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Panther AIpha
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:42:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Meta gaming is not the same as role playing.
I agree....
In role-playing games, a player is metagaming when they use knowledge that is not available to their character in order to change the way they play their character (usually to give them an advantage within the game), such as knowledge of the mathematical nature of character statistics, or the statistics of a creature that the player is familiar with but the character has never encountered. In general, it refers to any gaps between player knowledge and character knowledge which the player acts upon.
What you guys do, is not metagaming... It is ; Outside game / Real Life Role play. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:52:00 -
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people will believe as they will. when our email received the personal information as an editor I contacted Bruce. As the creator of the blog he decided [correctly i might add] to contact the victim. they are the only person we had a responsibility to. we forwarded them the emails so they could take appropriate action.
this was not the first time we had received personal info so we decided to also address it on a broad scale. this type of news is not welcome in gaming or on our blog and we decided to make it known. witch hunts? curiosity? those are personal issues. we went nameless in our article because the message condemning cyber-stalking was whats important. not who & what. those of you who wanted the gory details simply dont see the big picture.
more importantly, going into the details does nothing but promote what the offender wanted in the first place: to publish private and personal info with the intent of being hurtful. did u ever stop to ask yourselves if the victim wanted their personal life open to the community? to those who think we were grandstanding we could care less. this cyber stalking tactic needed to be killed at the root and we addressed it using our voice. if u dont like that? dont read.
we appreciate those of you in the community [dennie, hanz, sha karn, nova and others] for taking a stand against this act. if the 'you got what u deserved' trolls had their way, this kind of behavior would be commonplace and accepted. thank u for shutting them down and reminding everyone what decency is. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
321
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:57:00 -
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Dusters Blog wrote:people will believe as they will. when our email received the personal information as an editor I contacted Bruce. As the creator of the blog he decided [correctly i might add] to contact the victim. they are the only person we had a responsibility to. we forwarded them the emails so they could take appropriate action.
this was not the first time we had received personal info so we decided to also address it on a broad scale. this type of news is not welcome in gaming or on our blog and we decided to make it known. witch hunts? curiosity? those are personal issues. we went nameless in our article because the message condemning cyber-stalking was whats important. not who & what. those of you who wanted the gory details simply dont see the big picture.
more importantly, going into the details does nothing but promote what the offender wanted in the first place: to publish private and personal info with the intent of being hurtful. did u ever stop to ask yourselves if the victim wanted their personal life open to the community? to those who think we were grandstanding we could care less. this cyber stalking tactic needed to be killed at the root and we addressed it using our voice. if u dont like that? dont read.
we appreciate those of you in the community [dennie, hanz, sha karn, nova and others] for taking a stand against this act. if the 'you got what u deserved' trolls had their way, this kind of behavior would be commonplace and accepted. thank u for shutting them down and reminding everyone what decency is.
Who the hell was asking for the victims information to be published? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2145
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Posted - 2013.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Does this mean that "dusters biog" is finally out of the picture?
I miss you, fail troll... |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1792
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:49:00 -
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On a legal level, this is something the community should be careful about. If Dusters received any such information from people who have ill intents, he should have those people reported to the proper authorities (the local police) who will then make sure that this is dealt with in a legal manner. At which point, the media will do the naming and shaming of those of stole such information (assuming such info wasn't already publicly available).
There was this one instance on Eve Online where a player reported on the forums what happened with his game account that got hacked. He immediately contacted his bank to have his bank account frozen for good measure. The next day he received a call from the bank that someone tried to complete a transaction via his frozen account and hours later he got a visit from the FPI. Apparently they were able to trace the hacker who was located in Russia trying to use his account while operating an illegal pill mill.
Of course, this has nothing to do with people having personal vendettas against others just because they got scammed/robbed in a game that allows it. But it does point out the fact that there are severe consequences for those who cross the line for whatever reason (personal real-world vendettas, running pill mills, hacking accounts, etc.) which is why such things should always be reported to the police. |
Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:46:00 -
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The exact reason why I don't associate myself with some of you nerds. Judging by the way some of you respond to certain posts, I can confirm some of you are either gaming addicts, psychopaths, anti-social or are in dire need of group therapy . |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:15:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:The exact reason why I don't associate myself with some of you nerds. Judging by the way some of you respond to certain posts, I can confirm some of you are either gaming addicts, low-self esteem Internet personalities, psychopaths, anti-social or are in dire need of group therapy . Psychotic? Check. Gaming addict? Check.
Not too sure about the rest of your list, but I fill a couple of points at least. Sorry if my state of being offends you, but I'm sure you'll get over it, since you're obviously such a well-balanced and sane person yourself. |
Martin Short Man
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:26:00 -
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As a Goon, I am no stranger to trolling, scamming and infiltrating corporation in eve. The same goes for Dust as well, but I draw the line when it comes to pulling RLI in to a virtual world. I have been a member of the Immobile Infantry since around January and have enjoyed watching you FPS Scrubs cry and point fingers at one another on these forums. (Ahh, the tears have been plentiful.)
But enough about me let us talk more about why IGÇÖm here. Well after seeing this dusters blog put up its GÇ£Cyber StalkingGÇ¥ post, it was in regards about our fearless leader Cerebral Wolf wanting to spread RLI on one Jenza of Betamax. (I may be a Goon but even I have standards.)
Truth be told, he is collecting private information on a lot of you. ZionShad was just the first to experience this. To be honest ZionShad never called Cerebral Wolf or his Girlfriend (yep not wife) and all this was from the start is one huge smear campaign by not only Cerebral Wolf, but a lot of you as well. (Bravo!)
Here are some quotes from our forms at ImmobileInfantry.net to help you along.
Quote:Vadun: GÇ£I've been putting some time in recently spreading the rumor that Zion's CEO is going to be arrested in real life and their corp disband.GÇ¥
Vadun: GÇ£Never mind, it gets better. Djinn DJ from hell storm, our squad leader saw him talking trash in the Dust 514 chat channel about siding with some "******* random joker" over the glorious Zion. Dude is pissed, and I relayed the story of the Shad stalking, so now Hellstorm knows the detailsGÇ¥
You see we are spreading lies from the forums to the planets about our enemy and it gets much better.
Quote:Meater Shield: GÇ£What is more interesting,
I have been told by at least 3 different Zion members that he never called your gf?
I'm not saying it's not true or anything, if it's true the internal propaganda in Zion is worse than the Soviet Union.
Also, people would like to call out harder evidence on this actually happening. If you can provide somehow I can guarantee you it will have MASSIVE consequenses for Zion. Even more so compared to your first thread. Especially because it's crossing the personal barrier, if you know what I mean.
Quote:Cerebral Wolf Jr: GÇ£Yeah but the issue is proving it.GÇ¥
GÇ£I can't think of a way to provide proof.... I have the old emails from him but they are still him denying it.GÇ¥
GÇ£Im open to suggestions?..GÇ¥
He wanted to find a way to create evidence out of nothing and wanted our help to do it. (What were you thinking to ever release something like this in the first place?)
Quote:Xaerael: GÇ£Won't that break CCP's rules about not revealing IRL information? ZTCD seems pretty desperate right now, and I wouldn't put it past them if one minute they said "prove it", then after the fact they say "but not that way! *report*".
GÇ£TBH, I'd use this reasoning as a weapon. I'd just say "I'm not divulging sensitive information regarding zion's personal information in the interest of maintaining the privacy of all.GÇ¥
And you seen this in action here
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=627769#post627769
Quote:Cerebral Wolf: GÇ£I do want to prove this to you guys, i really do, because the line was crossed here and i get the metagame but sometimes it's a bit much and i want to keep this in game but you're tying to force me into putting private personal information out there and thats not fair. So like i said i'm going to get someone who's not so fond of me to verify it and then post their finding for you all. You can understand that i don't want to post that on here right for obvious reasons? In addition to it getting me banned.GÇ¥ (Oh the tears! Give this man an Oscar! But itGÇÖs funny how this post was made after this one.)https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=626740#post626740Cerebral Wolf: At what point did I lie?.. I've always admitted to my mistakes if you check the forums and people will verify this. I've nothing to lie about and have not had to lie at all. in fact, I maybe able to prove he made the calls later.
(Oh you lie a lot my friend)
Since it never has happen, it became a game of GÇ£your word against mineGÇ¥ and the forum trolls were our judge, jury and executioners. Now what you all do with this is up to you. I am looking forward to the tear's.
Now I would like to take the time to nominate Breakin Stuff as our new leader because to be frank, IGÇÖm sick of Cerebral ordering me around.
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
850
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:31:00 -
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This blog makes a very good point, thank you for publishing it. There are a lot of real world consequences to this type of behavior that could extend beyond EVE/Dust, beyond the personal lives of those involved and beyond gaming. The use of "the dangers of gaming" to sign laws and treaties which strip civil liberties and personal privacy is very much an active issue and no meta game in New Eden or outside of it trumps that. If the basic suffering that can be inflicted on an individual by these actions is an insufficient deterrent to these actions then at least be self interested enough to protect your own freedoms and privacy. In either case the conclusion is the same, this kind of behavior is unacceptable and I commend the editors over at Dusters for saying as much.
0.02 ISK Cross
EDIT: For those who don't read the comments on blogs, here was a good one
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:March 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM
Many thanks to your staff for having the moral courage to stand up to this bullshit instead of feeding it. For those that thought this was a good idea - Learn to play EVE, for ****'s sake. This isn't "metagaming". It's juvenile bullying, and its used by people who aren't clever enough to deal with in-game issues using in-game means. It's petty, pointless, cruel, and unbecoming of the community. Whoever submitted this needs to take some time and space away from the game and do some serious rethinking of why they're here in the first place. |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.27 04:07:00 -
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Sad that someone sunk below GNNs standards, didn't think that was possible. :P In all seriousness please get a life and use your real life peen. This coming from a guy that has no life and has been high and dry for over a year. |
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