DUST Search - people say if they add artillary

Delanus Turgias wrote:

Zekain Kade wrote:

Delanus Turgias wrote:

Zekain Kade wrote:

Delanus Turgias wrote:

I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like.

Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS.

Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it.

And yet, rail guns, and massdriver slugs are all affected by gravity/ bullet drop off.

We have lasers in real life too, they just aren't as deadly as the ones we use in game.

Rails in dust are not at all affected by gravity. They have travel time, yes. but still. And to you guys talking about physics, refer to the earlier thread about how the railguns in game can't possibly be 80GJ. But nevertheless, the work required would be insane to have the kind of range you want. You'd need a brand new UI unless you simply want to not aim at targets outside of LOS.

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Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 58	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote That will get rid of redline snipers...... All it will do is start redline artillery wars..... Just fix hit detection bugs and maybe add a max distance on sniper rifles.....not a massive decrease by make it where you cannot shoot from spawn to spawn........ Just speaking my mind
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1115	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote adding in jet fighters would stop redline sniping. You can't snipe if you have a fighter picking you off on a strafing run.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 214	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:08:00 - [3] - Quote Artillery wars are gonna be awesome, though. If I'm gonna get killed by something I can't see, I'd rather that it require a spotter and involve an explosion.
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 59	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:11:00 - [4] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Artillery wars are gonna be awesome, though. If I'm gonna get killed by something I can't see, I'd rather that it require a spotter and involve an explosion. IMO not interesting at all.....ooooo wow let's all sit miles away from each other and play battleship......boring
Nemo Bluntz Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:12:00 - [5] - Quote Just like in Battlefield 3 where everyone just sits around using artillery. There's absolutely no way to balance it out.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming 517	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:16:00 - [6] - Quote They are adding in artillery whether you like it or not. There's always going to be some way of cowardice tactics and there will be ways to counter them once WE ACTUALLY GET SOME CONTENT...you hear that CCP!?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:18:00 - [7] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: That will get rid of redline snipers...... All it will do is start redline artillery wars..... Just fix hit detection bugs and maybe add a max distance on sniper rifles.....not a massive decrease by make it where you cannot shoot from spawn to spawn........ Just speaking my mind while you can shoot spawn to spawn now, the maps will grow.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 116	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:36:00 - [8] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: All it will do is start redline artillery wars..... Is that not what Artillery is supposed to do? Shoot from inside their base and on to the battlefield?
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 87	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:46:00 - [9] - Quote I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like.
Vyzion Eyri The Legion Academy 375	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote Simple fix: implement a minimum range on artillery. Get a dropship or LAV to pull you inside that range with explosives, swarms and av nades, and you're good to go.

Yani Nabari One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 3	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:01:00 - [11] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: ... add a max distance on sniper rifles..... I thought sniper rifles already had a max range.
Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries 509	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:14:00 - [12] - Quote So it'll be like playing Battleship on a DUST battlefield? Why are you complaining?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 958	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:24:00 - [13] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. That's artillery in space, thus is artillery in atmosphere, battlefield style is how it's probably going to end up.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1116	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:24:00 - [14] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 88	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:29:00 - [15] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS. Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1116	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:33:00 - [16] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS. Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it. And yet, rail guns, and massdriver slugs are all affected by gravity/ bullet drop off. We have lasers in real life too, they just aren't as deadly as the ones we use in game.
Autist's Fury Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:34:00 - [17] - Quote So making a shell travel in a parabolic fashion is right out? Jezus, you got the dumb.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 328	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:37:00 - [18] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it. In effect you can use the mass driver system. Their projectiles are affected by gravity, so you can make it so that there's a larger version of a mass driver. Simple. With practice you can gauge how far away something is, and get the right elevation without needing to do trial and error. Funny how humans work, isn't it? Lasers can't travel through hills. Artillery can travel over. Hence, you can't use lasers to hit enemies hiding behind the hill, but you can use artillery for that same purpose. And as for the arty shell with next to no drop... One, you'd need wings for that, and that would be a rocket, rather than artillery. Artillery relies on propulsion from a gun, whereas rockets rely on propulsion right the way to the target. Well, you'd either need wings or very high speeds, and the very high speeds would only come from a railgun. Which won't happen. Artillery is lore-friendly, and the physics behind it pretty much dictates that it has to dip.
Yani Nabari One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 3	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:40:00 - [19] - Quote Hmm now that I think about it... wouldn't artillery be that guy you got in Eve waiting to get coord's for some orbital bombardment. Besides, we have enough people complaining about "rail-guns" as it is. We call the people wielding them Red-Line Snipers.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 89	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:41:00 - [20] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS. Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it. And yet, rail guns, and massdriver slugs are all affected by gravity/ bullet drop off. We have lasers in real life too, they just aren't as deadly as the ones we use in game. Rails in dust are not at all affected by gravity. They have travel time, yes. but still. And to you guys talking about physics, refer to the earlier thread about how the railguns in game can't possibly be 80GJ. But nevertheless, the work required would be insane to have the kind of range you want. You'd need a brand new UI unless you simply want to not aim at targets outside of LOS.

Gersh Raven beta Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 55	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:43:00 - [21] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Yes, in Eve each of the three gun types has a long range slow firing, and a short range fast firing variant. They are all direct fire weapons. Artillery is the long slow version of the Minmatar's projectile weapons. I think orbital bombardments are the Dust equivalent of real life artillery; you need a spotter to direct the strike. Having said that, I think it would be cool if there was a vehicle/emplacement version of the mass driver, with a ballistic arc that needs to be accounted for.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1116	Posted - 2013.03.31 23:47:00 - [22] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Gravity will have an affect on artillery in this game because we're on PLANETS. Who are you to make that decision? Do you have any idea the kind of work that would be required for BF3 style artillery? You'd need a whole new UI, a new method for targeting (because reticules wouldn't work for targets that aren't in LOS), and essentially a buttload more work. And really, if you think gravity would affect EvE artillery, you seem to be ignoring the fact that they have LASERS. If they can make lasers, they can make an arty shell with next to no drop on it. And yet, rail guns, and massdriver slugs are all affected by gravity/ bullet drop off. We have lasers in real life too, they just aren't as deadly as the ones we use in game. Rails in dust are not at all affected by gravity. They have travel time, yes. but still. And to you guys talking about physics, refer to the earlier thread about how the railguns in game can't possibly be 80GJ. But nevertheless, the work required would be insane to have the kind of range you want. You'd need a brand new UI unless you simply want to not aim at targets outside of LOS. So what. CCP sprinkled some uneeded lore on the rail guns. That really isn't a big deal. Railguns were once affected by bullet drop off, or gravity in the earlier builds. Get off your EVE high horse. You're fighting a plane, that planet has gravity. Artillery weapons are going to be affected by it, just like their life bros, the massdrivers. The only thing they need is a longer life span while traveling through the map. Having another rail gun like turret in this game would be redundant. The rail gun we have now can kill pretty much anything. We don't need another "type" of rail gun.
Charlotte O'Dell Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 82	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:34:00 - [23] - Quote yes we do or railgun snipers will be the top of the food chain forever.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1191	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:36:00 - [24] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Sure on eve everything shots in a sright line aswell. Doesnt matter if a station or asteroids are between you and the target.If i want a opinion from a Eve player about a FPS game then i could aswell ask a monkey both is bonkers and instantly neglected. Artillery how we know it are long range, indirect fire weapons with explosive effect on a large area. And that is how its going to work out. And we dont need another stright shoting weapon that does more damage then a railgun. Its allready 2-3 shots to destroy a maxed out sagaris/surya. We will get more stright shoting turrets like autocanons and laser turrets.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 328	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:43:00 - [25] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Projectile weapons also are able to change what kind of damage they deal. Hybrids are only able to deal thermal and kinetic - rails are most effective firing a mass without a payload, due to the inherent way a railgun works. Artillery allows a payload to be fired, for example sending a tactical nuke across the field, or an AV round (depleted uranium), or any other role you may think of. Railguns by their nature fire at ridiculous speeds - artillery (being a projectile weapon, dependent on some form of chemical propellant) is limited to lower speeds. This means they're affected by gravity. In space, there is very little gravitational influence, so arti and autocannon shells fire in straight lines.
Rifter7 Improvise. 174	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:45:00 - [26] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 958	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:54:00 - [27] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Railguns themselves are kinetic weapons so your point is?
Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries 510	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:16:00 - [28] - Quote gbghg wrote: Rifter7 wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I don't think you guys understand what artillery is in EvE terms. Arties are the Kinetic version of railguns and lasers, IE long range, long reload time, slow tracking. They're essentially Rails with higher Alpha and longer reload times, plus high PG usage. I highly doubt Arty will work like artillery in BF3 or whatever it is you think it'll work like. Railguns themselves are kinetic weapons so your point is? They're defined as 'Hybrid' in the EvE universe, meaning that they deal equal damage to shields and armor. I think this guy is referencing 'Projectile' weapons, which would be traditional cannons/powder based weaponry like the Minmatar SMG and HMG.
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:23:00 - [29] - Quote Yani Nabari wrote: Shadow Archeus wrote: ... add a max distance on sniper rifles..... I thought sniper rifles already had a max range. They do.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2302	Posted - 2013.04.01 02:18:00 - [30] - Quote As the person who suggested the "artillery counters Redline Sniper" idea, I should probably point out that I wasn't meaning full-scale artillery (which shouldn't be accurate enough). I was suggesting specifically an artillery variant of the Mass Driver. It would still be limited enough in range to be useless across most of the map from the redline, but you could get into position and rain fire down on a sniper from outside their LoS.



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