This will be interesting...
::Grabs Popcorn::

Meta game gold right here. I would like a list of who left as well. Because our records don't show anyone and its been hours.

Edit: actually 5 more just joined. (hmm I wonder if they were spies??? takes a big sip of beer) 3 applications were pending minutes prior to that battle. But I am leaving them until morning.

lesson learned watch your zeros. Worse has happened in NEW EDEN. This is pocket lint

Thank you for the donation, PRO. Same time tomorrow?

lesson learned watch your zeros. Worse has happened in NEW EDEN. This is pocket lint

You really should of been a publicist. You would of been great at it. It was really nice how you avoided the whole drunk rage your brother went on and only chose to comment on the fact that you corp had a net gain of 5 people for the night. The main problem isn't that your brother posted a corp match for too much money. The problem was what happened afterward. Stop covering for your brothers BS and realize he has a problem and get the guy some help. I mean the guy thinks everyone is out to get him including you!! You can try to smooth it over all you want but in the end you are just the one who enables him. NTM there are just too many witness (1600) to try and cover this one up.

Thank you for the donation, PRO. Same time tomorrow?

You all might want to know that the leader of Pro (Planetary Response Organization) ContraBanJoe is a Paranoid alcoholic. After making a giant mistake tonight (3/30/13) and putting a corp battle up for $600 mil ISK (he was drunk and put 2 extra zeros) Pink Fuffy took the battle and crushed their unprepared best of what was on (with minutes notice, and some noob member that would not leave the corp battle). Joe at first made it seem like it was all part of his master plan. Then when members started getting angry that he had lost so much cash, he started raging. In a drunken paranoid fit in his (very large) corp voice chat threatened to end PRO and start a new league, then he changed his mind and threatened to kick everyone without UVT. He then accused some of his leaders of being a spy. (Days earlier he mentioned he even thought his brother might be a spy.)
It was like hearing a drunken child with ADD, and paranoid schizophrenia, blaming anyone and anything else for the milk he had spilled. There are many witnesses to this and many ppl left PRO this night because of what happened. This man needs to check himself into rehab, before he takes PRO down with him.
Own your own mistakes Joe, and let your brother or someone else make the big decisions, because you sir are mentally unstable, and should not be driving a car never-mind running a corp with 1600+ members.

This is The Fat Bottom ***** and I'm out.

I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change.
I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes.
I mean really, am I the only one noticing that?

Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet.

We pulled together the best we could, but we were plagued with setbacks. Morale was fairly low going into the game and only decreased as it went on.

I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that.

I understand.
Now a question, were you guys the players from PRO Holdings?

Yes, albeit a very limited selection of them (plus the one kid who refused to leave). As I said, we were short at the time and would have fielded a very different team if everyone had been present. Personally, I probably would have been swapped out once we saw the map we were on if the situation was more under control.

talk about gettin funded for PC immediately
saved alot of ppl grinding ISK up LOL

Yes, albeit a very limited selection of them (plus the one kid who refused to leave). As I said, we were short at the time and would have fielded a very different team if everyone had been present. Personally, I probably would have been swapped out once we saw the map we were on if the situation was more under control.

Wow, just WOW.....

ContaBanJoe, who is known for being a paranoid, drunk finally does something that costs his clan; literally and figuratively by way of colossal blunder....and he gets a free pass?

No. No no no no no no no.

Anyone that is still in PRO after this clusterf*ck should be banned from playing in clans altogether because you obviously didn't have the common sense to join a good clan in the first place, and secondly, you're willing to put up with being involved with one of the most inept clan leaders I've ever seen in 12 plus years of online FPS gaming.

There is no "positive" spin to this. 630 million down the tubes? Pocket Lint? Really? Try to shluff it off all you like, but the fact remains that this is, and likely shall stand to be, the biggest blunder in DUST history and if the players of PRO are willing to put up with this, then what aren't they willing to put up with?

Have some self respect PRO members, step up in the world and join an NPC corp.

1600 members, each buying a ticket for 250,000 for a lottery.
Calculate the money.
Now think how much money we have since we had two of those + people buy more than a single ticket.
Now think how much money we will have once TAX exists.

Answer? About 630 Million less than you had before.

Seriously, this is like asking Enron or GE to write your environmental policy so stalwart of a keeper of the PRO pocketbook you guys are

And you omitted the second part where I said we couldn't care less because this isn't too big a hit for a corp our size.
Unlike yours where something like that would be devastating. (Before you got the 600mil from us of course)

And you omitted the part where something like this is beyond inexcusable from such a longstanding clan leader like CBJ. "Have a talk with him".....so I guess that means your either serving or buying.

And you omitted the second part where I said we couldn't care less because this isn't too big a hit for a corp our size. Unlike yours where something like that would be devastating. (Before you got the 600mil from us of course)

I dont see the big deal they put up the money you won.. k k GJ now ur loaded!!!! its not lie joe or any PRO came here whineing about it..




Just saying i would say TY an move on

And you omitted the second part where I said we couldn't care less because this isn't too big a hit for a corp our size.
Unlike yours where something like that would be devastating. (Before you got the 600mil from us of course)

Did this joke of a leader also go and have everyone thumbs down the video of the "embarrassing **** show" of a match(as the PXRXO member Severance Pay so eloquently put it)?

edit: oh look, 4 more dislikes in the time it took me to find the video and make the post!

edit2: oh my, 7 more since the last edit, znig actually took the time to upload this one in HD yet it's so poorly received!

LOL. I sadly hear the fall of PRO.

I dont see the big deal they put up the money you won.. k k GJ now ur loaded!!!! its not lie joe or any PRO came here whineing about it..




Just saying i would say TY an move on

This isn't about the money or the mistake this is about Joe going around blaming fictional spies, friends, and everyone else for his mistake. This is about Joe threatening to break up PRO and his general freak out in open corp chat.
If a normal person makes a mistake he tries to fix it. If he can't he says he is sorry, mans up, and takes responsibility for it. Not go around acting like a paranoid tyrant. Everyone knows he doesn't trust anyone not even his own GD brother. He sees imaginary spies everywhere.

That's like 6 upgrades, each costing 100m.
Yeah, not really.

DAMN 203 dislikes
PRO zergin dat vid yo

You all might want to know that the leader of Pro (Planetary Response Organization) ContraBanJoe is a Paranoid alcoholic. After making a giant mistake tonight (3/30/13) and putting a corp battle up for $600 mil ISK (he was drunk and put 2 extra zeros) Pink Fuffy took the battle and crushed their unprepared best of what was on (with minutes notice, and some noob member that would not leave the corp battle). Joe at first made it seem like it was all part of his master plan. Then when members started getting angry that he had lost so much cash, he started raging. In a drunken paranoid fit in his (very large) corp voice chat threatened to end PRO and start a new league, then he changed his mind and threatened to kick everyone without UVT. He then accused some of his leaders of being a spy. (Days earlier he mentioned he even thought his brother might be a spy.)
It was like hearing a drunken child with ADD, and paranoid schizophrenia, blaming anyone and anything else for the milk he had spilled. There are many witnesses to this and many ppl left PRO this night because of what happened. This man needs to check himself into rehab, before he takes PRO down with him.
Own your own mistakes Joe, and let your brother or someone else make the big decisions, because you sir are mentally unstable, and should not be driving a car never-mind running a corp with 1600+ members.

This is The Fat Bottom ***** and I'm out.

So the main reason as to why people wont leave PRO? Simply because most of PRO is geared towards casual gamers that dont give a f*ck and simply wants to play and have people to play with instead of waiting on squadding with people.

He was drunk.
People do stupid things when they're drunk.

I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change.
I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes.
I mean really, am I the only one noticing that?

Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet.

I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that.

1,600 x 250,000 = 400,000,000

Now that's assuming absolutely every one of those 1,600 entered your lottery. Well, with benefit of the doubt and a few doubles thrown in I'll say 450 mil is a good estimate.

You say you've done two of these lotteries? Well then that's 900 million ISK.

This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts.





BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC.

This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts.





BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC.

Given the situation, I did find the teabagging incredibly excessive and immature considering the conditions of the battle. Even in the wake of major blunders like these, PRO tries to uphold a level of maturity and professionalism in major battles, I don't think it is wrong to expect the same in return.

To their statements it's pocket change, I find that hard to believe. Joe even came back on IRC and said that he was going to have to fund the lotto out of his own pocket.

I don't know the exact structure of PRO financing, but it sounds like the Joe, and maybe other Directors have a policy of keeping ISK in their pocket instead of the Corporation. It shows basic distrust of the other leaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if all the ISK goes *poof* once the leadership decides it's not worth the effort to try and defend their districts.

It's a warning falling on deaf ears as I suspect 80% of PRO members are in the Corporation because they got in game mail, and have no idea these forums even exist.

So from what I understand the conflict is resolved?

Joe paid out his own pocket for it all?

There isn't a good excuse for what happened. PRO members need to shut up about it and move on. It embarrassing that you are in here trying to justify it. It was a mistake.

Although my wording wasn't exactly ideal in my post, I will say that the 300M was a fairly substantial hit to our corp wallet. Regardless, I can honestly say that it won't be a major issue regaining the lost ISK. As you may have seen from our many mass messages that have been posted on the forum by a "spy", our policy has always been against significant corporate donations. If necessary, we will be able to organize a drive to quickly restore our lost funds.

As for the issues in organizing for the battle, we had to deal with unauthorized players entering the battle, which is an issue in our corp and something that we normally have means of preventing (Holdings). Any 8 PFBH would have been able to fight effectively in a battle against PRO.

We were particularly mismatched against the group you deployed. If I'm not mistaken, you had a Sagaris, a laser, a dropship spotter, and the rest were Krin's/Duvolle Assault. We had a fragmented squad of what was supposed to be 2 Proto HMG Heavies, a Duvolle Assault, and one Proto Logistics, and a squad with a shield tank, 2 Duvolle Assault, and myself with a Proto Shotgun/RE Scout. The first squad was first broken up by the unauthorized player, then one of our best Heavies got disconnected just before the match started. I'm not blaming our loss on these setbacks, it would have been a loss even if we had deployed without issues. I will say that it would have gone very different if we had the resources to deploy a more effective team, we might have still lost, but we would have had a chance of winning.

Personally, I can't support the disliking of the video in terms of the outcome itself, it was a loss and a mistake. Given the situation, I did find the teabagging incredibly excessive and immature considering the conditions of the battle. Even in the wake of major blunders like these, PRO tries to uphold a level of maturity and professionalism in major battles, I don't think it is wrong to expect the same in return.

1600 members, each buying a ticket for 250,000 for a lottery.
Calculate the money.
Now think how much money we have since we had two of those + people buy more than a single ticket.
Now think how much money we will have once TAX exists.

Joe isn't free from this, I'm going to have a talk with him to try and see why this happened and help him make sure it doesn't happen again, but this isn't as big as a hit for a corp this size.

Care to get your PR machine on message please?

Just let it go. 600 mil is a big hit in eve, in dust it's epic. This will be remembered until the Dust settles, people will talk about it when we move on to the next game. So tip your hat and let it be.

You seem to have misunderstood these statements, let me clarify.

My intent was to show that we were able to make a very substantial sum of money without the aid of large donations, we were able to do it without fully utilizing all of the resources available to us. This means that we will have no issues regaining the lost funds.

A small percentage take from a corporate tax obviously does not fall under the category of "large donation". It is something we have discussed as a possibility in the future and it is fully supported under our policy and by all previous statements.

the point then being if and when a tax comes why should members of PRO stick around if your leaders throw away their hard earned money because they were too drunk to count zeroes (i get it lack of commas is a *****)

It is standard fare to have tax in corps in EVE, why should it be different in Dust?
The no Tax corps either are groups of friends who know each other outside of EVE, or they just die quickly.
Once Tax is actually implemented, the starter corps will probably have it like in EVE, so the money you get from PvE will have 10% off of it.
So joining a corp with 9% is already a benefit.

Also, it wasn't counting zeros, there was an attempt to transfer money from PRO to PRO Holdings.

so thats the best method you could come up with to transfer money b/w corps? Interception was never a forethought?

Meh you have the logistical support of a large alliance im sure there is someone there that can get you sorted.

We don't need help, we are far from bankrupt and we still have a lot of ways to gather ISK if needed.