He was drunk.
People do stupid things when they're drunk.

I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change.
I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes.
I mean really, am I the only one noticing that?

Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet.

I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that.

1,600 x 250,000 = 400,000,000

Now that's assuming absolutely every one of those 1,600 entered your lottery. Well, with benefit of the doubt and a few doubles thrown in I'll say 450 mil is a good estimate.

You say you've done two of these lotteries? Well then that's 900 million ISK.

This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts.





BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC.

This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts.





BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC.

Given the situation, I did find the teabagging incredibly excessive and immature considering the conditions of the battle. Even in the wake of major blunders like these, PRO tries to uphold a level of maturity and professionalism in major battles, I don't think it is wrong to expect the same in return.

To their statements it's pocket change, I find that hard to believe. Joe even came back on IRC and said that he was going to have to fund the lotto out of his own pocket.

I don't know the exact structure of PRO financing, but it sounds like the Joe, and maybe other Directors have a policy of keeping ISK in their pocket instead of the Corporation. It shows basic distrust of the other leaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if all the ISK goes *poof* once the leadership decides it's not worth the effort to try and defend their districts.

It's a warning falling on deaf ears as I suspect 80% of PRO members are in the Corporation because they got in game mail, and have no idea these forums even exist.

So from what I understand the conflict is resolved?

Joe paid out his own pocket for it all?

There isn't a good excuse for what happened. PRO members need to shut up about it and move on. It embarrassing that you are in here trying to justify it. It was a mistake.

Although my wording wasn't exactly ideal in my post, I will say that the 300M was a fairly substantial hit to our corp wallet. Regardless, I can honestly say that it won't be a major issue regaining the lost ISK. As you may have seen from our many mass messages that have been posted on the forum by a "spy", our policy has always been against significant corporate donations. If necessary, we will be able to organize a drive to quickly restore our lost funds.

As for the issues in organizing for the battle, we had to deal with unauthorized players entering the battle, which is an issue in our corp and something that we normally have means of preventing (Holdings). Any 8 PFBH would have been able to fight effectively in a battle against PRO.

We were particularly mismatched against the group you deployed. If I'm not mistaken, you had a Sagaris, a laser, a dropship spotter, and the rest were Krin's/Duvolle Assault. We had a fragmented squad of what was supposed to be 2 Proto HMG Heavies, a Duvolle Assault, and one Proto Logistics, and a squad with a shield tank, 2 Duvolle Assault, and myself with a Proto Shotgun/RE Scout. The first squad was first broken up by the unauthorized player, then one of our best Heavies got disconnected just before the match started. I'm not blaming our loss on these setbacks, it would have been a loss even if we had deployed without issues. I will say that it would have gone very different if we had the resources to deploy a more effective team, we might have still lost, but we would have had a chance of winning.

Personally, I can't support the disliking of the video in terms of the outcome itself, it was a loss and a mistake. Given the situation, I did find the teabagging incredibly excessive and immature considering the conditions of the battle. Even in the wake of major blunders like these, PRO tries to uphold a level of maturity and professionalism in major battles, I don't think it is wrong to expect the same in return.

1600 members, each buying a ticket for 250,000 for a lottery.
Calculate the money.
Now think how much money we have since we had two of those + people buy more than a single ticket.
Now think how much money we will have once TAX exists.

Joe isn't free from this, I'm going to have a talk with him to try and see why this happened and help him make sure it doesn't happen again, but this isn't as big as a hit for a corp this size.

Care to get your PR machine on message please?

Just let it go. 600 mil is a big hit in eve, in dust it's epic. This will be remembered until the Dust settles, people will talk about it when we move on to the next game. So tip your hat and let it be.

You seem to have misunderstood these statements, let me clarify.

My intent was to show that we were able to make a very substantial sum of money without the aid of large donations, we were able to do it without fully utilizing all of the resources available to us. This means that we will have no issues regaining the lost funds.

A small percentage take from a corporate tax obviously does not fall under the category of "large donation". It is something we have discussed as a possibility in the future and it is fully supported under our policy and by all previous statements.

the point then being if and when a tax comes why should members of PRO stick around if your leaders throw away their hard earned money because they were too drunk to count zeroes (i get it lack of commas is a *****)

It is standard fare to have tax in corps in EVE, why should it be different in Dust?
The no Tax corps either are groups of friends who know each other outside of EVE, or they just die quickly.
Once Tax is actually implemented, the starter corps will probably have it like in EVE, so the money you get from PvE will have 10% off of it.
So joining a corp with 9% is already a benefit.

Also, it wasn't counting zeros, there was an attempt to transfer money from PRO to PRO Holdings.

so thats the best method you could come up with to transfer money b/w corps? Interception was never a forethought?

Meh you have the logistical support of a large alliance im sure there is someone there that can get you sorted.

We don't need help, we are far from bankrupt and we still have a lot of ways to gather ISK if needed.