good piece. sad that this has to be said.

lol am I reading Dusters try to cover credibility?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/crackdown-urged-violent-games-lanza-report-article-1.1292402

Funny how the imobile infantry guys went silent.

Oh look, someone who runs a different fansite being a bum about some other fansites postings.

Yes, Dusters normally isn't worth my time. But FFS, give them a thumbs up when they say something that needs to be heard.

I personally applaud Immobile infantry's commitment to the meta game.

lol...General....you must be amiss to the history of these proceedings. The MAG-based community has found this blog funny to read for quite some time, but when they decided to label my blog as a "fake" and a "shame", I thought it was funny...seeing as how we did nothing to provoke it. That, along with some other lame posts, started the drama of them being a "tabloid".

A History of the Galactic News Network

But whatever, you're right....they do have a good point here.....finally. But really...does it really need to be said that the sexual preferences of gamers is not news? I mean...come on......

Eve side, people go to crazy lengths about wanting to know who you are, to the point of ridiculous invasions of privacy. Once that mindset gets into Dust, I am out of here.

Actually, the vast majority of Eve players are very strict about keeping gaming and real-life issues separate as they know all too well the dangers of crossing the thin line. As noted during the case of the 'Drunk Mittani' during Fanfest 2012, many players rallied to help the player with the alleged suicidal thoughts to keep him from doing anything rash after being flooded with "kill yourself" messages.

As noted during the case of the 'Drunk Mittani' during Fanfest 2012, many players rallied to help the player with the alleged suicidal thoughts to keep him from doing anything rash after being flooded with "kill yourself" messages.

And this is why you need strong leaders in the corps/alliance. Expect a lot of underhanded tactics from gamers who have nothing better to do themselves. And members need to talk to their leaders if they are being harassed so that their leaders can take appropriate actions.

Goonswarm does have good leadership. The Mittani, after sobering up and realizing his mistake, posted a public announcement apologizing to the community and to the alleged suicidal person in question for what he did. A clear cut example of why you should avoid getting too drunk at all costs.

Remember QuickGloves when he got drunk?

Goonswarm does have good leadership. The Mittani, after sobering up and realizing his mistake, posted a public announcement apologizing to the community and to the alleged suicidal person in question for what he did. A clear cut example of why you should avoid getting too drunk at all costs.

Remember Mel Gibson when he got drunk?

lol...General....you must be amiss to the history of these proceedings. The MAG-based community has found this blog funny to read for quite some time, but when they decided to label my blog as a "fake" and a "shame", I thought it was funny...seeing as how we did nothing to provoke it. That, along with some other lame posts, started the drama of them being a "tabloid".

A History of the Galactic News Network

But whatever, you're right....they do have a good point here.....finally. But really...does it really need to be said that the sexual preferences of gamers is not news? I mean...come on......

Funny how the imobile infantry guys went silent.

Dusters may get a lot of flack and they may have made some bad decisions in the past, but I think it's a growing organization that is going to do great things for the Dust community.

Dusters, you need to publicly name the source of this attack and smear so the situation can be dealt with in a transparent fashion. There are too many hands in the pot right now and the community needs to know where this came from.

Dusters, you need to publicly name the source of this attack and smear so the situation can be dealt with in a transparent fashion. There are too many hands in the pot right now and the community needs to know where this came from.

I think this would be ineffective... If anything, it would make them just more likely to mask who they are by creating a fake email account, a fake DUST account, etc.

It's awful that these things happen, but I'm glad that EVE and DUST have such a great community that support those who have been targeted.

Cyberstalking? LMAO

If you don't want people accessing your personal information, maybe you shouldn't put it on the internet in the first place?

Dusters knows the source but they aren't letting on. Doing such only makes the situation worse. The community is now jumping from person to person in a guessing game and assuming the worst of this person or that. Let in the light Dusters, sunshine has always been one of the best disinfectants.

The community deserves to know where this came from. Up to this point the only personal attacks I've seen were launch from Dusters blog against Jenza and Cerebral Wolf and both of those came from Nameless 514 aka Zion Shad. They need to publicly name their source so this situation can be put to bed.

Edit: Also, get those examples off the blog. I don't care if they are fictitious. The fact that you would even imply one thing or the other being leaked to you and then publishing it without identifying who it's aimed at can be just as hurtful as if you published the actual facts.

It's sickening. Even the majority of Eve players have better honor than this.

Dusters knows the source but they aren't letting on. Doing such only makes the situation worse. The community is now jumping from person to person in a guessing game and assuming the worst of this person or that. Let in the light Dusters, sunshine has always been one of the best disinfectants.

The community deserves to know where this came from. Up to this point the only personal attacks I've seen were launch from Dusters blog against Jenza and Cerebral Wolf and both of those came from Nameless 514 aka Zion Shad. They need to publicly name their source so this situation can be put to bed.

Edit: Also, get those examples off the blog. I don't care if they are fictitious. The fact that you would even imply one thing or the other being leaked to you and then publishing it without identifying who it's aimed at can be just as hurtful as if you published the actual facts.

Naming and shaming will only lead to a witch hunt and is not what this matter needs, Im sure CCP will deal with it in there own way and depending on how severe the situation, contact the relevent authorities.

WAAAH SOME PEOPLE ON DUST FOUND MY FACEBOOK WAT EVAR WILL I DO?????

this is the price you pay for putting your personal information on public websites. The offenders in this case did nothing wrong and simply accessed information that was already laid out for them.

also, good job at trying to call out names Kain, kind of hypocritical to talk against cyberstalking, and then call out two names and urge the community to do the exact same thing you're trying to condemn. What a joke.

Wrong, the witch hunt is here. Witch hunts occur when not all the facts are know. Right now Dusters is looking like McCarthy with this hidden list of horrible deeds and an unidentified attacker. For all we know Dusters could be the source just as it was for the personal attacks on Jenza and Cerebral Wolf early in it's existence.

The truth must out.

So anything goes? Thats really your stance dont make information public because somebody in a game space may decide to take it too far and use it to harass you, target you, bully you or otherwise try to make your life hell just for the hell of "metagame"



Just because you have access to publically made information doesn't mean its okay to act like an ogre.

Its like having access to a country club membership roster where address and numbers are readily available and you going to their home and littering all over it and crank calling them because you couldn't move past a defeat on the course. And you defend your vulgar actions by saying well he shouldnt have come here because we know everyones address and should expect that i will act like a childish toddler.


Seriously makes you wonder about the level of decency some people have in this world

Wrong again.

Right now the community is pointing fingers and that needs to stop and the only way for it to stop is for the truth to be know. What are you afraid of General Tiberius1? Does ZionTCD have something to hide? I think you guys of anyone would want to know who is at the bottom of this.

Wrong again.

Right now the community is pointing fingers and that needs to stop and the only way for it to stop is for the truth to be know. What are you afraid of General Tiberius1? Does ZionTCD have something to hide? I think you guys of anyone would want to know who is at the bottom of this.

I don't want the details of the offense. I want the source of this smear attack known. The victim can be left in anonymity, but the attacker needs to be known.

You're perpetuating exactly what you're trying to rally the community against. People like you and dusters who bring up past events like this only make things worse, I had completely forgotten that **** even happened before you brought it up again. Why do you think this is something that needs to be fleshed out in a public forum? I'm pretty sure this issue was taken care of in a private manner.

I don't want the details of the offense. I want the source of this smear attack known. The victim can be left in anonymity, but the attacker needs to be known.

it is not our job as the players to do this, drop it kain, this is for CCP and the relevant law agencies of the people affected to deal with

Who are you to even judge who's the victim and who's the attacker? Who gave you the authority to label people criminals and innocents? Why do you think you have some moral obligation to drag this back into the spotlight?

maybe you're the one with ulterior motives here, and not the zion dude.

If it was taken car of privately Dusters would have forward the details along to the proper people and not made a blog post with graphic examples that could be harmful in of themselves.

Not that it is in the public domain the source needs to be known. For now all it does is create uncertainty and paranoia in the community.

There are two lessons to be learned:

1: Don't be the creep looking for private info.

2: Don't be the dipshit who puts up personal info.

It's a two sided coin folks and you should all play it like so. You can't just flaunt phone numbers and not expect them to be known.

I have no interest in getting views and I have no interest in writing any longer for a publication that would use a situation like this to get them.

I thought Dusters had changed it ways and was moving to be more helpful to the community, but I was wrong apparently.

Kain's main point is this: The declaration of such a pathetic action as was written in this blog, without naming the source, leads you and I, the readers, to immediately start a mental witchhunt, accusing anyone and everyone of being the perpetrator, even if we don't voice it. That's how human brains work; we are curious, we have to know things, and we will extrapolate, connect, and construe whatever answers we can't find concrete definitions for.

Declaring the name of the perp will end any and all debate on it. Leave the legal consequences to the proper authorities, but at the same time, game consequences are partially CCP's responsibilities (bans etc) and partially the community's (will we endorse or condemn actions such as these which cross the line between gaming and harassment?)

Those are the critical points I see in this discussion.

@Kobrah: You do realize the amount of "publicly accessible data" that people have no idea is on the internet because of data collection companies, etc. right? Unless you have more information that I don't about it, who is to say whether or not the personal information in question was even publicly accessible through direct means?

@Tiberius: I do see your point, please reference my point above, because I believe it might bridge the disconnect between you and Kain's opinions on this matter.

@Kain: Maybe a slight rewording about the ZionShad/Cerebral Wolf incident might have been better to keep the example unbiased.

That's my .02 ISK.

That website sounds like a prime example of an "unknown host" for data as it compiles all of it, legally, but is exploited by less than honest folks. Thanks for the clarification Kobrah.

Putting personal information on public websites and then getting butthurt that someone went and accessed that information is not only very legal, but there's nothing wrong with it.
If it becomes an issue of constant real life harassment and threats, there's real life laws to prevent that sort of behavior. The fact there's some stupid notion that the community needs to rally against these people is ridiculous.

Don't want your personal information compromised? Don't make it readily available on the biggest website ever created.
getting harassed in real life? file a police report.

I fail to see any circumstance where the community needs to get involved in some form of pathetic LOL ANTI CYBURBULYING campaign.

You fail to see it because you clearly you dont understand the divide between video game space and real life space. The fact that the internet blurs into one giant repository of information yours to do whatever you wish with shows the level of childish intellect you possess. Because only children see things as black and white and see it as well if you don't want me to use it dont let me get that info.

What if i have kids and their photos are there, you saying its okay for you to use them, would you write threatening messages and then post them in game or leak them to some site simply because they are available and in the end let the authorities handle it, no need for the community to say or do anything. Are you really saying the best course of action is to say and do nothing and hope the "proper" people handle the situation. I dont know what world you grew up in but i dont simply bury my head in the sand and hope it goes away

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


Now i cant solve Climate change, poverty, world hunger, darfur, european debt crisis, american financial regulations, gender inequality, homophobia and the rest of the worlds problems

but i can say that i dont want stupid stuff like this going on in a video game because some miscreant can't tell the difference between right and wrong no parent bothered to teach them that just because you CAN do something DOESN"T mean you SHOULD do something.

Just wait a couple of days and see who is going to dissapear. There you got then your "witch". The thing that has beeing done is a bannable reason from the game.

LoL Kobrah. Dusters are the real criminals huh? You being bitter like Grezkev, because he's EoN too? Is this REALLY that pathetic? I understand Grez being pissed he didn't get the story, but that's the way it is. Even he's agreed that it's a very worthwhile article. Your opinion is clearly at odds with the rest of the community, and I don't see a problem with "a poorly made fansite making a publicity grab."

Hopefully this thread will be locked, CCP will deal with things, and we can carry on shooting faces.

Meta gaming is not the same as role playing.

people will believe as they will. when our email received the personal information as an editor I contacted Bruce. As the creator of the blog he decided [correctly i might add] to contact the victim. they are the only person we had a responsibility to. we forwarded them the emails so they could take appropriate action.

this was not the first time we had received personal info so we decided to also address it on a broad scale. this type of news is not welcome in gaming or on our blog and we decided to make it known. witch hunts? curiosity? those are personal issues. we went nameless in our article because the message condemning cyber-stalking was whats important. not who & what. those of you who wanted the gory details simply dont see the big picture.

more importantly, going into the details does nothing but promote what the offender wanted in the first place: to publish private and personal info with the intent of being hurtful. did u ever stop to ask yourselves if the victim wanted their personal life open to the community? to those who think we were grandstanding we could care less. this cyber stalking tactic needed to be killed at the root and we addressed it using our voice. if u dont like that? dont read.

we appreciate those of you in the community [dennie, hanz, sha karn, nova and others] for taking a stand against this act. if the 'you got what u deserved' trolls had their way, this kind of behavior would be commonplace and accepted. thank u for shutting them down and reminding everyone what decency is.

The exact reason why I don't associate myself with some of you nerds. Judging by the way some of you respond to certain posts, I can confirm some of you are either gaming addicts, low-self esteem Internet personalities, psychopaths, anti-social or are in dire need of group therapy .

Vadun: GÇ£I've been putting some time in recently spreading the rumor that Zion's CEO is going to be arrested in real life and their corp disband.GÇ¥

Vadun: GÇ£Never mind, it gets better. Djinn DJ from hell storm, our squad leader saw him talking trash in the Dust 514 chat channel about siding with some "******* random joker" over the glorious Zion. Dude is pissed, and I relayed the story of the Shad stalking, so now Hellstorm knows the detailsGÇ¥

Meater Shield: GÇ£What is more interesting,

I have been told by at least 3 different Zion members that he never called your gf?

I'm not saying it's not true or anything, if it's true the internal propaganda in Zion is worse than the Soviet Union.

Also, people would like to call out harder evidence on this actually happening. If you can provide somehow I can guarantee you it will have MASSIVE consequenses for Zion. Even more so compared to your first thread. Especially because it's crossing the personal barrier, if you know what I mean.

Cerebral Wolf Jr: GÇ£Yeah but the issue is proving it.GÇ¥

GÇ£I can't think of a way to provide proof.... I have the old emails from him but they are still him denying it.GÇ¥

GÇ£Im open to suggestions?..GÇ¥

Xaerael: GÇ£Won't that break CCP's rules about not revealing IRL information? ZTCD seems pretty desperate right now, and I wouldn't put it past them if one minute they said "prove it", then after the fact they say "but not that way! *report*".

GÇ£TBH, I'd use this reasoning as a weapon. I'd just say "I'm not divulging sensitive information regarding zion's personal information in the interest of maintaining the privacy of all.GÇ¥

Cerebral Wolf: GÇ£I do want to prove this to you guys, i really do, because the line was crossed here and i get the metagame but sometimes it's a bit much and i want to keep this in game but you're tying to force me into putting private personal information out there and thats not fair. So like i said i'm going to get someone who's not so fond of me to verify it and then post their finding for you all. You can understand that i don't want to post that on here right for obvious reasons? In addition to it getting me banned.GÇ¥

(Oh the tears! Give this man an Oscar! But itGÇÖs funny how this post was made after this one.)

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=626740#post626740

Cerebral Wolf: At what point did I lie?.. I've always admitted to my mistakes if you check the forums and people will verify this. I've nothing to lie about and have not had to lie at all.
in fact, I maybe able to prove he made the calls later.

March 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Many thanks to your staff for having the moral courage to stand up to this bullshit instead of feeding it. For those that thought this was a good idea - Learn to play EVE, for ****'s sake. This isn't "metagaming". It's juvenile bullying, and its used by people who aren't clever enough to deal with in-game issues using in-game means. It's petty, pointless, cruel, and unbecoming of the community. Whoever submitted this needs to take some time and space away from the game and do some serious rethinking of why they're here in the first place.