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crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:26:00 - [1] - Quote There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announced they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 807	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Why are you posting this now? they increased the price months ago.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 807	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 - [3] - Quote stupid double post
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 233	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote Why? You just said you can sell the BPO's for half the price. Profit much? It's not like you can sell AUR for real money.
Boomer Dues Mortis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote How so? It was your choice to buy those BPO's. I would be angry if they reset the AUR people used. People who bought all the bpos were smart because once you can buy the stuff for isk it will be worth a lot.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 - [6] - Quote becuase it was only available to closed beta testers little head start, and that's completely unfair. Maybe I'm posting it now becuase when it happen only 2000 people played dust. Now it's got 100,000's of players, who was I going to tell back then? Newer players should be up in arms over this nonsense.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens 314	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:33:00 - [7] - Quote I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game. They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 233	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 - [8] - Quote What Deadeyes said.
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 26	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 - [9] - Quote I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset! IT Pay2Win all the way for me.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game. They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up.

crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:38:00 - [11] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset! IT Pay2Win all the way for me. So you don't mind that because of CCP and for being in the closed beta, I will be getting for 20$, over 500$ of AUR? That doesn't **** you off that you couldn't have that opportunity? You think that's fair? Well ok if you say so. Will people forgive CCP for anything?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 233	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:38:00 - [12] - Quote Crazy, it's a player-driven market. People with economics degrees have used EVE in studies in order to better learn market forces. DUST will be a player-driven market too. Edit: It's not CCP's fault you have good market sense. Stop trying to take it out on CCP.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens 314	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:40:00 - [13] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game. They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Laheon wrote: Crazy, it's a player-driven market. People with economics degrees have used EVE in studies in order to better learn market forces. DUST will be a player-driven market too. What does that have to do with CCP changing the price of it's Mirco transaction store items? Those are prices set by CCP, If what your saying comes to light, then CCP won't sell a single AUR item ever again. Why buy this standard logi BPO for 12,000 AUR from CCP, when you could buy it from another players for 10,000! That whole system is going to blow up in CCP's face. No one will purchase AUR BPOs anymore unless there are none left on the player market. Good bye profits. Will dust no longer be a player driven market if they remove all AUR items apon release and refund everyone's AUR like they did last build? But ok you've all shown me the way it's totaly ok that we closed beta tester get to rip you all off.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 946	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:45:00 - [15] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game. They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care. I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 589	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:47:00 - [16] - Quote Give back the SP you got from buying boosters.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens 314	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:52:00 - [17] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded. I don't know for sure but letting players exchange money for in game currency has been one of the biggest successes for EvE. I would be shocked if they locked AUR down in Dust 514. Why not let that crazy rich guy spend a few thousand dollars so he can make his Corporation competitive. It also lets players who don't want to throw money into the game still get AUR items (at a much slower rate).
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 26	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:53:00 - [18] - Quote I work for my money. If i F* up in my investment then what, Bo Ho S* happen I move on.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 233	Posted - 2013.03.24 22:01:00 - [19] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: What does that have to do with CCP changing the price of it's Mirco transaction store items? Those are prices set by CCP, If what your saying comes to light, then CCP won't sell a single AUR item ever again. Why buy this standard logi BPO for 12,000 AUR from CCP, when you could buy it from another players for 10,000! That whole system is going to blow up in CCP's face. No one will purchase AUR BPOs anymore unless there are none left on the player market. Good bye profits. Will dust no longer be a player driven market if they remove all AUR items apon release and refund everyone's AUR like they did last build? But ok you've all shown me the way it's totaly ok that we closed beta tester get to rip you all off. Yes, but there's a finite supply of player-provided items. Seriously, you need to learn some basic economics. Supply and demand. I can imagine that there are, what, 100 suit BPO's out there? Hardly anything. And no, it wouldn't stop being a player-driven market, but by interfering, CCP show that they are willing to interfere in player's affairs, no matter how underhanded the tactics. For example, research BoB. A whole alliance was dissolved because one of the directors was disillusioned and then was bribed to dissolve the alliance. And don't compare that situation to CVA being dismantled. Completely different. CCP DON'T get involved in the player interactions with each other, and that includes the market. Your choice to buy BPOs at 400 Aur and sell at 10k. Fine. Don't complain about something that benefits you.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 417	Posted - 2013.03.24 22:07:00 - [20] - Quote Seems as you would only make a profit is if CCP allows us to sell BPO on the market place...if and when we get one.

Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 410	Posted - 2013.03.24 22:09:00 - [21] - Quote Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 174	Posted - 2013.03.24 22:09:00 - [22] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. Now where does it say you can sell items for Aurum once the market is enabled proof or otherwise this is just another rumor post that should be locked
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 75	Posted - 2013.03.24 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them.
Tenchu-13 What The French CRONOS. 91	Posted - 2013.03.24 23:28:00 - [24] - Quote You're not the only one that has stocked up on items before the pricechange. I did so for 1 reason and 1 reason only.. make a profit when the playersmarket comes. Even do we won't be able to sell items for AUR (not 100% sure about this, but nobody has any proof stating otherwise neither... and it simply seems the best way to go for CCP), I know it will be more then worth my few invested AUR. 30/60 AUR items costed up to 11.800 AU the day after... everybody that was informed, and had the smallest interest in trading would have done the same... stock the hell up in items. If they didn't make me buy them 1 by 1 on the last day i would have invested shitloads more.... It was just to big a hazzle in the end. I got around 10 of everything, on 2 chars and I know that those items will either get me a quick amount of ISk in the future or they will come in hand for future newbies in the corp... As stated in other posts EVE's economy is 100% in the hands of the players, and in that perspective I invested in those items - Dust going in that direction. Resetting any AUR transaction is therefor out of the question in my opinion. I hated what they did with the UVT's... they better not make that mistake twice. And I can't remember who said it, but WE are not RIPPING off the newbies... we are taking advantage of Dust's economy. We all knew long in advance that the AUR prices would rise... and so they did - and therefore we can now make some profit...
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 988	Posted - 2013.03.24 23:48:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: I expect to see the BPO's level out around 1000-3000AUR tops once player trading opens up and everyone realizes how overpriced and useless they are in the current state of the game. They replace the cost of a ~500 isk item. To save a million isk with a BPO you need to die 2,000 times. Luckily if you are running bad BPO gear you probably will die a ton so maybe you can feel good about all that AUR you spent on them. But people will still need to buy them of the market. Or CCP won't make a profit. Another reason to not let the market be overrun by the cheap built up BPOs siting in peoples vaults. It's not polished or professional, it's messy and CCP should clean it up. I suppose it's true letting a massive amount of BPO's out dirt cheap is probably bad, however I suspect that 85-90% of the AUR is spent on boosters, and this will be the case for a while. When all the best gear has no AUR version and is massively ISK expensive the only real reason to buy AUR is to use boosters. I also expect to see the AUR to ISK market rise when players realize the VK1's are vastly superior to the Neo's. Much like EvE I think the Dust market will be players primarily buying AUR and selling it for ISK to players who use that AUR for boosters. So have they kind of screwed players with BPO's, sure. However that's going to be such a minor part of the economy I doubt many players will really care. I guess the question is then, will CCP even let us trade AUR with other players? If not then maybe my fears are unfounded. GMs and devs from CCP have stated over and over again that all AUR items will be purchasable on the market with ISK, but I have seen nothing about straight currency exchange.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:01:00 - [26] - Quote Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 - [27] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Give back the SP you got from buying boosters. They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:02:00 - [28] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to?
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:05:00 - [29] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass. Just to point it out, militia dropsuits were 400AUR and are now 12000 AUR Guns were 40AUR and are now 4000-8000AUR That's still a x100 increase in price. So it makes just as much over the top profit. I was only using one example that I bought it for. Other people have 100s of Shotgun BPOs, they bought for 40 each and are going to sell for in the 1000s WHAT, how can people be ok with this? they should of done stuff lke that in a closed beta not an open beta.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:07:00 - [30] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them. Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item.

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 589	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:12:00 - [31] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give back the SP you got from buying boosters. They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. If they can do that then sure, sucks for anyone who lost a proto suit to the black screen of derp a few days ago.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 952	Posted - 2013.03.25 05:33:00 - [32] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give back the SP you got from buying boosters. They can reset only the AUR spent on items. Boosters don't need to be refunded because there won't be a sp reset. If they can do that then sure, sucks for anyone who lost a proto suit to the black screen of derp a few days ago. You know they could also just refund all AUR spent on the BPOs before the price change and remove them from the game I'm ok with that as well
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 139	Posted - 2013.03.25 05:41:00 - [33] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: becuase it was only available to closed beta testers little head start, and that's completely unfair. Devs will not reply to you here. Take it to customer support and dispute Aur there... forum posting won't bring you anywhere.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 87	Posted - 2013.03.25 06:23:00 - [34] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. AUR isn't real money. It's fake money you bought with real money. You are not getting your real money back. Playing the market has been a real thing in Eve for some time now. I can assure you personally that CCP really doesn't care. Congratulations on your presumed good fortune. It is a shame that militia BPO's are only useful to newbies and incredibly stupid players, both of which have trouble using the market. I hope you can sell them. Playing the market in eve is done with isk. and the difference in price is set by a player run economy. This is a price change during closed beta but after final reset of AUR. This is not a price set my demand it was the price of a cash shop item. Been playing the market with PLEX in Eve for years now. PLEX is what is used to get aurum, and it is purchased with real money. It can also be traded for isk, if you find a willing buyer. Your perspective on the situation is incorrect. They really don't care.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:46:00 - [35] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Hey, tardos, just a reminder, the militia BPOs were twenty to thirty AUR a pop. Not 400. I don't know where you kids are pulling those numbers from, but I assume it's your ass. Just to point it out, militia dropsuits were 400AUR and are now 12000 AUR Guns were 40AUR and are now 4000-8000AUR That's still a x100 increase in price. So it makes just as much over the top profit. I was only using one example that I bought it for. Other people have 100s of Shotgun BPOs, they bought for 40 each and are going to sell for in the 1000s WHAT, how can people be ok with this? they should of done stuff lke that in a closed beta not an open beta. No they weren't. Not ever. The militia suit BPOs were 4800 and now they're 6800(?), and all the guns and modules were 20 to 30, nothing more. And the T1 BPOs were 12800 and are now 19000(?). And dude, you need to stop talking. You don't know what you're talking about, and I doubt you were there for closed beta if you can't remember simple **** like this. And for the record, guns are 11800 AUR, not 4000-8000. And dude, I don't care about the AUR inflation. I highly doubt the BPOs will be sellable at all.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 425	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:20:00 - [36] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK.
Odayian Dust Bunny One-Armed Bandits Hopeless Addiction 31	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:00:00 - [37] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. The only exception to this rule are the Aurum tokens which you can place on the market for ISK which helps keep a bit of balance between the supply/demand of cosmetic goods. For the Dust market, I don't see us getting any access to said tokens. Now with those BPOs you bought dirt cheap, you might receive a stockpile of ISK in comparison to someone else who purchased at full price. The other balance to that are the number of users that bought everything the week before "open beta" officially opened.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 955	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:04:00 - [38] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. oh I thought you could trade it in person to person windows, never mind. It's just plex. As long as people aren't going to be able to make a butt load of AUR then the games not in danger of destabilizing.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 427	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:06:00 - [39] - Quote Odayian Dust Bunny wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Not sure if you meant it this way or not but you're not going to be able to sell anything for AUR. In eve online you can, what makes you think you won't be able to? You can't sell anything in EVE for Aurum. You can only sell for ISK. The only exception to this rule are the Aurum tokens which you can place on the market for ISK which helps keep a bit of balance between the supply/demand of cosmetic goods. For the Dust market, I don't see us getting any access to said tokens. Now with those BPOs you bought dirt cheap, you might receive a stockpile of ISK in comparison to someone else who purchased at full price. The other balance to that are the number of users that bought everything the week before "open beta" officially opened. The OP can't generate an Aurum token to sell on the market. There is no Aurum trade except from CCP to us. The best he can do is sell off his blueprints for ISK. Granted, he may be able to make a nice amount of ISK doing so but it's not the first time players can taken advantage of game changes to earn money.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 515	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:18:00 - [40] - Quote They said they were going to up the price in a couple days, and they upped the price a few days later. We were all shocked at how much the increase was, but the BPO militia gear was comically underpriced in retrospect. (~$5 got you the full compliment of BPO gear instead of one thing.) I am completely failing to see a significant problem, here.

Mat Auty R.I.f.t 1	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote I doubt you will be able to sell Aur items for Aur you cant do it in EvE and i doubt you will be able to do it here I myself stocked up on bpos items solely to sell for the purposes of isk An Aurum reset shouldn't happen theres too many complications in doing it
Legen-Wait for It-Dairy OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:41:00 - [42] - Quote I don't see what the issue is here tbh. For many months prior to open beta, the big question was "What are we gonna get for being testers during the closed beta portion?". Besides the experience, skinweave suits, 'Exile' AR, etc., as a reward for being in the closed beta, we also got to purchase these militia BPOs at a super discounted rate. So now you're complaining about a reward you were given for being a closed beta tester? Guess you can't make some people happy If it's such a big deal to you, email CCP and have them take the AUR difference from you to match current prices.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 222	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:49:00 - [43] - Quote Legen-Wait for It-Dairy wrote: I don't see what the issue is here tbh. For many months prior to open beta, the big question was "What are we gonna get for being testers during the closed beta portion?". Besides the experience, skinweave suits, 'Exile' AR, etc., as a reward for being in the closed beta, we also got to purchase these militia BPOs at a super discounted rate. So now you're complaining about a reward you were given for being a closed beta tester? Guess you can't make some people happy If it's such a big deal to you, email CCP and have them take the AUR difference from you to match current prices. What he said ^^
Buster Friently Rosen Association 174	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:42:00 - [44] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. I likee how you think you're going to be able to sell those bpos for aurum. You won't. Assuming many other players have done as you have, those bpo's won't be worth nearly as much as you expect for a good long while.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 684	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:59:00 - [45] - Quote The only sensible option is for transactions in the player run market will be ISK transactions only. The sssumption that you would be able to purchase AUR from the Playstation Store to buy items from other players with is bit of a stretch.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:12:00 - [46] - Quote bumping So it's a good thing you won't be able to trade AUR to other players, I still think per open beta BPOs should be removed and refunded but that's just me it makes the game look bad, imo.
Kasuko Raideaux CERULEAN HEIGHTS 1	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:37:00 - [47] - Quote Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market.
Nguruthos IX Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:40:00 - [48] - Quote a million isk isn't that much. I'd rather a few players who wanted to spend 200$ supporting CCP get their 20 million ISK (could be earned in a day in dust) and with eve connection it's nickles and dimes. An AUR reset would mean way too many other problems. It is NOT worth it. (for transparency I have nothing to sell from AUR)
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:50:00 - [49] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: a million isk isn't that much. I'd rather a few players who wanted to spend 200$ supporting CCP get their 20 million ISK (could be earned in a day in dust) and with eve connection it's nickles and dimes. An AUR reset would mean way too many other problems. It is NOT worth it. (for transparency I have nothing to sell from AUR) I was talking about 1 million AUR :P but since I can't sell this stuff for AUR it would be for isk instead. The BPOs for shotguns for example. hey were 40 AUR now 4000AUR So hmmm I think I'll be making at least.... well whatever happens I'll be able to flood the market with cheap rpices and make billions of isk
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 970	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:52:00 - [50] - Quote Kasuko Raideaux wrote: Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market. um... These aren't BPOs thar can be used to create an endless sluppy of items. They are a single item. I've been playing eve since it was in beta, I know about the T2 BPOs. This is nothing like that T2 BPOs were not a mirco transaction item T2 BPOs in eve are not even similar at all to BPOs in dust

General Sideboob Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:59:00 - [51] - Quote You screwed up, dude.
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 119	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:14:00 - [52] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: [quote=Nguruthos IX] So hmmm I think I'll be making at least.... well whatever happens I'll be able to flood the market with cheap rpices and make billions of isk these items will have a really low isk value. when everyone was buying them like crazy I thought they were mad, even at those prices. There will be a surplus of supply and most players will have progressed beyond them being particularly useful.
DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2161	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:15:00 - [53] - Quote I didn't read this thread, so maybe someone said it....but....you'd be making ISK for selling those....not AUR....soooo....what exactly was your point again?
Kaze Eyrou Rogue Spades 97	Posted - 2013.03.27 22:28:00 - [54] - Quote EDIT: And then I scrolled up. Sometimes I suck at reading all the comments first...
Buster Friently Rosen Association 201	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:25:00 - [55] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Kasuko Raideaux wrote: Sounds like you don't know about the T2 BPOs that are in EVE at the moment. In EVE there used to be Tech 2 BPOs awarded via a lottery. However CCP decided to change it to a BPC system. However the did not remove the already in the game BPOs. That means that in EVE right now there are really rich people that own one of these BPOs and they can officially make these Tech 2 items cheaper then ANYONE using the new BPC system could ever hope. CCP has not and will not remove these BPOs. TL;DR Sounds like someone needs to learn about the open market. um... These aren't BPOs thar can be used to create an endless sluppy of items. They are a single item. I've been playing eve since it was in beta, I know about the T2 BPOs. This is nothing like that T2 BPOs were not a mirco transaction item T2 BPOs in eve are not even similar at all to BPOs in dust Actually, BPOs in dust are basically the same as BPOs in EVE, unless you think that you're actually wearing a blueprint when you drop in to combat. It's just that the act of manufacture is currently abstracted away. I expect, at some point, manufacturing will be as integral a part of the Dust economy as it is in Eve.
Nirwanda Vaughns Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:37:00 - [56] - Quote I dont agree with the aur price changes on the militia bpos but you cant sell AUR items for AUR on the market only ISK. cant do it in EVE so wouldn't expect it in DUST. Anything bought with AUR though should be able to be sold for a lot of isk and where militia bpos are concerned peopel will know their true price so the isk price will reflect this meaning those who buy one now to sell for isk will just get a lower AUR:ISK conversion than those who bought the militia bpos in closed beta
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 473	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:40:00 - [57] - Quote why would their be an AUR reset if people already got items/skill points for using their AUR? why should they get to double dip by getting their pay 2 win money back?
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 102	Posted - 2013.03.28 00:46:00 - [58] - Quote Plz direct me to the post, where it states you will be able to sell items for AUR in the player market. AUR cannot be acquired in game. You will only be able to sell items for ISK.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 232	Posted - 2013.03.28 01:23:00 - [59] - Quote There will be an AUR reset. There has to be. There is no other way this makes sense. CCP will be sued left and right if they stick with the whole 'the move to tranquility was the commercial release' approach. They'll also lose customers. I was planning to buy another merc pack or two but have decided not to -- why would I in this ridiculous beta/commercial release environment? I'm also in the process of convincing the rest of my corp to stop buying them as well. It hasn't been difficult to do so with the first three I've spoken to who have all agreed it would be idiotic to do so right now (or in the future if this is the supposed commercial release).
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 102	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:28:00 - [60] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: There will be an AUR reset. There has to be. There is no other way this makes sense. CCP will be sued left and right if they stick with the whole 'the move to tranquility was the commercial release' approach. They'll also lose customers. I was planning to buy another merc pack or two but have decided not to -- why would I in this ridiculous beta/commercial release environment? I'm also in the process of convincing the rest of my corp to stop buying them as well. It hasn't been difficult to do so with the first three I've spoken to who have all agreed it would be idiotic to do so right now (or in the future if this is the supposed commercial release). A AUR reset would essentially require a SP reset. Which would **** off a ton of people. Screw your merc pack squabbles, I'd rather keep the time I've invested since the FINAL reset.

Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 319	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:40:00 - [61] - Quote Oh jesus. Necro, don't necro threads. It's not cool.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2204	Posted - 2013.03.29 19:35:00 - [62] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Plz direct me to the post, where it states you will be able to sell items for AUR in the player market. AUR cannot be acquired in game. You will only be able to sell items for ISK. We still don't have an answer to this question.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 104	Posted - 2013.03.29 23:48:00 - [63] - Quote Laheon wrote: Oh jesus. Necro, don't necro threads. It's not cool. I replied to a post from yesterday, & the thread is less than a week old. How is this necro posting?
Chojine Dentetsu Academy Inferno 6	Posted - 2013.04.05 23:36:00 - [64] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: I put more then 250$ on this game and will say no to AUR reset! IT Pay2Win all the way for me. So you don't mind that because of CCP and for being in the closed beta, I will be getting for 20$, over 500$ of AUR? That doesn't **** you off that you couldn't have that opportunity? You think that's fair? Well ok if you say so. Will people forgive CCP for anything? If people have a ton of Milita BPO's, meh...sell them all they want, they may make some decent ISK...ultimately, people aren't going to pay head over heels for MLT BPO's... If it had been different and they had Advanced / Proto BPO's for a really low price, and had stocked up...yeah, i'd be miffed. As it stands, you're essentially moaning that your neighbor has bought all the baked beans in the store and is trying to sell them back to you...when you would rather have pork and beans, if you get me...MLT / ADV = beans / Pork n beans?
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 21	Posted - 2013.04.06 03:56:00 - [65] - Quote so many things are wrong with what op has said. 1 changing the price of a product is not resetting anything. they told you they would change the price. 2 you will not get 1mill aur. you can not and will not ever be allowed to trade aur. only goods you have bought with it. you will get the value of 1mill in goods. 3 what will you do with your new found richs. erm i dunno could try funding a war effort when planetry conquest comes out.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.04.06 10:40:00 - [66] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Edit* another fix is to just remove all militia BPOs bought before the price change and refund THAT AUR. There are people, myself included who stocked up on miltia BPOs when they were going to be increased in price. Now when I heard they were going to increase the price they didn't say how much but I knew it might be a good idea to get at least a small profit. They increased the price from in some cases, from as low as 400AUR to 12,000 AUR Now listen, this isn't ingame isk. This is real world funds. How could CCP have the balls to make a change like this after announcing they consider it more or less a released beta with no more resets? Especially on my 2nd account which had all of it's merc pack AUR just spent on BPOs and I also know I'm not alone. I don't feel guilty or like I'm cheating, I'm foillowing the rules, and didn't even know how much the price would go up by. I think the rules set by CCP are insane. Other than AUR spent on boosters people should be able to expect a full AUR reset at the end of beta. It's the only logical move. By the way for my 20$ merc pack I will be making about 1,000,000 AUR, So thanks CCP. And this character will make a ton of AUR as well. I bought the mercenary pack months ago, i didn-¦t see the change in prices, i haven-¦t bought any BPO at discount price with all the AUR i had, and i-¦m not compaining. Come first serve first, HTFU.
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.04.06 12:17:00 - [67] - Quote Consider the BPO winfall to be payment for helping CCP test and develop the game for wider release. I really don't think anyone gives a crap...
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 416	Posted - 2013.04.06 12:57:00 - [68] - Quote Oh my gawd. Look at the post at the top of the page. This thread had died. No one had posted in it in about a week - you must have gone back to page 5 to get to this thread. THREAD IS DEAD. LEAVE IT ALONE.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 778	Posted - 2013.04.08 04:47:00 - [69] - Quote Let sleeping moonlight butterflies lie.


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