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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:45:00 -
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Little bit of history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4
Caldari Prime was invaded by the Gallente more than a hundred years ago, and 5 years ago the Caldari got it back and put a Titan to watch over it.
Today, we have civil unrest, we have our fights to desestabilize the Caldari on the planet, and it seems things are escalating quickly and we-¦ll have a huge fight with all the parties that have an interest on the planet.
As a Minmatar, i know what is like to have your home taken away from you, and i will do whatever it takes so that people don-¦t have to suffer it a second time.
Me and my friends, fellow mercs and capsuleers, are going to help the Caldari to maintain their rightfully control of their homeplanet.
Let-¦s hope we don-¦t get another sacrifice like the one Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba did to secure the safety of his population, for should a supercarrier or a titan do something to the planet, there will be no planet left do something about.
We are gifted with immortality, but the hundreds of millions civilians on the planet are not.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:02:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:think your histories a bit out lol... Edit: Caldari was part of the federation, then big war, they both fought to a stalemate, gal held prime at the end, then the caldari sneaky took it back lol... As a Minmitar i would side wth the Gal... at least they dont condone slavery 
Get your datapad mate, it-¦s available historic records.
Yes they were part of the federation, yes they had a war of secession, the gallente took Caldari prime.
Then Caldari got Caldari prime back, and now, we have several agents trying to make the Caldari go away from their homeplanet, AGAIN.
And the Caldari value Meritocracy, slavery is a very inneficient motivator for people to do things. The Minmatar people have proven themselves several times regarding resilience and adaptability, things that any meritocrat would enjoy.
The Caldari are the rightful owners of Caldari Prime, let them have it !
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:13:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:
HA The Caldari have held the planet because they permanently stationed a Titan in orbit... a bit oppressive dont you think?
Do as we say or we bombard you from orbit...
Not much different than pumping slaves with drugs or attaching a shock collar
If my homeworld was invaded, and it was located at the heart of my invaders interplanetary systems, how else would you maintain control of it?
Do as we say? Are you one of the deffective clones?
They simply are watchful from orbit, no one is supposed to be bombarded, because guess what.. it-¦s THEIR PLANET.
The titan is to prevent an invasion like the one is happening right now. And you are on the side of the opressors to be.
Caldari prime shall not be invaded a second time. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:32:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:
Ok ok do what you want, but after everything goes t*ts up and that titan enters orbit and theres yet more mass genocide... i wont be held responsible for your conscience.
Just remember there are Gallente that call that planet home too.
Gallente people already have their homeplanet
I don-¦t want the titan to enter orbit, i don-¦t want the titan to have to fire a Doomsday at enemy fleets, i just want Caldari Prime to remain under Caldari Control. Not that complicated.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:48:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:What is a home planet? the Gallente and the Caldari are from many worlds. They just chose those for political reasons
Caldari Prime (secondary?) was under Gallente protection for 100's of years. it was only some extremest radicals that stirred things up and kicked this potential war off all over again!...
The Gallente and the Minmatar have been allies for a long time, one deluded mercenary isnt going to change that.
A friend is the one that show when you are doing something wrong, and the Gallente soon to be invasion of Caldari Prime is one of those times.
Only death and more grudges will result from this, and i can not agree with the theft of a homeworld from anybody! If we Minmatar were to invade Ammar, we would loose, for we became less of us, and more of them.
Homes are sacred, and what is happening right now is a slap on the face of billions of people that just want thei place intact.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:16:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Wouldnt mind invading Amarr tbh... wouldnt be much of a world left afterwards tho....
But that isnt what either of us want to see between these 2 powers. However the Caldari arent helping themselves either. The way they go about "liberating" or controlling situations... well reminds me Amarrian war crimes
I-¦ve done my share of dirty jobs to know that neither of our leaders are saints.
Heth has had his share of losses due to politics, so no wonder he-¦s on the edge and doing silly things.
It does not justify however, to invade his homeplanet and look for a fight.
Caldari Prime belongs to the Caldari people! |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:02:00 -
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The auction of Intaki was an ellegant solution to several disputes, it pleased the Caldari, the Gallente and the Intaki, by letting them have their autonomy.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:40:00 -
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gbghg wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:gbghg wrote:This is impressive, slightly scary how seriously your taking it, but impressive Ahh come on, you got to love a good story. I do, but when people start acting like it's RL I get kinda creeped out
I know everyone have their own fun on games but trust me, i-¦m having a lot of fun on this one like this =)
I play EVE since 2007, "i was there" when Tibus Heth rose to power, i was there when Caldari Prime was reconquered, i was there cheering and having a shitload of fun when the storyline advanced 5 years ago, and now, 5 years later, i have a chance to contribute into maintaining the Caldari control of the planet even tough everyone have every reason to want Heth dead and the planet lost.
I connect to the game, that-¦s why i-¦ve played in the New Eden universe for 6 years, and i-¦ll continue playinf for several more, in different plataform, with different parts of a whole. This game is awesome, and i don-¦t need to stop working, having sex fun and a real life just because i connect to the game when i-¦m playing it.
Sometimes i think a lot of people simply play it to get a nice kdr, to brag about performance, simply come and go. It-¦s a way of enjoying the game, of course, but are they enjoying themselves or just being slaves to some arbitrary performance metric ?
I have a lot of fun, hope everyone lese is having too =) |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:27:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Back on Topic:
Natu,
Don't you realise every bullet fired for the Caldari is another justification for the millions of Minmatar trapped in Caldari space in indentured servatute to the Caldari corporate war machine. A war machine the sells, at cost, the Amarr weapons technology.
Weapons technology that is used to oppress the Matar people.
The Caldari arn't a free people, they are indocerinated with false class conciousness and pride in what little they have, while oligarchs reign supreme in corporate offices of unparalleled opulence. The caldari do not promote those born into thier station in life. There is no meritocracy, only oppression.
Every people have their own struggles, the Caldari will sort their own mess if they are bothered by it, but in any case, there is no way opression can justify another opression.
There-¦s an attack fleet coming, what if one of those capital ships fall and enter orbit? There-¦s a reason why capital ships aren-¦t allowed in the densely populated areas of hi-sec space.
Again, we are immortal, and our shenanigans will cost a lot of lives if we go this way. For every innocent dead, there will be 10 to avenge it, and the cicle wil never stop.
War never changes, but it doesn-¦t mean we have to be so reckless about it. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:36:00 -
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Now this is simply stupid.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:41:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:
There-¦s an attack fleet coming, what if one of those capital ships fall and enter orbit? There-¦s a reason why capital ships aren-¦t allowed in the densely populated areas of hi-sec space.
They wouldn't be coming if the State had not placed a Doomsday Weapon in low orbit over a planet inhabited by billions of people. If the Caldari really want to save lives, they should jump that titan back into their own territory ASAP. The Federation did not start this, but we are not going to permit a superweapon free rein inside Gallente hisec. Dropclones are a much more humane way of settling this. Sure, cloned soldiers can do a lot of damage, but nothing compared to a miniature sun lancing down from low orbit. As long as the Shiigeru is hanging over the Federation, the violence will continue to escalate. I've got capsuleer relatives (normal peaceful relatives) freaking out and trying to figure out crazy ways to destroy that thing.
For 5 years the Shiigeru has been there, for 5 years there was no major incidents, and you come to tell me that all this happening NOW is because of this?
No corelation at all with our new clone tech, or major political events, or desestabilization of power, or internal coups, or deliberate provocations, or anything of the sorts?
She was there for 5 years without trouble, trouble is coming for her. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:01:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=contact-lost-with-caldari-prime-massive-surface-offensive-underway
"A number of military tactics experts have indicated that the shutdown of communications may have been undertaken to render the Caldari orbital fleet unable to provide orbital support without reliable coordinates, and if so, the move may be the precursor to a full scale surface invasion of Caldari Prime."
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:15:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch
Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable.
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:45:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Remember when you crashed a wyvern into us? Payback's a b*tch Because bombarding helpless civilians evacuating the planet was a lot more honourable. More honorable than building a military power behind our back under the guise of an alliance
"We are a Federation and democratic, except when you go agains out will, then you screw you."
Enough with the Gallente propaganda, they have a lot of merits, but this situation at Caldari Prime is an absurd ! |
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