DUST Search - AUR resert needs to happen

crazy space 1 wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.

They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR

Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?

Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone.
I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.

Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.

By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well.

AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back.

Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune.

It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them.

Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item.

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Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 589	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:12:00 - [31] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give back the SP you got from buying boosters. They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. If they can do that then sure, sucks for anyone who lost a proto suit to the black screen of derp a few days ago.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 05:33:00 - [32] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give back the SP you got from buying boosters. They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. If they can do that then sure, sucks for anyone who lost a proto suit to the black screen of derp a few days ago. You know they could also just refund all AUR spent on the BPOs before the price change and remove them from the game I'm ok with that as well
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 139	Posted - 2013.03.25 05:41:00 - [33] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: becuase it was only available to closed beta testers little head start, and that's completely unfair. Devs will not reply to you here. Take it to customer support and dispute Aur there... forum posting won't bring you anywhere.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 87	Posted - 2013.03.25 06:23:00 - [34] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them. Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item. Been playing the market with PLEX in Eve for years now. PLEX is what is used to get aurum, and it is purchased with real money. It can also be traded for isk, if you find a willing buyer. Your perspective on the situation is incorrect. They really don't care.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:46:00 - [35] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass. Just to point it out, militia dropsuits were 400AUR and are now 12000 AUR Guns were 40AUR and are now 4000-8000AUR That's still a x100 increase in price. So it makes just as much over the top profit. I was only using one example that I bought it for. Other people have 100s of Shotgun BPOs, they bought for 40 each and are going to sell for in the 1000s WHAT, how can people be ok with this? they should of done stuff lke that in a closed beta not an open beta. No they weren't. Not ever. The militia suit BPOs were 4800 and now they're 6800(?), and all the guns and modules were 20 to 30, nothing more. And the T1 BPOs were 12800 and are now 19000(?). And dude, you need to stop talking. You don't know what you're talking about, and I doubt you were there for closed beta if you can't remember simple **** like this. And for the record, guns are 11800 AUR, not 4000-8000. And dude, I don't care about the AUR inflation. I highly doubt the BPOs will be sellable at all.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 425	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:20:00 - [36] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK.
Odayian Dust Bunny One-Armed Bandits Hopeless Addiction 31	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:00:00 - [37] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. The only exception to this rule are the Aurum tokens which you can place on the market for ISK which helps keep a bit of balance between the supply/demand of cosmetic goods. For the Dust market, I don't see us getting any access to said tokens. Now with those BPOs you bought dirt cheap, you might receive a stockpile of ISK in comparison to someone else who purchased at full price. The other balance to that are the number of users that bought everything the week before "open beta" officially opened.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 955	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:04:00 - [38] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. oh I thought you could trade it in person to person windows, never mind. It's just plex. As long as people aren't going to be able to make a butt load of AUR then the games not in danger of destabilizing.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 427	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:06:00 - [39] - Quote Odayian Dust Bunny wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. The only exception to this rule are the Aurum tokens which you can place on the market for ISK which helps keep a bit of balance between the supply/demand of cosmetic goods. For the Dust market, I don't see us getting any access to said tokens. Now with those BPOs you bought dirt cheap, you might receive a stockpile of ISK in comparison to someone else who purchased at full price. The other balance to that are the number of users that bought everything the week before "open beta" officially opened. The OP can't generate an Aurum token to sell on the market. There is no Aurum trade except from CCP to us. The best he can do is sell off his blueprints for ISK. Granted, he may be able to make a nice amount of ISK doing so but it's not the first time players can taken advantage of game changes to earn money.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 515	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:18:00 - [40] - Quote They said they were going to up the price in a couple days, and they upped the price a few days later. We were all shocked at how much the increase was, but the BPO militia gear was comically underpriced in retrospect. (~$5 got you the full compliment of BPO gear instead of one thing.) I am completely failing to see a significant problem, here.

Mat Auty R.I.f.t 1	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote I doubt you will be able to sell Aur items for Aur you cant do it in EvE and i doubt you will be able to do it here I myself stocked up on bpos items solely to sell for the purposes of isk An Aurum reset shouldn't happen theres too many complications in doing it
Legen-Wait for It-Dairy OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:41:00 - [42] - Quote I don't see what the issue is here tbh. For many months prior to open beta, the big question was "What are we gonna get for being testers during the closed beta portion?". Besides the experience, skinweave suits, 'Exile' AR, etc., as a reward for being in the closed beta, we also got to purchase these militia BPOs at a super discounted rate. So now you're complaining about a reward you were given for being a closed beta tester? Guess you can't make some people happy If it's such a big deal to you, email CCP and have them take the AUR difference from you to match current prices.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 222	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:49:00 - [43] - Quote Legen-Wait for It-Dairy wrote: I don't see what the issue is here tbh. For many months prior to open beta, the big question was "What are we gonna get for being testers during the closed beta portion?". Besides the experience, skinweave suits, 'Exile' AR, etc., as a reward for being in the closed beta, we also got to purchase these militia BPOs at a super discounted rate. So now you're complaining about a reward you were given for being a closed beta tester? Guess you can't make some people happy If it's such a big deal to you, email CCP and have them take the AUR difference from you to match current prices. What he said ^^
Buster Friently Rosen Association 174	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:42:00 - [44] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. I likee how you think you're going to be able to sell those bpos for aurum. You won't. Assuming many other players have done as you have, those bpo's won't be worth nearly as much as you expect for a good long while.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 684	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:59:00 - [45] - Quote The only sensible option is for transactions in the player run market will be ISK transactions only. The sssumption that you would be able to purchase AUR from the Playstation Store to buy items from other players with is bit of a stretch.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:12:00 - [46] - Quote bumping So it's a good thing you won't be able to trade AUR to other players, I still think per open beta BPOs should be removed and refunded but that's just me it makes the game look bad, imo.
Kasuko Raideaux CERULEAN HEIGHTS 1	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:37:00 - [47] - Quote Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market.
Nguruthos IX Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:40:00 - [48] - Quote a million isk isn't that much. I'd rather a few players who wanted to spend 200$ supporting CCP get their 20 million ISK (could be earned in a day in dust) and with eve connection it's nickles and dimes. An AUR reset would mean way too many other problems. It is NOT worth it. (for transparency I have nothing to sell from AUR)
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:50:00 - [49] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: a million isk isn't that much. I'd rather a few players who wanted to spend 200$ supporting CCP get their 20 million ISK (could be earned in a day in dust) and with eve connection it's nickles and dimes. An AUR reset would mean way too many other problems. It is NOT worth it. (for transparency I have nothing to sell from AUR) I was talking about 1 million AUR :P but since I can't sell this stuff for AUR it would be for isk instead. The BPOs for shotguns for example. hey were 40 AUR now 4000AUR So hmmm I think I'll be making at least.... well whatever happens I'll be able to flood the market with cheap rpices and make billions of isk
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:52:00 - [50] - Quote Kasuko Raideaux wrote: Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market. um... These aren't BPOs thar can be used to create an endless sluppy of items. They are a single item. I've been playing eve since it was in beta, I know about the T2 BPOs. This is nothing like that T2 BPOs were not a mirco transaction item T2 BPOs in eve are not even similar at all to BPOs in dust

General Sideboob Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:59:00 - [51] - Quote You screwed up, dude.
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 119	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:14:00 - [52] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: [quote=Nguruthos IX] So hmmm I think I'll be making at least.... well whatever happens I'll be able to flood the market with cheap rpices and make billions of isk these items will have a really low isk value. when everyone was buying them like crazy I thought they were mad, even at those prices. There will be a surplus of supply and most players will have progressed beyond them being particularly useful.
DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2161	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:15:00 - [53] - Quote I didn't read this thread, so maybe someone said it....but....you'd be making ISK for selling those....not AUR....soooo....what exactly was your point again?
Kaze Eyrou Rogue Spades 97	Posted - 2013.03.27 22:28:00 - [54] - Quote EDIT: And then I scrolled up. Sometimes I suck at reading all the comments first...
Buster Friently Rosen Association 201	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:25:00 - [55] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Kasuko Raideaux wrote: Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market. um... These aren't BPOs thar can be used to create an endless sluppy of items. They are a single item. I've been playing eve since it was in beta, I know about the T2 BPOs. This is nothing like that T2 BPOs were not a mirco transaction item T2 BPOs in eve are not even similar at all to BPOs in dust Actually, BPOs in dust are basically the same as BPOs in EVE, unless you think that you're actually wearing a blueprint when you drop in to combat. It's just that the act of manufacture is currently abstracted away. I expect, at some point, manufacturing will be as integral a part of the Dust economy as it is in Eve.
Nirwanda Vaughns Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:37:00 - [56] - Quote I dont agree with the aur price changes on the militia bpos but you cant sell AUR items for AUR on the market only ISK. cant do it in EVE so wouldn't expect it in DUST. Anything bought with AUR though should be able to be sold for a lot of isk and where militia bpos are concerned peopel will know their true price so the isk price will reflect this meaning those who buy one now to sell for isk will just get a lower AUR:ISK conversion than those who bought the militia bpos in closed beta
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 473	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:40:00 - [57] - Quote why would their be an AUR reset if people already got items/skill points for using their AUR? why should they get to double dip by getting their pay 2 win money back?
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 102	Posted - 2013.03.28 00:46:00 - [58] - Quote Plz direct me to the post, where it states you will be able to sell items for AUR in the player market. AUR cannot be acquired in game. You will only be able to sell items for ISK.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 232	Posted - 2013.03.28 01:23:00 - [59] - Quote There will be an AUR reset. There has to be. There is no other way this makes sense. CCP will be sued left and right if they stick with the whole 'the move to tranquility was the commercial release' approach. They'll also lose customers. I was planning to buy another merc pack or two but have decided not to -- why would I in this ridiculous beta/commercial release environment? I'm also in the process of convincing the rest of my corp to stop buying them as well. It hasn't been difficult to do so with the first three I've spoken to who have all agreed it would be idiotic to do so right now (or in the future if this is the supposed commercial release).
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 102	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:28:00 - [60] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: There will be an AUR reset. There has to be. There is no other way this makes sense. CCP will be sued left and right if they stick with the whole 'the move to tranquility was the commercial release' approach. They'll also lose customers. I was planning to buy another merc pack or two but have decided not to -- why would I in this ridiculous beta/commercial release environment? I'm also in the process of convincing the rest of my corp to stop buying them as well. It hasn't been difficult to do so with the first three I've spoken to who have all agreed it would be idiotic to do so right now (or in the future if this is the supposed commercial release). A AUR reset would essentially require a SP reset. Which would **** off a ton of people. Screw your merc pack squabbles, I'd rather keep the time I've invested since the FINAL reset.



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