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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:26:00 -
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There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announced they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
807
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 -
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Why are you posting this now? they increased the price months ago. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 -
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stupid double post |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 -
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Why?
You just said you can sell the BPO's for half the price. Profit much? It's not like you can sell AUR for real money. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 -
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How so? It was your choice to buy those BPO's. I would be angry if they reset the AUR people used. People who bought all the bpos were smart because once you can buy the stuff for isk it will be worth a lot. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 -
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becuase it was only available to closed beta testers little head start, and that's completely unfair.
Maybe I'm posting it now becuase when it happen only 2000 people played dust. Now it's got 100,000's of players, who was I going to tell back then? Newer players should be up in arms over this nonsense. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:33:00 -
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I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 -
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What Deadeyes said. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 -
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I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset! IT Pay2Win all the way for me. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them.
But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. |
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:38:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote: I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset! IT Pay2Win all the way for me.
So you don't mind that because of CCP and for being in the closed beta, I will be getting for 20$, over 500$ of AUR? That doesn't **** you off that you couldn't have that opportunity? You think that's fair? Well ok if you say so.
Will people forgive CCP for anything? |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:38:00 -
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Crazy, it's a player-driven market. People with economics degrees have used EVE in studies in order to better learn market forces. DUST will be a player-driven market too.
Edit: It's not CCP's fault you have good market sense. Stop trying to take it out on CCP. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:40:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up.
I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while.
When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters.
So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:44:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Crazy, it's a player-driven market. People with economics degrees have used EVE in studies in order to better learn market forces. DUST will be a player-driven market too.
What does that have to do with CCP changing the price of it's Mirco transaction store items? Those are prices set by CCP, If what your saying comes to light, then CCP won't sell a single AUR item ever again. Why buy this standard logi BPO for 12,000 AUR from CCP, when you could buy it from another players for 10,000!
That whole system is going to blow up in CCP's face. No one will purchase AUR BPOs anymore unless there are none left on the player market. Good bye profits.
Will dust no longer be a player driven market if they remove all AUR items apon release and refund everyone's AUR like they did last build?
But ok you've all shown me the way it's totaly ok that we closed beta tester get to rip you all off. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:45:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care.
I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:47:00 -
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Give back the SP you got from buying boosters.
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:52:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:
I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded.
I don't know for sure but letting players exchange money for in game currency has been one of the biggest successes for EvE.
I would be shocked if they locked AUR down in Dust 514. Why not let that crazy rich guy spend a few thousand dollars so he can make his Corporation competitive. It also lets players who don't want to throw money into the game still get AUR items (at a much slower rate). |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
26
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:53:00 -
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I work for my money. If i F*** up in my investment then what, Bo Ho S*** happen I move on.
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:01:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:What does that have to do with CCP changing the price of it's Mirco transaction store items? Those are prices set by CCP, If what your saying comes to light, then CCP won't sell a single AUR item ever again. Why buy this standard logi BPO for 12,000 AUR from CCP, when you could buy it from another players for 10,000!
That whole system is going to blow up in CCP's face. No one will purchase AUR BPOs anymore unless there are none left on the player market. Good bye profits.
Will dust no longer be a player driven market if they remove all AUR items apon release and refund everyone's AUR like they did last build?
But ok you've all shown me the way it's totaly ok that we closed beta tester get to rip you all off.
Yes, but there's a finite supply of player-provided items. Seriously, you need to learn some basic economics. Supply and demand. I can imagine that there are, what, 100 suit BPO's out there? Hardly anything.
And no, it wouldn't stop being a player-driven market, but by interfering, CCP show that they are willing to interfere in player's affairs, no matter how underhanded the tactics. For example, research BoB. A whole alliance was dissolved because one of the directors was disillusioned and then was bribed to dissolve the alliance.
And don't compare that situation to CVA being dismantled. Completely different. CCP DON'T get involved in the player interactions with each other, and that includes the market. Your choice to buy BPOs at 400 Aur and sell at 10k. Fine. Don't complain about something that benefits you. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
417
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:07:00 -
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Seems as you would only make a profit is if CCP allows us to sell BPO on the market place...if and when we get one. |
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
410
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:09:00 -
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Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:09:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.
By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well.
Now where does it say you can sell items for Aurum once the market is enabled proof or otherwise this is just another rumor post that should be locked |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
75
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:19:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.
By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well.
AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back.
Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune.
It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them. |
Tenchu-13
What The French CRONOS.
91
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:28:00 -
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You're not the only one that has stocked up on items before the pricechange. I did so for 1 reason and 1 reason only.. make a profit when the playersmarket comes.
Even do we won't be able to sell items for AUR (not 100% sure about this, but nobody has any proof stating otherwise neither... and it simply seems the best way to go for CCP), I know it will be more then worth my few invested AUR.
30/60 AUR items costed up to 11.800 AU the day after... everybody that was informed, and had the smallest interest in trading would have done the same... stock the hell up in items. If they didn't make me buy them 1 by 1 on the last day i would have invested shitloads more.... It was just to big a hazzle in the end. I got around 10 of everything, on 2 chars and I know that those items will either get me a quick amount of ISk in the future or they will come in hand for future newbies in the corp...
As stated in other posts EVE's economy is 100% in the hands of the players, and in that perspective I invested in those items - Dust going in that direction. Resetting any AUR transaction is therefor out of the question in my opinion. I hated what they did with the UVT's... they better not make that mistake twice.
And I can't remember who said it, but WE are not RIPPING off the newbies... we are taking advantage of Dust's economy. We all knew long in advance that the AUR prices would rise... and so they did - and therefore we can now make some profit... |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
988
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:48:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care. I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded.
GMs and devs from CCP have stated over and over again that all AUR items will be purchasable on the market with ISK, but I have seen nothing about straight currency exchange. |
Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
80
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:01:00 -
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Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
952
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Give back the SP you got from buying boosters.
They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
952
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
952
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:05:00 -
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Delanus Turgias wrote:Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass.
Just to point it out, militia dropsuits were 400AUR and are now 12000 AUR
Guns were 40AUR and are now 4000-8000AUR
That's still a x100 increase in price. So it makes just as much over the top profit. I was only using one example that I bought it for. Other people have 100s of Shotgun BPOs, they bought for 40 each and are going to sell for in the 1000s
WHAT, how can people be ok with this? they should of done stuff lke that in a closed beta not an open beta. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
952
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:07:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.
By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them.
Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item.
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