step back, let the game play out for a few weeks, and then base our revised views of the game on actual observation.

1. Your argument on this matter is not only flawed and based on incomplete information, but relies on assumptions about the core mechanics of the system which have been directly contradicted by the official information available.

2. This is only a reason the game isn't finished yet, not a reason Uprising is disappointing.

3. There will be options to arrange queue-synced Corp Battles in FW as well.

4. Just because you can't see the reasons yourself, doesn't mean there aren't EVE pilots who care. I know of several who are looking forward to how Uprising turns out.

5. Until you realise that PC and FW will take a lot of the higher-end players out of the pubstomping pool - though not permanently/constantly. It's not going to eliminate Proto players from the pool entirely, but it should reduce their prevalence significantly. Many players with the skills to use Proto gear will avoid using it in pub matches because of the risk of losing something valuable for defending their territory in PC. Letting players use FW to create corp battles will make for a different Corp vs. Corp dynamic, and possibly get more DUST players interested and involved with EVE politics.

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Also, half your arguments supporting the claims of disappointment are relying on the unfounded and unsupported claim that this is going to be the release build. While there hasn't been an official announcement to the contrary, there's plenty of reason to expect otherwise.