Because they've released all the info on Uprising

You know that Dust is still in BETA right?

Dust is awesome. Wait till the beta is over and I'm sure your option will change completely and if not you don't have to stick around.

Dust is the first game of its kind so of course its not going to be all smooth sailing from the beginning. That's why we give feedback.

The games development speed is unaffected by your levels of disappointment.
CCP knows your not going anywhere beers,
they are doing this to spite you.

They get up in the morning and first thing they do is look at the beers disappointment levels whiteboard.

They then brainstorm for several hours how they can add more content you don't enjoy and focus on AUR items, and equipment packs.

Soon beers disappointment levels will be at a all time high.

The strategy goes like this
Stages
#1 Disappoint and antagonize beers
#2 ?
#3 PROFIT!

Where have we said that?

PC is just bad and CCP should feel bad?

LOL

Lost interest after reading that.

I honestly can't say it is a disappointment because I have not played it.

Do I wish I had all the things now that CCP has mentioned they want in the game, yea, sure, of course I do.

I agree that Beers usually has good/constructive ideas and is so passionate because he cares and wants CCP and Dust to succeed, but I fail to see how this post is useful and/or achieves that goal.

I must have missed all the "math" in the original post of yours. All I read was the benign and overtly narrowly-focused assessment of "PC is bad and CCP should feel bad."

Sorry if I like my arguments to be a little bit more productive in terms of their assessment and portrayal of an opinion.

The game was never meant to be about smaller FPS mechanics, like corp battles. The current system is just a sideshow and I'm looking forward to it being retired. PC could use work and improvements (per the description given by the devs) but it should really be the one-and-only mode (with the assumption that PC will expand to include PvE, shipboard battles, etc.).

Op should rename this thread to

'5 opinions i pulled outta my ass'

Points 2, 4 and 5 were never expected in this build

3 is easy, fight over a district you dont care about or just attack each other anyways for the lulz

Also FW is getting added so noobs can just do what they want anyways, corps will at least do PC and maybe FW, normal matches might be clear for once

Not to sound like a fool, but I dislike shorthand -- what does PC stand for in this instance? It's not Personal Computer.

One game mode very EVE-like but very dangerous on a console.

Not all modes need to tie into PC, let's keep in mind that some corps/individuals are pure mercs...If they can't accept contracts to attack a facility, steal stuff, capture a station or invade a Titan (I know, I know) something is wrong.

I'm concerned with PC a great deal but not providing alternatives for the less organized players is a bad idea. Maybe they can't commit to a full campaign but providing them contracts to "do a variety of different stuff" can be a good thing.

Some mercs don't want to manage huge corporations or take SOV, making their only other alternative Skirmish/Ambush is FAIL.

Hopefully PVE will offer even more stuff to do but modes are necessary IMO.

1. Your argument on this matter is not only flawed and based on incomplete information, but relies on assumptions about the core mechanics of the system which have been directly contradicted by the official information available.

2. This is only a reason the game isn't finished yet, not a reason Uprising is disappointing.

3. There will be options to arrange queue-synced Corp Battles in FW as well.

4. Just because you can't see the reasons yourself, doesn't mean there aren't EVE pilots who care. I know of several who are looking forward to how Uprising turns out.

5. Until you realise that PC and FW will take a lot of the higher-end players out of the pubstomping pool - though not permanently/constantly. It's not going to eliminate Proto players from the pool entirely, but it should reduce their prevalence significantly. Many players with the skills to use Proto gear will avoid using it in pub matches because of the risk of losing something valuable for defending their territory in PC. Letting players use FW to create corp battles will make for a different Corp vs. Corp dynamic, and possibly get more DUST players interested and involved with EVE politics.

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Also, half your arguments supporting the claims of disappointment are relying on the unfounded and unsupported claim that this is going to be the release build. While there hasn't been an official announcement to the contrary, there's plenty of reason to expect otherwise.

Didnt CCP state somewhere the system where corps can contract to fight each other (current FW setup) was coming back as just a setup match between corps without FW influence and other stuff? Cause i feel like I read that somewhere.

1. Your argument against the current mechanics has been a blatant excuse to propose an alternative which directly contradicts your proclaimed goal. You say you want to reduce the "blue donut" effect then suggest things which can ONLY reinforce the kind of behaviour you're claiming you want to avoid. Of all the suggested methods for PC to work, the best system for avoiding the problems you claim to want CCP to avoid is the system they're suggesting, not anything you or the other forum warriors here have been promoting yourselves with.

2. Sorry, "finished" was probably the wrong wording. "Ready for release" would have been better. The next build isn't a release build.

3. Point 2 ties in here. Yes, I'm suggesting queue-syncing - IN A MODE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO PICK SIDES (or did you forget that part of the announcement?) - by finding an empty battle and filling it with Corp squads, one Corp to each side.

4. And griefing is part of the fun. Just like when I run a level 10 character on the PVP server in DCUO. I don't see the problem.

5. So you dislike that a pre-release build doesn't have a feature intended for release day because it only encourages a partial withdrawal of pubstomping players instead of the total elimination of the problem that will never happen anyway no matter what CCP do? Seems legit.

Admittedly, as much as Free Beers doesn't have much of a point, this thread is a complaint about things he wishes we had in the next build, NOT features that are meant to be in the game by release.

Problem is that he, like many others, is assuming (without a reliable basis on which to make the assumption, and with plenty of implied evidence to the contrary) that Uprising is the release build. Apart from that huge unsupported leap of fail logic, claiming that a future feature will negate a complaint about next build is about as well-founded as claiming that 0.8 = 1.0 like Beers is.

Everyone in the Dust universe - "WE WANT PC!"

Beers - "PC?! **** that! Give me everything else, AND make it perfect before the games even halfway as good as EVE!

You make some valid points. But isn't 1 on 1 trading coming next build?

Good stuff here. Lot's of passion. The fact that even the people going "CCP sucks and this all sucks" are not simply wandering off and playing COD or something means that they see the potential. They want this game to rock. And it will. Possibly not with Uprising though.

Some things to keep in mind about CCP's other game releases:
Eve Online's first Post-Beta release, called Second Genesis:
Had no Tech 2 ships
Had no Conquest system at all
Had no player conquerable structures
PVE missions were limited to level 1 (now there are 5)
5000 systems with 1 station apiece (now much bigger, much denser)

Conquerable stations were added 6 months after release, along with Tech 2 blueprints
Sovereignty was added a year later, along with battlecruisers and mining barges and formal alliances
Cap ships were introduced a year after that, and carriers and Titans 8 months later.

All in all there have been 16 free expansions in 10 years.

Hopefully we can all agree on this:
Uprising will expand on (hopefully improve) the build we're currently playing
Uprising will NOT contain all of the features we want, individually or collectively
End of Beta or no, six to eight months later, there will be another upgrade, and then another, and another, for a long time.

There are features that I'm still waiting on in Eve (I want to own a club on Jita 4-4, kitten!). There are features I'm waiting for in Dust (plants, water, more than 4 maps!) But I'm willing to wait, because there's never going to be a Dust 2, just better and better and more and more for as long as New Eden has players.

Eve Online Expansions

My point is we're not getting this in Uprising. We're going to get it. It's coming. I want it too. I want all that stuff. More maps, more depth, markets, alliances, corp tools, social spaces, station conquest. Hell I want quick matches to actually take place in tranquility instead and be visible from orbit instead of who-knows-where.

If you are an Eve junky, then you know that there will be more releases, and that they'll address the issues above in them.

The point of the Open Beta was not new functionality. It wasn't new maps, new weapons, or new gameplay. The point of the open beta was to let a million players loose in New Eden with assault rifles and see what shook loose. How big a draw distance can we get away with? How many players per match? How many concurrent matches? What happens when we hook up to TQ and there's a massive fleet battle in the same system? How many market transactions, chat channels, voice conversations can the system handle. How do we get the engine better? How can have textures and assets that can be downloaded from the web in a reasonable time when the game loads and still load fast and look good in game? Is hit detection really broken? Are tanks really OP? Making the maps small and reducing variability allowed devs to eliminate variables and zero in on problems. It forced high-intensity matches to maximize load. Limiting the suits to one of each type allowed the devs to refine the roles. Basically, the devs have been using the beta period to refine the core gameplay: boots in the dust shooting at each other, linked in real-time to a universe populated by half a million players who get very very bitchy when their gameplay is disrupted. That has gotten better over the last year. Less glitches, less bugs. Less honestly OP builds. Better hit detection.

Once the beta is over, the floodgates on the content that the core gameplay powers can open. Starting with Uprising, and continuing from there.

Before I agree or disagree with any of your points, I'd really like to see a source for this....

After 83 posts on the subject Beers I was starting to think you liked planetary conquest

It's great that there is so much passion for this game to be done properly and we thank you for sticking with us and seeing this through. As for the features you are after that (might) not be in the next build I can only restate that everything you listed is on our roadmap. It will be done when it gets done, and not a moment later. I've tried jumping up and down yelling "faster faster" but it doesn't seem to help. People just look at me funny.