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Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.03.21 12:45:00 - [1] - Quote Little bit of history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4 Caldari Prime was invaded by the Gallente more than a hundred years ago, and 5 years ago the Caldari got it back and put a Titan to watch over it. Today, we have civil unrest, we have our fights to desestabilize the Caldari on the planet, and it seems things are escalating quickly and we-¦ll have a huge fight with all the parties that have an interest on the planet. As a Minmatar, i know what is like to have your home taken away from you, and i will do whatever it takes so that people don-¦t have to suffer it a second time. Me and my friends, fellow mercs and capsuleers, are going to help the Caldari to maintain their rightfully control of their homeplanet. Let-¦s hope we don-¦t get another sacrifice like the one Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba did to secure the safety of his population, for should a supercarrier or a titan do something to the planet, there will be no planet left do something about. We are gifted with immortality, but the hundreds of millions civilians on the planet are not.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 307	Posted - 2013.03.21 12:47:00 - [2] - Quote think your histories a bit out lol...
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:02:00 - [3] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: think your histories a bit out lol... Edit: Caldari was part of the federation, then big war, they both fought to a stalemate, gal held prime at the end, then the caldari sneaky took it back lol... As a Minmitar i would side wth the Gal... at least they dont condone slavery Get your datapad mate, it-¦s available historic records. Yes they were part of the federation, yes they had a war of secession, the gallente took Caldari prime. Then Caldari got Caldari prime back, and now, we have several agents trying to make the Caldari go away from their homeplanet, AGAIN. And the Caldari value Meritocracy, slavery is a very inneficient motivator for people to do things. The Minmatar people have proven themselves several times regarding resilience and adaptability, things that any meritocrat would enjoy. The Caldari are the rightful owners of Caldari Prime, let them have it !
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 307	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: think your histories a bit out lol... Edit: Caldari was part of the federation, then big war, they both fought to a stalemate, gal held prime at the end, then the caldari sneaky took it back lol... As a Minmitar i would side wth the Gal... at least they dont condone slavery Get your datapad mate, it-¦s available historic records. Yes they were part of the federation, yes they had a war of secession, the gallente took Caldari prime. Then Caldari got Caldari prime back, and now, we have several agents trying to make the Caldari go away from their homeplanet, AGAIN. And the Caldari value Meritocracy, slavery is a very inneficient motivator for people to do things. The Minmatar people have proven themselves several times regarding resilience and adaptability, things that any meritocrat would enjoy. The Caldari are the rightful owners of Caldari Prime, let them have it ! HA The Caldari have held the planet because they permanently stationed a Titan in orbit... a bit oppressive dont you think? Do as we say or we bombard you from orbit... Not much different than pumping slaves with drugs or attaching a shock collar Your right slavery is inefficient... especially when you can get away with secret police, hidden surveillance, and giant orbiting death machines
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:13:00 - [5] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: HA The Caldari have held the planet because they permanently stationed a Titan in orbit... a bit oppressive dont you think? Do as we say or we bombard you from orbit... Not much different than pumping slaves with drugs or attaching a shock collar If my homeworld was invaded, and it was located at the heart of my invaders interplanetary systems, how else would you maintain control of it? Do as we say? Are you one of the deffective clones? They simply are watchful from orbit, no one is supposed to be bombarded, because guess what.. it-¦s THEIR PLANET. The titan is to prevent an invasion like the one is happening right now. And you are on the side of the opressors to be. Caldari prime shall not be invaded a second time.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 307	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:22:00 - [6] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: HA The Caldari have held the planet because they permanently stationed a Titan in orbit... a bit oppressive dont you think? Do as we say or we bombard you from orbit... Not much different than pumping slaves with drugs or attaching a shock collar If my homeworld was invaded, and it was located at the heart of my invaders interplanetary systems, how else would you maintain control of it? Do as we say? Are you one of the deffective clones? They simply are watchful from orbit, no one is supposed to be bombarded, because guess what.. it-¦s THEIR PLANET. The titan is to prevent an invasion like the one is happening right now. And you are on the side of the opressors to be. Caldari prime shall not be invaded a second time. Ok ok do what you want, but after everything goes t*ts up and that titan enters orbit and theres yet more mass genocide... i wont be held responsible for your conscience. Just remember there are Gallente that call that planet home too.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:30:00 - [7] - Quote Caldari Prime Gallente trying to say it is ther planet Clue is in the planets name
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:32:00 - [8] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Ok ok do what you want, but after everything goes t*ts up and that titan enters orbit and theres yet more mass genocide... i wont be held responsible for your conscience. Just remember there are Gallente that call that planet home too. Gallente people already have their homeplanet I don-¦t want the titan to enter orbit, i don-¦t want the titan to have to fire a Doomsday at enemy fleets, i just want Caldari Prime to remain under Caldari Control. Not that complicated.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 307	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:42:00 - [9] - Quote What is a home planet? the Gallente and the Caldari are from many worlds. They just chose those for political reasons Caldari Prime (secondary?) was under Gallente protection for 100's of years. it was only some extremest radicals that stirred things up and kicked this potential war off all over again!... The Gallente and the Minmatar have been allies for a long time, one deluded mercenary isnt going to change that.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:48:00 - [10] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: What is a home planet? the Gallente and the Caldari are from many worlds. They just chose those for political reasons Caldari Prime (secondary?) was under Gallente protection for 100's of years. it was only some extremest radicals that stirred things up and kicked this potential war off all over again!... The Gallente and the Minmatar have been allies for a long time, one deluded mercenary isnt going to change that. A friend is the one that show when you are doing something wrong, and the Gallente soon to be invasion of Caldari Prime is one of those times. Only death and more grudges will result from this, and i can not agree with the theft of a homeworld from anybody! If we Minmatar were to invade Ammar, we would loose, for we became less of us, and more of them. Homes are sacred, and what is happening right now is a slap on the face of billions of people that just want thei place intact.

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 307	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:57:00 - [11] - Quote Wouldnt mind invading Amarr tbh... wouldnt be much of a world left afterwards tho.... But that isnt what either of us want to see between these 2 powers. However the Caldari arent helping themselves either. The way they go about "liberating" or controlling situations... well reminds me Amarrian war crimes
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 463	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:04:00 - [12] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: What is a home planet? the Gallente and the Caldari are from many worlds. They just chose those for political reasons Caldari Prime (secondary?) was under Gallente protection for 100's of years. it was only some extremest radicals that stirred things up and kicked this potential war off all over again!... The Gallente and the Minmatar have been allies for a long time, one deluded mercenary isnt going to change that. Actually, Gallente Prime and Caldari Prime are both in the Luminaire system because that's where their ancestors lived at the time of the EVE Gate's collapse. The Gallente, noticing signs of life on another planet in AD 22463 (YC -773), launched a space program to go visit. In AD 22517, the Gallente managed to establish contact and helped to uplift the Caldari (whose world was colder and more harsh) into modern technology. Over the next few hundred years, the Gallente established relations with the Intaki and the Mannar. At this point, it was suggested that the four peoples create a Federation for their mutual expansion and benefit. The Caldari joined willingly. About 33 years later, the rest of the Federation found out that the Caldari megacorporations had been secretly colonizing hundreds of worlds in a number of stellar regions for the sake of circumventing the laws of the same Federation that they supposedly supported. When the rest of the peoples of the Federation demanded that these systems abide by the agreed-to laws and treaties, the Caldari megacorps decided that this was a patriotism issue and unleashed a propaganda campaign demanding secession in the name of Caldari supremacy. One result of that campaign was the bombing of the underwater city of Nouvelle Rouvenor, which was mostly inhabited by ethnic Gallente. This unprovoked, racially-motivated attack on civilians led the Federation to bombard Caldari military bases and to send troops down to the surface to provide security to the non-Caldari population. The war devastated both sides, but it is interesting to note that the Federation prospered afterwards while the State stagnated and struggled to pay its bills. The reason that so many people looked at Heth as some kind of savior is that he restored their faith in the failed notion that the Caldari are better off alone than as part of a larger whole. Now, the megacorporations are trying to maintain the Empyrean War that he (and an imposter known as The Broker) started because it's the only thing propping up the Caldari economy. I for one look forward to the day when the Caldari and Gallente can be friends again. I'd rather be mercing against pirates, Rogue Drones, and nutjobs like the Blood Raiders.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:16:00 - [13] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Wouldnt mind invading Amarr tbh... wouldnt be much of a world left afterwards tho.... But that isnt what either of us want to see between these 2 powers. However the Caldari arent helping themselves either. The way they go about "liberating" or controlling situations... well reminds me Amarrian war crimes I-¦ve done my share of dirty jobs to know that neither of our leaders are saints. Heth has had his share of losses due to politics, so no wonder he-¦s on the edge and doing silly things. It does not justify however, to invade his homeplanet and look for a fight. Caldari Prime belongs to the Caldari people!
Kay High The Lions Guard 92	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:26:00 - [14] - Quote I just hope that CCP Makes a Trailer out of this event like they did when the Ammar Royal Succession happened or when that crazy Gallente Admiral rammed the spacestation with his supercarrier.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3182	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:29:00 - [15] - Quote I am pretty sure Caldari Prime was completely evacuated in that war. Gallente then recolonized it after it was made vacant.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 464	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:50:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am pretty sure Caldari Prime was completely evacuated in that war. Gallente then recolonized it after it was made vacant. It was never actually vacant. There were plenty of non-Caldari living on Caldari Prime at the time. A few Caldari did stay, and others came back over the years once the war ended. The key here is that the Caldari STATE abandoned Caldari Prime. No one in the Federation has ever sought to keep peace-loving Caldari civilians from living there, so long as they obey the laws that the Caldari agreed to in helping to found the Federation. We cannot permit a hostile nation that has already tried to auction off Intaki (and OUR home world) to maintain any military presence inside the Federation. I, for one, would welcome all of the Caldari back into the Federation. I would love to see Caldari Prime become once again the jewel of a peaceful Caldari people. But... Luminaire and its planets can never be allowed to be part of the State anymore than Intaki could.
XANDER KAG Crimson Wings Brigade 35	Posted - 2013.03.21 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote Well its not like the Minmatar have much of a choice really. A 1/5 of our entire population lives inside Gallente borders. We fight the Gallente and we end up fighting ourselves. Besides the Republic wouldn't exist without the Gallente financial help. Though at the moment I think we should be more concerned about the Ammar fleets building up around huge freighters.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:02:00 - [18] - Quote The auction of Intaki was an ellegant solution to several disputes, it pleased the Caldari, the Gallente and the Intaki, by letting them have their autonomy.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 471	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:55:00 - [19] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: The auction of Intaki was an ellegant solution to several disputes, it pleased the Caldari, the Gallente and the Intaki, by letting them have their autonomy. Oh, so now you're Intaki? It pleased the Caldari sympathizers, the nut jobs, and a few separatists. It did not please most of us.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 759	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:07:00 - [20] - Quote This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive

XANDER KAG Crimson Wings Brigade 38	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:10:00 - [21] - Quote gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 759	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:13:00 - [22] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 474	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:13:00 - [23] - Quote gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive (OOC) I can't shoot worth kitten. I have to do something seriously.
XANDER KAG Crimson Wings Brigade 38	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:18:00 - [24] - Quote gbghg wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out Point taken but still. Its better than a couple of guys I know IRL, I'm not sure if they know that they aren't a magic archer or a wild west bounty hunter. It is kinda creepy.
Arion Pallrus One-Armed Bandits Hopeless Addiction 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:29:00 - [25] - Quote gbghg wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out Reality isn't that much more real than this is. "Reality" just has very good graphics.
XANDER KAG Crimson Wings Brigade 39	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:34:00 - [26] - Quote Arion Pallrus wrote: gbghg wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out Reality isn't that much more real than this is. "Reality" just has very good graphics. The outdoor world thanks you!
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1035	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:29:00 - [27] - Quote I just want to shoot things. I don't care what iit is, or who it is.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:40:00 - [28] - Quote gbghg wrote: XANDER KAG wrote: gbghg wrote: This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out I know everyone have their own fun on games but trust me, i-¦m having a lot of fun on this one like this =) I play EVE since 2007, "i was there" when Tibus Heth rose to power, i was there when Caldari Prime was reconquered, i was there cheering and having a shitload of fun when the storyline advanced 5 years ago, and now, 5 years later, i have a chance to contribute into maintaining the Caldari control of the planet even tough everyone have every reason to want Heth dead and the planet lost. I connect to the game, that-¦s why i-¦ve played in the New Eden universe for 6 years, and i-¦ll continue playinf for several more, in different plataform, with different parts of a whole. This game is awesome, and i don-¦t need to stop working, having sex fun and a real life just because i connect to the game when i-¦m playing it. Sometimes i think a lot of people simply play it to get a nice kdr, to brag about performance, simply come and go. It-¦s a way of enjoying the game, of course, but are they enjoying themselves or just being slaves to some arbitrary performance metric ? I have a lot of fun, hope everyone lese is having too =)
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 165	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:48:00 - [29] - Quote If you want to unsure that Caldari Prime will belong to the Caldari State, V4H can help.... for a price.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 386	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:49:00 - [30] - Quote Back on Topic: Natu, Don't you realise every bullet fired for the Caldari is another justification for the millions of Minmatar trapped in Caldari space in indentured servatute to the Caldari corporate war machine. A war machine the sells, at cost, the Amarr weapons technology. Weapons technology that is used to oppress the Matar people. The Caldari arn't a free people, they are indocerinated with false class conciousness and pride in what little they have, while oligarchs reign supreme in corporate offices of unparalleled opulence. The caldari do not promote those born into thier station in life. There is no meritocracy, only oppression.

Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:27:00 - [31] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Back on Topic: Natu, Don't you realise every bullet fired for the Caldari is another justification for the millions of Minmatar trapped in Caldari space in indentured servatute to the Caldari corporate war machine. A war machine the sells, at cost, the Amarr weapons technology. Weapons technology that is used to oppress the Matar people. The Caldari arn't a free people, they are indocerinated with false class conciousness and pride in what little they have, while oligarchs reign supreme in corporate offices of unparalleled opulence. The caldari do not promote those born into thier station in life. There is no meritocracy, only oppression. Every people have their own struggles, the Caldari will sort their own mess if they are bothered by it, but in any case, there is no way opression can justify another opression. There-¦s an attack fleet coming, what if one of those capital ships fall and enter orbit? There-¦s a reason why capital ships aren-¦t allowed in the densely populated areas of hi-sec space. Again, we are immortal, and our shenanigans will cost a lot of lives if we go this way. For every innocent dead, there will be 10 to avenge it, and the cicle wil never stop. War never changes, but it doesn-¦t mean we have to be so reckless about it.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:36:00 - [32] - Quote Now this is simply stupid.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 474	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:37:00 - [33] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: There-¦s an attack fleet coming, what if one of those capital ships fall and enter orbit? There-¦s a reason why capital ships aren-¦t allowed in the densely populated areas of hi-sec space. They wouldn't be coming if the State had not placed a Doomsday Weapon in low orbit over a planet inhabited by billions of people. If the Caldari really want to save lives, they should jump that titan back into their own territory ASAP. The Federation did not start this, but we are not going to permit a superweapon free rein inside Gallente hisec. Dropclones are a much more humane way of settling this. Sure, cloned soldiers can do a lot of damage, but nothing compared to a miniature sun lancing down from low orbit. As long as the Shiigeru is hanging over the Federation, the violence will continue to escalate. I've got capsuleer relatives (normal peaceful relatives) freaking out and trying to figure out crazy ways to destroy that thing.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:41:00 - [34] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: There-¦s an attack fleet coming, what if one of those capital ships fall and enter orbit? There-¦s a reason why capital ships aren-¦t allowed in the densely populated areas of hi-sec space. They wouldn't be coming if the State had not placed a Doomsday Weapon in low orbit over a planet inhabited by billions of people. If the Caldari really want to save lives, they should jump that titan back into their own territory ASAP. The Federation did not start this, but we are not going to permit a superweapon free rein inside Gallente hisec. Dropclones are a much more humane way of settling this. Sure, cloned soldiers can do a lot of damage, but nothing compared to a miniature sun lancing down from low orbit. As long as the Shiigeru is hanging over the Federation, the violence will continue to escalate. I've got capsuleer relatives (normal peaceful relatives) freaking out and trying to figure out crazy ways to destroy that thing. For 5 years the Shiigeru has been there, for 5 years there was no major incidents, and you come to tell me that all this happening NOW is because of this? No corelation at all with our new clone tech, or major political events, or desestabilization of power, or internal coups, or deliberate provocations, or anything of the sorts? She was there for 5 years without trouble, trouble is coming for her.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 475	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:53:00 - [35] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: For 5 years the Shiigeru has been there, for 5 years there was no major incidents, and you come to tell me that all this happening NOW is because of this? No corelation at all with our new clone tech, or major political events, or desestabilization of power, or internal coups, or deliberate provocations, or anything of the sorts? She was there for 5 years without trouble, trouble is coming for her. As an Intaki, I feel it is important to recognize the Cycle in all things. The acorn contains potential for the oak tree and for the the many acorns that will fall from said tree. By planting that acorn, I am responsible for the tree and the acorns that will fall from it. When Heth planted the Shiigeru in Luminaire, he set in motion a storm of emotion that would, almost inevitably, lead to violence down the road. He is not a stupid man, so we cannot excuse his actions as ignorance. We must therefore conclude that he was intentionally provoking a conflict over the sovereignty of Luminaire. Though that conflict did not occur (until now), it is the natural fruition of his choice. He knew, on some level, that the Federation could no more tolerate a Caldari titan in their midst than he could stand the Federation's control of Caldari Prime. Like two mountains warring- immovable, inevitable. While we Intaki have been content to wait centuries for our situation to reach proper fruition, the Gallente and Caldari are very physical people, rooted in the mindset of a single lifetime. Perhaps, someday, when both sides have the distance of history from which to observe this matters, a peaceful solution can be negotiated. Until then, we must work to restore the Balance that existed at the conclusion of the Gallente-Caldari War.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:01:00 - [36] - Quote http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=contact-lost-with-caldari-prime-massive-surface-offensive-underway "A number of military tactics experts have indicated that the shutdown of communications may have been undertaken to render the Caldari orbital fleet unable to provide orbital support without reliable coordinates, and if so, the move may be the precursor to a full scale surface invasion of Caldari Prime."
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 601	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:04:00 - [37] - Quote Remember when you crashed a wyvern into is? Payback's a b*tch
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:15:00 - [38] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 602	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:24:00 - [39] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable. More honorable than building a military power behind our back under the guise of an alliance
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:31:00 - [40] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable. More honorable than building a military power behind our back under the guise of an alliance Military power which wasnt doing anything, hurting anything, just helping the Caldari becoming a bit stronger and standing on its own feet in the 'federation' at the time Gallente get butthurt over it and want a piece of it even tho they did nothing for it, next thing they start a war for the solo reason of obtaining what the Caldari have

Nexus Tau DEMON KILLERS 26	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:33:00 - [41] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: think your histories a bit out lol... Edit: Caldari was part of the federation, then big war, they both fought to a stalemate, gal held prime at the end, then the caldari sneaky took it back lol... As a Minmitar i would side wth the Gal... at least they dont condone slavery Get your datapad mate, it-¦s available historic records. Yes they were part of the federation, yes they had a war of secession, the gallente took Caldari prime. Then Caldari got Caldari prime back, and now, we have several agents trying to make the Caldari go away from their homeplanet, AGAIN. And the Caldari value Meritocracy, slavery is a very inneficient motivator for people to do things. The Minmatar people have proven themselves several times regarding resilience and adaptability, things that any meritocrat would enjoy. The Caldari are the rightful owners of Caldari Prime, let them have it ! Luminaire is Gallente's system, not caldari's.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.22 15:45:00 - [42] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable. More honorable than building a military power behind our back under the guise of an alliance "We are a Federation and democratic, except when you go agains out will, then you screw you." Enough with the Gallente propaganda, they have a lot of merits, but this situation at Caldari Prime is an absurd !
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 483	Posted - 2013.03.22 18:06:00 - [43] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable. You mean, bombarding helpless civilians like the Caldari Navy is doing right now? The problem is that military types like to put military installations near civilian populations. It's like all the generals just WANT to be able to QQ about how the other side was "bombarding helpless civilians". It would be a lot more humane to just let us ground pounders solve the problem without orbital support.


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