DUST Search - Nova Knife buff by Lightning_

Lightning xVx wrote:

Travi Zyg wrote:

Will resist the urge to go on about how mg rising is a disgrace to the series BUT I agree with you lightning. I think they should get a buff, as in less or no charge time. I don't think you need more damage or extra abilities (we don't need raidens running around the field). I think you should be able to swing them freely whenever, and they should be more quiet. im sure nova knives will find their place much more with the scout camo and racial suits. Imho , its meant for stealth ops and quick moves, not running through bullet barrages. I know our suits enhance balance and reflexs , strength and speed but I'm sure from how the game plays, the suit was not meant to give you the reflexes to deflect incoming bullets. If your scout suit gave you reflexes that absurd, then the suits should also gives us that much more in strength and balance, can we then dual weild hmgs?

I think you just have zandatsu fever Blink

Also, dont mean to rain on the nova parade, its purely personal opinion, but as I said, they deserve a buff, but def not those extra abilities.

Agreed, I only added the deflection mechanic soley based on a 1v1 but can also be used for defense in tough situations. But my question is why shouldnt we have the ability to deflect bullets? We (Mercenaries) have the technology and suits to enhance every single aspect of our body and mind. Plus if balanced correctly can open up gameplay again allowing people to experiment with builds like in closed BETA. And while I am on a ZAN-DATSU high I just want to be able to enjoy something Im good at as a gamer, CQC.

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Lightning xVx G I A N T 38	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:02:00 - [1] - Quote Here is IMO what I think needs to be buffed for Nova Knives: I noticed every time I use Nova Knives my biggest complaint would have to be the fact that they are completely useless on the frontal part of the battlefield or for that matter, at ALL. So while I primarily would like to run them as my main there just isnGÇÖt any way for me or anyone to actually fully utilize them in combat. So I thought to myself how a Knifer best can utilize them in and out of combat without having a horrible KDR; by adding a deflection mechanic on them. When you have the Nova Knives equipped there should be three primary buttons that you can use in combat: Melee (R3), Charge (R1) and Deflect (L1). And in that there should be a very small window for deflection (FRONT ONLY) that the user can deflect bullets, anywhere else sides or back will be vulnerable. HereGÇÖs a scenario for every situation both offensively and defensively: THIS IS BASED OFF OF STAMINA. Offense: 1.) Fighting against AR's or SMG's, you can hold down L1 (Deflection button) and it will start to deflect direct fire bullets and for every bullet that registers your stamina will begin to deplete. Thus leaving you vulnerable without stamina to run, jump or deflect until it has finally cooled down. 2.) When facing against a Shotgunnner or Sniper each successful hit that registers from them will deplete an IMMENSE amount of stamina thus rendering you useless and vulnerable to be attacked. 3.) When facing HMG's depending on how many bullets are registered it will decrease even more so than standard weaponry so it will not be OP whilst fighting against an HMG. 4.) Forge Guns/Vehicles/Splash Damage/Melee weaponry: NO DEFLECTION. Defense: 1.) Can be used to deflect bullets and grant points as Guardian when assisting nearby teammates (Radius Bound). 2.) Can be used to deflect bullets after your low on ammo and trying to escape a group of enemies. 3.) Can raise dampners up to 5-10% 4.) Can be used while sprinting (but also drains stamina even more) 5.) It looks badass. Here are some vids I got inspiration from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wNz7UFOF0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJrfubgK45M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtM3PGyiQUc
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 164	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote Good idea, would make using the nova knifes safe
John Xulu The Tritan Industries 12	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I feel like as enhanced mercenaries we should be able to deflect bullets. I dunno, maybe we register them faster than a normal human. But it's good that you balanced out the weapon with stamina drawbacks too. However deflection of a sniper rifle may be all but forgotten when people start getting actually good at the game. Then you won't ever see the snipers. Regardless, I recommend you put your buff idea in the feedback/request section so that it can be seen and hopefully implemented.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 807	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:18:00 - [4] - Quote It's a knife not a lightsaber...
Lightning xVx G I A N T 41	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:21:00 - [5] - Quote This is a game, its meant to be fun.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 807	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:26:00 - [6] - Quote Game or not, the saying "like bringing a knife to a gun fight" has one very specific meaning. I love you guys who use them (Yay free kills) but their not meant for frontal attacks, their meant for stealth action, coming up behind someone and killing him before he knows your there.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 477	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:26:00 - [7] - Quote What the hell? Why don't you just put physical shields in the game?
Lightning xVx G I A N T 41	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:31:00 - [8] - Quote gbghg wrote: Game or not, the saying "like bringing a knife to a gun fight" has one very specific meaning. I love you guys who use them (Yay free kills) but their not meant for frontal attacks, their meant for stealth action, coming up behind someone and killing him before he knows your there. Understood but why do we even have them in the game if there almost completely useless? CCP should either buff them or just completely get rid of them.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 807	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:35:00 - [9] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: gbghg wrote: Game or not, the saying "like bringing a knife to a gun fight" has one very specific meaning. I love you guys who use them (Yay free kills) but their not meant for frontal attacks, their meant for stealth action, coming up behind someone and killing him before he knows your there. Understood but why do we even have them in the game if there almost completely useless? CCP should either buff them or just completely get rid of them. buffs for the nova knives are coming in the next update.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote Maybe have stamina drop in relation to hit damage

Rifter7 Improvise. 115	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:39:00 - [11] - Quote look.. not everything in this game is meant to be a jack of all trades assault rifle. the nova knives fit a niche and are good at killing people quickly and silently. they're not assault rifles.. stop trying to make this a commando pro or a riot shield in dust514.
Lightning xVx G I A N T 41	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: look.. not everything in this game is meant to be a jack of all trades assault rifle. the nova knives fit a niche and are good at killing people quickly and silently. they're not assault rifles.. stop trying to make this a commando pro or a riot shield in dust514. Perhaps you should properly read what I put instead of making an assumption. Plus I guarantee in time we will have mobile shields.
First Prophet Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 45	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:42:00 - [13] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: the nova knives fit a niche and are good at killing people quickly and silently. They're actually pretty kitten loud.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T 23	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:43:00 - [14] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: What the hell? Why don't you just put physical shields in the game? They will be useful when they introduce the Nova Lance into the game. And future horses. But srsly the knives are garbage. The sound effect always makes me whirl around though...kinda scary...
Jathniel G I A N T 112	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:53:00 - [15] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: look.. not everything in this game is meant to be a jack of all trades assault rifle. the nova knives fit a niche and are good at killing people quickly and silently. they're not assault rifles.. stop trying to make this a commando pro or a riot shield in dust514. What's wrong with a riot shield? You practically have a skin tight energy shield surrounding your whole body right now. Is something a little more old-school that hard to fathom? In any case, there is no such thing as "killing people quickly and silently" in this game. When someone dies, everyone knows. When you're squadmate dies, everyone knows. When someone gets killed by Nova Knives it's a joke. This idea gives them a fighting chance.
Travi Zyg G I A N T 46	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:59:00 - [16] - Quote Will resist the urge to go on about how mg rising is a disgrace to the series BUT I agree with you lightning. I think they should get a buff, as in less or no charge time. I don't think you need more damage or extra abilities (we don't need raidens running around the field). I think you should be able to swing them freely whenever, and they should be more quiet. im sure nova knives will find their place much more with the scout camo and racial suits. Imho , its meant for stealth ops and quick moves, not running through bullet barrages. I know our suits enhance balance and reflexs , strength and speed but I'm sure from how the game plays, the suit was not meant to give you the reflexes to deflect incoming bullets. If your scout suit gave you reflexes that absurd, then the suits should also gives us that much more in strength and balance, can we then dual weild hmgs? I think you just have zandatsu fever Also, dont mean to rain on the nova parade, its purely personal opinion, but as I said, they deserve a buff, but def not those extra abilities.
Jathniel G I A N T 112	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:59:00 - [17] - Quote We should move this to Feedback/Requests.
Rifter7 Improvise. 115	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote yeah i dunno you're probably right. i'd never use the thing anyways. chalk my post up to headaches from an overflood of nerf and buff threads.
Travi Zyg G I A N T 46	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:09:00 - [19] - Quote Changed my mind....get rid of current nova knives, and just make them nova throwing knives that can be thrown fast, and maybe slow the target down with each hit or a sort of stun.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1751	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:09:00 - [20] - Quote The concept behind this is actually very sound. However, mind if I pitch in? For the record, this should be in the feedback section of the forums. Anyways, back to the main point. 1. Deflection should be chance based. A pair of nova knives are not going to be able to deflect every shot because the bullets are just too fast for even the exo-suit-powered arms to catch up. Perhaps make the chances of successful deflection increase with both the tier of the weapon and the passive bonus of related skill books and perhaps maybe a bonus from wearing a particular specialization suit. 2. Currently, there is a way to sprint with the charge held. Melee+R1(hold). This is just a glitch and CCP has mentioned outside of the forums that this is just a place holder mechanic until they allow direct sprint-charge in the next build. The downside with the glitch is that it drains stamina every time you start it and it becomes a complete hindrance when you're in the middle of a 1v1 dance of death. 3. Here is a link to my diaries so you can see all the data I managed to gather while specializing in this rare profession. As you can see, the nova knife was never meant to be used as a frontal-attack weapon. It's a stealth-based weapon that is extremely situational and only benefits the scout user. Once the cloaking modules are put into the market, the knives will become even deadlier.

Lightning xVx G I A N T 43	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:10:00 - [21] - Quote Travi Zyg wrote: Will resist the urge to go on about how mg rising is a disgrace to the series BUT I agree with you lightning. I think they should get a buff, as in less or no charge time. I don't think you need more damage or extra abilities (we don't need raidens running around the field). I think you should be able to swing them freely whenever, and they should be more quiet. im sure nova knives will find their place much more with the scout camo and racial suits. Imho , its meant for stealth ops and quick moves, not running through bullet barrages. I know our suits enhance balance and reflexs , strength and speed but I'm sure from how the game plays, the suit was not meant to give you the reflexes to deflect incoming bullets. If your scout suit gave you reflexes that absurd, then the suits should also gives us that much more in strength and balance, can we then dual weild hmgs? I think you just have zandatsu fever Also, dont mean to rain on the nova parade, its purely personal opinion, but as I said, they deserve a buff, but def not those extra abilities. Agreed, I only added the deflection mechanic soley based on a 1v1 but can also be used for defense in tough situations. But my question is why shouldnt we have the ability to deflect bullets? We (Mercenaries) have the technology and suits to enhance every single aspect of our body and mind. Plus if balanced correctly can open up gameplay again allowing people to experiment with builds like in closed BETA. And while I am on a ZAN-DATSU high I just want to be able to enjoy something Im good at as a gamer, CQC.
Lightning xVx G I A N T 43	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The concept behind this is actually very sound. However, mind if I pitch in? For the record, this should be in the feedback section of the forums. Anyways, back to the main point. 1. Deflection should be chance based. A pair of nova knives are not going to be able to deflect every shot because the bullets are just too fast for even the exo-suit-powered arms to catch up. Perhaps make the chances of successful deflection increase with both the tier of the weapon and the passive bonus of related skill books and perhaps maybe a bonus from wearing a particular specialization suit. 2. Currently, there is a way to sprint with the charge held. Melee+R1(hold). This is just a glitch and CCP has mentioned outside of the forums that this is just a place holder mechanic until they allow direct sprint-charge in the next build. The downside with the glitch is that it drains stamina every time you start it and it becomes a complete hindrance when you're in the middle of a 1v1 dance of death. 3. Here is a link to my diaries so you can see all the data I managed to gather while specializing in this rare profession. As you can see, the nova knife was never meant to be used as a frontal-attack weapon. It's a stealth-based weapon that is extremely situational and only benefits the scout user. Once the cloaking modules are put into the market, the knives will become even deadlier. I must agree I do like the skilling into proficiency of deflection having a roll of chance in order to properly deflect bullets but Nova Knives should not just be kept as JUST a stealth weapon. I understand every weapon has a time/place/purpose but no weapon should ever be limited to just one tier. IMO.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 83	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:19:00 - [23] - Quote I'd love it if scouts with nova knives could latch onto heavies and ride them while doing slow bleed damage. Not very effective if they have support but if they're alone...
Travi Zyg G I A N T 46	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:20:00 - [24] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: Will resist the urge to go on about how mg rising is a disgrace to the series BUT I agree with you lightning. I think they should get a buff, as in less or no charge time. I don't think you need more damage or extra abilities (we don't need raidens running around the field). I think you should be able to swing them freely whenever, and they should be more quiet. im sure nova knives will find their place much more with the scout camo and racial suits. Imho , its meant for stealth ops and quick moves, not running through bullet barrages. I know our suits enhance balance and reflexs , strength and speed but I'm sure from how the game plays, the suit was not meant to give you the reflexes to deflect incoming bullets. If your scout suit gave you reflexes that absurd, then the suits should also gives us that much more in strength and balance, can we then dual weild hmgs? I think you just have zandatsu fever Also, dont mean to rain on the nova parade, its purely personal opinion, but as I said, they deserve a buff, but def not those extra abilities. Agreed, I only added the deflection mechanic soley based on a 1v1 but can also be used for defense in tough situations. But my question is why shouldnt we have the ability to deflect bullets? We (Mercenaries) have the technology and suits to enhance every single aspect of our body and mind. Plus if balanced correctly can open up gameplay again allowing people to experiment with builds like in closed BETA. And while I am on a ZAN-DATSU high I just want to be able to enjoy something Im good at as a gamer, CQC. I just dont think the suits were built with THAT much reflex enhancement in mind. Like I said, if we had that much enhanced reflex, wouldn't it be safe to say that our other abilities would skyrocket as well. People would start complaining that their heavy should be able to pick up and throw LAVs at the expense of stamina Also, I have beared witness to your CQC beatdowns, and I have full confidence that when you get your scout cloaking , buff or no buff on the knives, you will be shredding ppl with them.not many can play the CQC game as well as you and a handful of others. On a side note. I miss MGO more then any other online ps3 game atm... totally being honest
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1751	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:24:00 - [25] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: ... no weapon should ever be limited to just one tier. IMO. "Tier" is the level of the weapon. I think you meant "purpose". In terms of being limited to a particular purpose, it's not a bad thing. I mean, I don't mind seeing people use the nova knives as a frontal-attack weapon, but I do know for a fact that the weapon is designed to shine best in stealth-attack situations such as when I kill folks who are hacking objectives, sniping at my teammates, etc. It's like taking a screw driver, grabbing it by the shank, and hitting the head of the nail with the handle. It might work, but the screw driver is best used to drive screws.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 96	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:26:00 - [26] - Quote I think this is a great premise! Well thought out too. I just had two critiques, and, if I may, three additions. C1) They should deflect melee and other nova knives. Why not? Can't you just SEE the awesome implications AND possibilities. It almost makes me swoon. C2) It shouldn't cost any stamina to run with the knives being used in this manner. A1) NM.. I see that others thought it should generate a shield of sorts- which i agree with. A2) The riot shield should have a heat build up based on the NK skill. It shouldn't be tied to stamina. A3) Generating a shield should increase your signature.. aka you should absolutely pop up on the enemies minimal/battle map
Lightning xVx G I A N T 43	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:35:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: ... no weapon should ever be limited to just one tier. IMO. "Tier" is the level of the weapon. I think you meant "purpose". In terms of being limited to a particular purpose, it's not a bad thing. I mean, I don't mind seeing people use the nova knives as a frontal-attack weapon, but I do know for a fact that the weapon is designed to shine best in stealth-attack situations such as when I kill folks who are hacking objectives, sniping at my teammates, etc. It's like taking a screw driver, grabbing it by the shank, and hitting the head of the nail with the handle. It might work, but the screw driver is best used to drive screws. It is possible though to use it in combat against multiple foes IF properly suited.... There were a few times I have randomly decided to use it in combat and the results were actually surprising, granted I did go up against militia gear soldiers but it goes to show that if put in the right hands (Niche players, I guess) can prove to be very successful in combat.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 96	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:36:00 - [28] - Quote OK- one more addition- A4) There should be dif types of blade lengths tied to skill- May i introduce the (open beta model) s1ck3r Corp Xiphos R600? Looks like- THIS^ Rocks like- THIS^ @ 0.33 and especially @ 1.11
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 74	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:41:00 - [29] - Quote gbghg wrote: It's a knife not a lightsaber...and we are not Jedi... Fixed :)
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1751	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:47:00 - [30] - Quote mollerz wrote: OK- one more addition- A4) There should be dif types of blade lengths tied to skill- May i introduce the (open beta model) s1ck3r Corp Xiphos R600? Looks like- THIS^ Rocks like- THIS^ @ 0.33 and especially @ 1.11 Looks like a weapon fit for an Amarrian.



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