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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:26:00 -
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There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announced they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone.
I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 -
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becuase it was only available to closed beta testers little head start, and that's completely unfair.
Maybe I'm posting it now becuase when it happen only 2000 people played dust. Now it's got 100,000's of players, who was I going to tell back then? Newer players should be up in arms over this nonsense. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them.
But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults.
It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:38:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote: I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset!
IT Pay2Win all the way for me.
So you don't mind that because of CCP and for being in the closed beta, I will be getting for 20$, over 500$ of AUR? That doesn't **** you off that you couldn't have that opportunity? You think that's fair? Well ok if you say so.
Will people forgive CCP for anything? |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:44:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Crazy, it's a player-driven market. People with economics degrees have used EVE in studies in order to better learn market forces. DUST will be a player-driven market too.
What does that have to do with CCP changing the price of it's Mirco transaction store items? Those are prices set by CCP, If what your saying comes to light, then CCP won't sell a single AUR item ever again. Why buy this standard logi BPO for 12,000 AUR from CCP, when you could buy it from another players for 10,000!
That whole system is going to blow up in CCP's face. No one will purchase AUR BPOs anymore unless there are none left on the player market. Good bye profits.
Will dust no longer be a player driven market if they remove all AUR items apon release and refund everyone's AUR like they did last build?
But ok you've all shown me the way it's totaly ok that we closed beta tester get to rip you all off. |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:45:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game.
They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care.
I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Give back the SP you got from buying boosters.
They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR.
In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:05:00 -
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Delanus Turgias wrote:Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass.
Just to point it out, militia dropsuits were 400AUR and are now 12000 AUR
Guns were 40AUR and are now 4000-8000AUR
That's still a x100 increase in price. So it makes just as much over the top profit. I was only using one example that I bought it for. Other people have 100s of Shotgun BPOs, they bought for 40 each and are going to sell for in the 1000s
WHAT, how can people be ok with this? they should of done stuff lke that in a closed beta not an open beta. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:07:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit.
They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR
Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets?
Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone.
I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane.
Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.
By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them.
Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item.
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:33:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Give back the SP you got from buying boosters.
They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. If they can do that then sure, sucks for anyone who lost a proto suit to the black screen of derp a few days ago.
You know they could also just refund all AUR spent on the BPOs before the price change and remove them from the game I'm ok with that as well |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:04:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK.
oh I thought you could trade it in person to person windows, never mind. It's just plex.
As long as people aren't going to be able to make a butt load of AUR then the games not in danger of destabilizing. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:12:00 -
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bumping
So it's a good thing you won't be able to trade AUR to other players, I still think per open beta BPOs should be removed and refunded but that's just me it makes the game look bad, imo. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:a million isk isn't that much.
I'd rather a few players who wanted to spend 200$ supporting CCP get their 20 million ISK (could be earned in a day in dust) and with eve connection it's nickles and dimes.
An AUR reset would mean way too many other problems. It is NOT worth it.
(for transparency I have nothing to sell from AUR)
I was talking about 1 million AUR :P
but since I can't sell this stuff for AUR it would be for isk instead. The BPOs for shotguns for example. hey were 40 AUR now 4000AUR
So hmmm I think I'll be making at least.... well whatever happens I'll be able to flood the market with cheap rpices and make billions of isk |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:52:00 -
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Kasuko Raideaux wrote:Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment.
In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs.
That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope.
CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs.
TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market.
um... These aren't BPOs thar can be used to create an endless sluppy of items. They are a single item. I've been playing eve since it was in beta, I know about the T2 BPOs. This is nothing like that
T2 BPOs were not a mirco transaction item
T2 BPOs in eve are not even similar at all to BPOs in dust |
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