Wrong again.

Right now the community is pointing fingers and that needs to stop and the only way for it to stop is for the truth to be know. What are you afraid of General Tiberius1? Does ZionTCD have something to hide? I think you guys of anyone would want to know who is at the bottom of this.

I don't want the details of the offense. I want the source of this smear attack known. The victim can be left in anonymity, but the attacker needs to be known.

You're perpetuating exactly what you're trying to rally the community against. People like you and dusters who bring up past events like this only make things worse, I had completely forgotten that **** even happened before you brought it up again. Why do you think this is something that needs to be fleshed out in a public forum? I'm pretty sure this issue was taken care of in a private manner.

I don't want the details of the offense. I want the source of this smear attack known. The victim can be left in anonymity, but the attacker needs to be known.

it is not our job as the players to do this, drop it kain, this is for CCP and the relevant law agencies of the people affected to deal with

Who are you to even judge who's the victim and who's the attacker? Who gave you the authority to label people criminals and innocents? Why do you think you have some moral obligation to drag this back into the spotlight?

maybe you're the one with ulterior motives here, and not the zion dude.

If it was taken car of privately Dusters would have forward the details along to the proper people and not made a blog post with graphic examples that could be harmful in of themselves.

Not that it is in the public domain the source needs to be known. For now all it does is create uncertainty and paranoia in the community.

There are two lessons to be learned:

1: Don't be the creep looking for private info.

2: Don't be the dipshit who puts up personal info.

It's a two sided coin folks and you should all play it like so. You can't just flaunt phone numbers and not expect them to be known.

I have no interest in getting views and I have no interest in writing any longer for a publication that would use a situation like this to get them.

I thought Dusters had changed it ways and was moving to be more helpful to the community, but I was wrong apparently.

Kain's main point is this: The declaration of such a pathetic action as was written in this blog, without naming the source, leads you and I, the readers, to immediately start a mental witchhunt, accusing anyone and everyone of being the perpetrator, even if we don't voice it. That's how human brains work; we are curious, we have to know things, and we will extrapolate, connect, and construe whatever answers we can't find concrete definitions for.

Declaring the name of the perp will end any and all debate on it. Leave the legal consequences to the proper authorities, but at the same time, game consequences are partially CCP's responsibilities (bans etc) and partially the community's (will we endorse or condemn actions such as these which cross the line between gaming and harassment?)

Those are the critical points I see in this discussion.

@Kobrah: You do realize the amount of "publicly accessible data" that people have no idea is on the internet because of data collection companies, etc. right? Unless you have more information that I don't about it, who is to say whether or not the personal information in question was even publicly accessible through direct means?

@Tiberius: I do see your point, please reference my point above, because I believe it might bridge the disconnect between you and Kain's opinions on this matter.

@Kain: Maybe a slight rewording about the ZionShad/Cerebral Wolf incident might have been better to keep the example unbiased.

That's my .02 ISK.

That website sounds like a prime example of an "unknown host" for data as it compiles all of it, legally, but is exploited by less than honest folks. Thanks for the clarification Kobrah.

Putting personal information on public websites and then getting butthurt that someone went and accessed that information is not only very legal, but there's nothing wrong with it.
If it becomes an issue of constant real life harassment and threats, there's real life laws to prevent that sort of behavior. The fact there's some stupid notion that the community needs to rally against these people is ridiculous.

Don't want your personal information compromised? Don't make it readily available on the biggest website ever created.
getting harassed in real life? file a police report.

I fail to see any circumstance where the community needs to get involved in some form of pathetic LOL ANTI CYBURBULYING campaign.

You fail to see it because you clearly you dont understand the divide between video game space and real life space. The fact that the internet blurs into one giant repository of information yours to do whatever you wish with shows the level of childish intellect you possess. Because only children see things as black and white and see it as well if you don't want me to use it dont let me get that info.

What if i have kids and their photos are there, you saying its okay for you to use them, would you write threatening messages and then post them in game or leak them to some site simply because they are available and in the end let the authorities handle it, no need for the community to say or do anything. Are you really saying the best course of action is to say and do nothing and hope the "proper" people handle the situation. I dont know what world you grew up in but i dont simply bury my head in the sand and hope it goes away

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


Now i cant solve Climate change, poverty, world hunger, darfur, european debt crisis, american financial regulations, gender inequality, homophobia and the rest of the worlds problems

but i can say that i dont want stupid stuff like this going on in a video game because some miscreant can't tell the difference between right and wrong no parent bothered to teach them that just because you CAN do something DOESN"T mean you SHOULD do something.

Just wait a couple of days and see who is going to dissapear. There you got then your "witch". The thing that has beeing done is a bannable reason from the game.

LoL Kobrah. Dusters are the real criminals huh? You being bitter like Grezkev, because he's EoN too? Is this REALLY that pathetic? I understand Grez being pissed he didn't get the story, but that's the way it is. Even he's agreed that it's a very worthwhile article. Your opinion is clearly at odds with the rest of the community, and I don't see a problem with "a poorly made fansite making a publicity grab."

Hopefully this thread will be locked, CCP will deal with things, and we can carry on shooting faces.