Admittedly, small benefits, but every advantage makes the difference.

Ok, that sounds like a valid answer. Though I still don't get why I see them in pub matches, corp matches I would understand.

Info taken from here.

Damage
Gek-38: 32.5
Duvolle: 34.1

Accuracy
Gek-38: 56.6
Duvolle: 57.2

CPU
Gek-38: 47
Duvolle: 90

PG
Gek-38: 6
Duvolle: 13

Skill required
Gek-38: Assault Rifle Operation III
Duvolle: Assault Rifle Operation V

ISK
Gek-38: 17640
Duvolle: 53640

The rest of the specs are the same on both rifles.

So for 36,000 ISK and a ton of skill points you are essentially buying 1.6 HP of more damage and 0.6 points of more accuracy.
Surely there has to be something I'm missing here or I wouldn't be seeing so many Duvolles on the battlefield.

You know,I was going to say that once you do the math of adding damage mods and putting skills up in your weaponry,that it would make a bigger difference,but in all honesty,looking at it mathematically,it really doesn't.

Getting an extra 20% from combining weaponry lvl 5 and adding a complex damage mod,is only a 1.96 increase in hp damage.So the question is where is that extra damage coming from? The answer is sharpshooter.

I know there are people that have the hard numbers,but sharpshooter will give you an extra damage boost for hitting people inside the effective range.So instead of getting 100% damage,it will show as 120%,if I'm not mistaken,and even more with headshots,so those extra boosts add up fast.

Also,there are a lot of people that are into their assault rifle proficiency skill,which gives an extra 3% damage per level,so there's another 15% if you can max that out.Funny thing is that after all of that,you are only getting a 2.2425 increase with the DuVolle.

I guess when it comes down to it,you still have to hit your target and try to avoid getting hit,which at that point,won't matter which gun you are using.

multiplied by a full mag of 60 rounds, that's a lot.

2046 damage without any skill bonuses.
Which is just enough to kill a proto heavy.

I think we can all agree that GEK's are bloody fun. Finally upgraded to one last night and immediately noticed a dramatic difference in firepower and personal survivability. +1 for GEKs!

Also, the Duv has like zero kick. The GEK jumps around a lot (even with AR LV5), and that can make a difference at med to long range. The Duv is like shooting the laser, so staying on target is way easier... especially at longer ranges.

I've read mostly everything here and I consider myself a decent assault. So ill share my input, the assault rifles DMG does not need to change. I think ccp did alright the issue is a regular ar is more stable than a proto ar. Some say it does more damage that explains it, but I disagree for two reasons the adv ar only does what 1.6 more than the proto I don't think that justifies its massive shake. And also you'll almost about a mil sp to go from adv to proto u would think in those skills a soldier would learn to be more stable not less...

You know,I was going to say that once you do the math of adding damage mods and putting skills up in your weaponry,that it would make a bigger difference,but in all honesty,looking at it mathematically,it really doesn't.

Getting an extra 20% from combining weaponry lvl 5 and adding a complex damage mod,is only a 1.96 increase in hp damage.So the question is where is that extra damage coming from? The answer is sharpshooter.

I know there are people that have the hard numbers,but sharpshooter will give you an extra damage boost for hitting people inside the effective range.So instead of getting 100% damage,it will show as 120%,if I'm not mistaken,and even more with headshots,so those extra boosts add up fast.

Also,there are a lot of people that are into their assault rifle proficiency skill,which gives an extra 3% damage per level,so there's another 15% if you can max that out.Funny thing is that after all of that,you are only getting a 2.2425 increase with the DuVolle.

I guess when it comes down to it,you still have to hit your target and try to avoid getting hit,which at that point,won't matter which gun you are using.

20% on the Duvolle adds 6.82 damage, not 1.96. Adding proficiency V to get 35% gets you 11.93 damage.

Not quite. Damage modifiers doesn't stack quite like that. It would be 32.5 x 1.2 x 1.15. Adds up to 12.96 damage, not 11.93.

GEK adds 10.4 damage in comparison.

EVE has always worked by multiplying the modifiers together. For example, a hulk can mine up to 1546 m3. 360 x 1.75 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.15 x 1.09 x 1.09.

Base amount x Mining V x Astrogeology V x (2x hulk mining bonuses) x (2x mining yield mods).

Modifiers stack instead of being added together.

20% on the Duvolle adds 6.82 damage, not 1.96. Adding proficiency V to get 35% gets you 11.93 damage.

Not quite. Damage modifiers doesn't stack quite like that. It would be 32.5 x 1.2 x 1.15. Adds up to 12.96 damage, not 11.93.

GEK adds 10.4 damage in comparison.

No one said anything about stacking damage mods,rather just the total output of one complex light damage mod coupled with weaponry V.

Aye, and I added AR Prof V on top of that. So it would be 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.15. No stacking of modules, just modifiers.

Edit: If you didn't have AR prof V, you'd just have a difference of 1.94, as previously stated. With AR Prof V, you'd have a difference between the Duvolle and the GEK of 2.23.

[quote=Laheon]2.2425 to be exact,if my math is correct.

PS: nerf the laser rifle, I can't kill the lasers man with my nova knife.

People cry when they can't handle some situation so CCP Thor use his "Nerf hammer" and all the game get reset to 0 again. People with good gameplay will kill you with an Exile, with a Duvolle or a Gek.

People that can afford the isk cost of the proto things, use them. Because men, you want to make worth all the sp spended in the skills. Even if using a 200k proto suit has no difference with a class B with a Gek.

If you're a good player, you will be good with an advance as a proto suit. There is not a good difference between both, just the ISK difference that is stupid. But I think is better to see "Michelle Obama kills you with a Duvolle assault rifle" instead "Michelle Obama kills you with a stupid militia assault rifle".

Sorry for the english. See you.

PS: nerf the laser rifle, I can't kill the lasers man with my nova knife.

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to data-mine the usage of all weapons/fittings as the Eve Online team does, let alone show that information publicly.
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This statement is so funny it hurts.

CCP/Shanghai has yet to do Any math correctly! How could they match what you got if you did get the math right?

Seriously, look at Skills for almost anything. Their numbers are normally off by one. Add that up over several items and it amazes me any of these things actually are beneficial. Try CPU or PG values. Always off by one.

Just to make it worse you are all doing the match ... incorrectly.

Damage is Weapon Damage * ((Weaponry Level * 5) + (Weapon Proficiency Level * whatever) + (Damage Mod1 to Mod N)).

All those extra multipliers are what might happen but so far the documentation regarding stacking is they are additive before they are multiplied.

All those extra multipliers are what might happen but so far the documentation regarding stacking is they are additive before they are multiplied.

Was under the impression that the Duvolle kicks like crazy.

Admittedly,this is true.Just look at the blast radius for locus grenades.Since when does 6 meters equal 6 feet?