Drive smarter.

Have Infantry escort.

Also as crazy space puts it, why balance now?

Everything we have right now is going out the airlock in terms of balance.

The reason it's like this is because the newberries are complaining that they cant solo some of the strongest tanks, and win by using the weakest AV weapons in the game.

"waaaa I cant kill that sagaris with my militia swarms, make it so I can! waaaa!"

However, as it stands now. Most pub teams aren't really able to muster up the teamwork to kill a single STD, or proto tank. they need a specialized member to do that.


this works immensely.

You can solo a tank, theoredically (according to your breakdown) but how long will it take? You have plenty of time to get out of harm's way. You can kill 2 infantry guys faster than they can kill you if they synced.

its actually easy to solo an armor tank due to how ez mode anti armor AV is
lock on lolswarms
lock on lolAVnades

not one character in the game has enough skill points to be driving a tank right now. they should be easy for any squad to kill.

not one character in the game has enough skill points to be driving a tank right now. they should be easy for any squad to kill.

You can solo a tank, theoredically (according to your breakdown) but how long will it take? You have plenty of time to get out of harm's way. You can kill 2 infantry guys faster than they can kill you if they synced.

You can't solo good tankers...so easily. If that were the case, you would never see tanks in pub matches

with a proto assault forgegun and 3 damage mods it will take only 10 secs to take down a shield tank (sagaris with best modules). cause forgegun operation reduces the time of the chargeup with each lvl. And that same guy allmost 2 shoted a fairly decent gunnlogi from one of my mates.

you haven't come up against exmaple's or zitro's tanks have you? while in terms of stats your right, neither of them will let you live long enough to coordinate AV.

Hi I'm a dropship pilot.

Swarms vs lav: undeniably broken

Swarms vs dropships: pretty damn broken

Swarms vs tanks: absolutely fine

swarms vs lightly armored vehicles= broken to you? it is an anti-ARMOR weapon. it is meant to easily take out things that are lightly armored and with some effort take down more heavily armored foes.

Swarms vs lav: undeniably broken

Swarms vs dropships: pretty damn broken

Swarms vs tanks: absolutely fine

There's absolutely no balance between them, there isn't a lowee lock on time they don't have trouble tracking them and they deal full damage every time which even on standard ones is usually a ohk yet you call that balance?

any driver or pilot worth the title will be halfway across the field or have a car/ship that isn't crap and can tank a hit then book it out of there.

militia swarms(I use standard right now) kill militia armor. seems balanced to me.

One shotting any sort of armor is a pretty screwed up system, I call bull crap since they go faster than and can be shot from a vantage point which disallows said driver to escape. I use swarm launchers on a regular basis, you can't tell me what they are and aren't broken against

Realism =/= balance it's supposed to be an assault vehicle and therefore take some punishment which it would recieve on the frontline, justifying bullcrap kills and praising lucky occurences doesn't solve anything

really, so av should be what, puffs of fairy dust and prayers that the allmighty tank gods don't smite your sorry ass for even thinking to bear arms against their precious ultradeathmachines?

who cares there are 2 more AV weapons coming out, 24 new dropsuits, 2 more tanks and 3 more tank modules.

How can you judge and make suggestions to balance a a game that will soon more or less no exist? You have no idea the state of the internal build, so your suggestions can't even be brought to the table.

Are you daft or what? I'm saying it should be less effective vs lavs and dses, not nerfed to being useless against tanks

why? they are free fits, should free fits give you god status? last I checked you fire a missile into virtually any car made today, it will be in a whole lotta pieces. now, step up both by a factor of a few hundred years(at the explosive growth rate of science and tech, that's probably what we're looking at.) and guess what, now you have a light vehicle that can take 4 missiles before exploding. I'd say that's progress. and note that all 4 missiles do have to hit for the kill unless you stacked damage mods out the ass.

Every lav I come across (which includes standard are maxed at taking 2 shots before dying. In no way is any lav god mode, even after taking Av and other vehicles out of the equation

You can't solo good tankers...so easily. If that were the case, you would never see tanks in pub matches

Allright im going to silence now the fools who keep crying cause of tanks. There are different methods to take out tanks and in my opinion tanks are to weak at the moment. Why? lets see:

-Armor tanks:
slow moving, weak against explosive damage.
-most effective wepon: Proto swarm launcher with 3 damage mods (damage per volley around 3000HP)
-volleys to actually kill a maxed out surya apporx: 4
means you can solo a tank without reloading!

Shield tanks:
fast moving, lower HP then armor tanks, crappy recovery from alot of damage
-most effective weapon: Proto assault forgegun with 3 damage mods (damage per hit around 2400HP)
-hits to destroy a maxed out sagaris: 3-5 (depends on the fit and driver reaction time)
can aswell be soloed by a single AV guy!

This is not acceptable. AV is overpowered. This wouldnt be the case if we still would have our 25% resistance (passive) instead of the stupid 15% variants. And where ive got these stats from? From experience cause i used swarms against armor tanks and got today hit by a proto forgegun on a proto heavy while driving a sagaris (i survived that encounter barely). basically a proto heavy who spend around 290-300 grand ISK can solo a vehicle that cost 2 million isk +. I personally think that the price for a sagaris hull should drop by 50% to somewhat around 600.000 ISK instead of 1.2 million. And no i havent beeing shot by multiple heavys it was just 1 guy and i could see the HP drop cleary on my tank. Enough is enough CCP! You nerfed missiles into a useless turret, you took our resistance away but the AV stayed exactly the same. Tanks are supposed to be taken out with TEAMWORK (this means minimum 2 guys) and not getting soloed. And to the people around here claiming that their AV does nothing to a proper tank:
Stop using your free swarm launcher/forgegun loadout!

having a signature radius and explosion velocity for swarm launchers and glancing/wrecking shot system for forge guns similar to eve onlines for smaller vehicles and dropships would be nice.

those missiles are pretty small tho and vehicles dont really move fast enough.. idk.

holy **** there's a rational person on the forums

It's stupidly easy to snipe kill the tank with two AV guys at 400m. Infantry support means jack **** in that situation. One guy can barely do it, but two is basically game over.

Conversely, 2 guys with AV grenades will also kill a tank in the same 5 seconds.

Uh huh and just how many seconds does it take the tank to kill two guys ?

At 400m away about 2 years if he doesnt have a railgun but even then its prob a gd 5mins

If its railgun tank and they have AV then about 2 years since the turret got nerfed so moving it takes too long, if its a blaster tank then if the AV are hugging the tank or hiding behind industructable stuff and launch AV over the cover which home in on tha tank then never if they keep moving

Either way the best option is to move away and find proper cover

So what you're saying is you can't just sit there and kill, you have to actually drive tactically and "find proper cover" when there's AV on the field !

You mean like an entire team of infantry has to hange their tactics and use cover when there's a HAV on the field !

There's nothing wrong with AV versus HAVs ... proto AV makes mince meat of militia and basic HAVs, advanced Sagaris and Surya are more tricky and proto HAVs will require teamwork of proto AV

As the op stated his problem is with the way damage is being inflicted to LAVs, I have no idea myself as I don't think I've seen anything but Starter Fit LAVs yet.

At 400m away about 2 years if he doesnt have a railgun but even then its prob a gd 5mins

If its railgun tank and they have AV then about 2 years since the turret got nerfed so moving it takes too long, if its a blaster tank then if the AV are hugging the tank or hiding behind industructable stuff and launch AV over the cover which home in on tha tank then never if they keep moving

Either way the best option is to move away and find proper cover

If it takes you five minutes to kill someone at 400 yards with a rail then I'm sorry but you aint a even a semi decent tanker.




If you are close up in a railgun tank again you are doing it wrong . SL's have to step out of cover to get a lock on you . and FG's to shoot at you . If they are hugging your tank which can drive off faster than they can sprint . Well that is what infantry support is for aint it.




Failing to see the problem here .

Doesnt get sarcasm

But the railgun has travel time and requires a direct hit at 400m not counting shell depression meaning you have to aim above your target slighly and hopefully they stand still which doesnt happen, splash damage is alo a no aswell

SL step out of cover, for a second while on the mountain jumping 400m away, if they up close you use AV nades, FG charge fire not hard but in general spam AV nades