They lack CPU,


Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it because of the lack of CPU.

even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...

I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.

And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?



Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFUVOlNrmw

I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up.

Exactly what fit did you want on it? For my proto scout.. All i would want is 3 complex shields, 1 plate, 1 Repper, and a CPU upgrade with a Gek and a nanohive

I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer.

I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer.

I believe the scout is supposed to be a scout- thus the name.

As far as CPU, I've never had a problem with it. Then again, I haven't skilled far into it yet.

Not really, a scout is really a recon style player. Not an attempt at abusing their speed and smaller hit box while trying to compensate for their lack of health. That is what I mean.

Sorry if that came off kinda harsh. Was just trying to say how it is to be used as opposed to the way it was designed.

You always leave mobility out of the equation. No one can disengage and reposition like scouts can. Top end scouts and heavies both need tweaking, but they aren't as woefully underpowered as you seem to believe.

Their speed isn't some sort of significant advantage (only 8-10% over a Assault suit), Their reconnaissance aren't either (10% increase in both profile dampening and precision).

The only real advantage we get is a decreased hitbox and a faster recharge rate on the shields (No shield recharge delay since its still a 10s delay on depletion and only .8s faster on normal delay over a assault suit).

Now match those two advantages against the disadvantages (44.4% decreased shields, 31% decreased CPU, 1 less high slot, no sidearm if you want to use the VK1 (compared to assault suits) seems to me like the disadvantages faaaar outweigh the advantages the suit has at the moment

Dude was actually taken out by a shotgun scout (mostly of camera) to his left.

Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place.

Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place.

Scouts need scout only weapons or something, since shotguns are really the only thing worth putting on scouts, thanks to said mobility. Nova knives will be pretty sick if they let us sprint while charging them, but yea, I guess the only complaint of yours that I can get behind is that the only viable weapon for them right now is the shotgun.

I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh.

I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh.

Nova Knives are useless with or without sprinting, just use the sprinting bug and you'll find out. Scout Suit is underpowered, I can achieve the same mobility in a Assault Suit just by adding a Basic Kinetic Catalyzer. It needs a revamp to find its place.

I couldn't agree more. I wish I could take out all my points in heavies and dropships and just dump them into scouts.....cest la vis

Hmm.. There are different ways a scout can be looked at. I personally play it as a mobile killer on my alt. I think I do pretty well with it.

Also to Reflex:
I see what you mean. There is no point of the extra equipment since you won't be able to fit anything there anyways lol. A CPU upgrade is the only thing to get around it... The only suit that actually needs it lol.

You will never, ever be as mobile as a scout suit, because no suit can jump like the scout. It seems so minor, but that jump distance is huge and is my favorite advantage of the suit. It is so easy to sneak up on people, get a few kills, then disappear before they can eat through my shields, which regen to max in about 3 seconds.

Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place.

Scouts need scout only weapons or something, since shotguns are really the only thing worth putting on scouts, thanks to said mobility. Nova knives will be pretty sick if they let us sprint while charging them, but yea, I guess the only complaint of yours that I can get behind is that the only viable weapon for them right now is the shotgun.

I agree with Djinn there should be unlimited ways to do a scout just like the other suits.

This is just not the way it is right now though. The scout is very limited to being a scout and a really good players interestingly played mobile killer. Thought the mobile killer is rather limited as opposed to an assault it is only really used by those who enjoy the scout. It can really excel in the area of the scout recon but, the game kinda hurts it there with maps that are so close together along with the CQC based weapons. When we go back to scopes and the maps really open up I feel that the cloak and scanner type scout will be great along with the cloak and dagger style as well. The mobile killer will get better along with these to given its faster movement and the distance for gun game will change a lot to.

I run a scout now it is nothing but a 6000 ISK Dragon Fly set up like a poor mans Assault. This is because I went into a DS and am just now getting to put SP elsewhere and that is the only way I have to play it right now but that will change with time given my SP gain.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that the scout doesn't need a buff for me I would like to see it go to scan precision, scan radius, scan profile, and a small speed buff. The CPU/PG should be looked at given its abilities as well but not saying it really needs to do a lot there.

CCP needs to rethink how they are doing suits as a whole.

Scouts lack CPU.

Assaults lack PG.

There are no skills to lower PG for fitting items like there is for CPU. Not hijacking thread my man, just stating they need to look at ALL suits not just scout.

Yes, and the massive penalty is not being able to stand still and aim. Even a militia guy can completely take me out if I stand still for 2+ seconds in my A-series suit.

As I said, scouts need more scout options because the shotgun is really the only weapon worth using with them right now. Why you would ever put an AR on a scout to begin with is beyond me. Scouts speed tank, it's what we do.

Don't disregard the AR scout so fast. They are actually quite good.

Whats the use of the 3 Equipment slots on a scout or 2 on the VK0 when you don't even get to use them due to the lack of CPU?

Maybe you're not supposed to be able to use them all, just have to option to use them? Either use a low module or equipment. Whats wrong with any suit requiring CPU modules anyway? If nobody needed them then they would be pointless. Just be glad that they don't also use PG like PG modules use CPU.

As I said, scouts need more scout options because the shotgun is really the only weapon worth using with them right now. Why you would ever put an AR on a scout to begin with is beyond me. Scouts speed tank, it's what we do.

Don't disregard the AR scout so fast. They are actually quite good.

You'd be surprised at what you can fit with passive skills helping out, but they will need a buff if sensors and dampeners don't become more important in future builds.

Nope... assault is still 10x better, if you see a Scout AR that is doing good i would bet 500$ on it that he would do better in an assault suit

Assault and Logi's can fit everything they desire (sometimes they run out of PG but that's a whole nother story) yet scouts have to use a CPU chip in order to fit what they want?! (even after maxing out all cpu reducing skills) hell nooooo. they have a 3H-3L setup and you're saying i need to waste a low slot just so i can be effective?

I don't really use scouts so I'm a bit ignorant on them, but what low modules do they need that they can't "sacrifice" a slot for a CPU module. I also doubt assault/ logis can fit EVERYTHING they want. I'm using a type two and I need a cpu upgrade just to fit a enhanced/complex damage mod and I definitely can't equip a second complex shield extender because I don't have the PG for it. So no, running out of PG isn't a whole nother story.

I don't really use scouts so I'm a bit ignorant on them, but what low modules do they need that they can't "sacrifice" a slot for a CPU module. I also doubt assault/ logis can fit EVERYTHING they want. I'm using a type two and I need a cpu upgrade just to fit a enhanced/complex damage mod and I definitely can't equip a second complex shield extender because I don't have the PG for it. So no, running out of PG isn't a whole nother story.

Edit: a way to test possible fittings would really come in handy right now

Edit: a way to test possible fittings would really come in handy right now

There's no need you can pretty much calculate everything...

Please gtfo with your Shotgun-scout combo, im sick and tired of hearing that... if you haven't run into calamity jane or annie oakley yet i would suggest you go watch that nice video of the finals (PFBHZ vs STB)

Assault shotgun is 10x more viable then shotgun scout

Also Nova Knives are a great side arm you move like lightning. But you have to know how to play cover with only one real weapon. Which is something you should learn as a scout anyway. lol

Unfortunately i'm talking about high end gear wich comes later on, in the long run (or even in the short run) you can fit everything on an assault suit or a logistics suit. but on a scout suit you will never and i mean never fit it if you don't use a CPU extender....

Please gtfo with your Shotgun-scout combo, im sick and tired of hearing that... if you haven't run into calamity jane or annie oakley yet i would suggest you go watch that nice video of the finals (PFBHZ vs STB)

Assault shotgun is 10x more viable then shotgun scout

Maybe you're not supposed to be able to use them all, just have to option to use them? Either use a low module or equipment. Whats wrong with any suit requiring CPU modules anyway? If nobody needed them then they would be pointless. Just be glad that they don't also use PG like PG modules use CPU.

That's exactly what i don't want

Because of the lack of CPU and the cost of Dropsuit modules (CPU wise) there are literally no unique builds you can make. here a comparison for you guys

Scout VK0 - CPU 230 - Max CPU 288 -
Scout VK1 - CPU 250 - Max CPU 312 -

Assault VK0 - CPU 300 - Max CPU 375 -
Assault VK1 - CPU 330 - Max CPU 412 -

Heavy VK0 - CPU 270 - Max CPU 337 -
Heavy VK1 - CPU 270 - Max CPU 337 -

Logistics VK0 - CPU 390 - Max CPU 488 -
Logistics VK1 - CPU 390 - Max CPU 488 -

Whats the use of the 3 Equipment slots on a scout or 2 on the VK0 when you don't even get to use them due to the lack of CPU?

They lack CPU,


Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it without a CPU chip, because of the lack of CPU.

even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...

I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.

And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?



Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better.

crappy fantasy advantage? watch the youtube vid, you don't get hit by bullets, thats the advantage. I see it and I hear it from squad mates, many corps, every day.

but this isnt hopping strafing scouts, this isnt sneaking point blanking from behind scouts, this isn't people spraying and praying in the general direction of a scout, it is scouts charging head on dead center in the reticle and bullets doing sweet FA.

It's bullshit.

And you want a BUFF.

lol.

crappy fantasy advantage? watch the youtube vid, you don't get hit by bullets, thats the advantage. I see it and I hear it from squad mates, many corps, every day.

L2AIM is going to be the reply or WE GOT SKILLZ.

but this isnt hopping strafing scouts, this isnt sneaking point blanking from behind scouts, this isn't people spraying and praying in the general direction of a scout, it is scouts charging head on dead center in the reticle and bullets doing sweet FA.

It's bullshit.

And you want a BUFF.

lol.

Try it yourself. Then get back and apologize.

OK you want to lend me your account for the weekend?

or did you want me to field some dragonfly build with weps and modules I haven't skilled in to, then be shocked when I get butchered by a 5mil SP AR dude?

OK you want to lend me your account for the weekend?

or did you want me to field some dragonfly build with weps and modules I haven't skilled in to, then be shocked when I get butchered by a 5mil SP AR dude?

it is scouts charging head on dead center in the reticle and bullets doing sweet FA.

Pardon me for necroing this thread for a bit but I got a point to make here.

After doing my research regarding fitting scout suits (particularly the prototype level one) I have come to the conclusion that there is one fit that can manage having all high and low slots including the primary fitted with complex and prototype without the need for the CPU or PG upgrade.

Coincidentally, this fit happens to favor a particular profession that most folks here seem to dismiss as wasteful or useless. Can you guess what it is?

Scout vk.1
3x complex sidearm damage modifiers
3x complex kinetic catalyzers
1x Ishukone Nova Knife

Because the profession doesn't utilize the equipment slots so often and the grenades are seldom used in this profession, those extra slots are excluded. But here is the thing. You need level 5 in all of the following skills for this to fit.

Sidearm Weapon Upgrade
Sidearm Weapon Upgrade Proficciency
Circuitry
Cmbat Engineering

It will be a very tight fit but the suit will work as intended especially if you have profile dampening skills maxed out. And if the point of this thread is that there is no way of making a good scout suit without needing a CPU upgrade module, then it looks like that myth is busted.

Ps: The math I used is posted on my diaries.

They lack CPU,


Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it without a CPU chip, because of the lack of CPU.

even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...

I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.

And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?



Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better.

Interesting fit you have there.... looks mighty squishy though. lets hope no one sees you coming

Dude was actually taken out by a shotgun scout (mostly of camera) to his left.

In all honesty here, the scout suit was never primarily intended to act like an assault suit and the fit I have here fully utilizes pure speed (10.15m/s) as a means of speed tanking (think Dramiel orbiting a Megathron).

Currently I only have a standard nova knife and only able to use enhanced kinetic catalyzers but there have been occasions where I have succeeded in standing toe to toe with heavies. With just these basic things and I have been able to evade red line encampments while I hacked objectives that were extremely close to the enemy's base.

But again, the all-proto-all-complex fit I posted above is the only practical fit I can find. The OP is correct that for any other profession, the CPU upgrade module is needed for this suit. Of course, this is all assuming CCP doesn't change the CPU/PG of the suit during the next update.

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P.S i don't believe it i know it, i've been running scout this entire build and i know the assault and logi suit, can do everything the scout suit can do 10x better.

I'm leaving heavies out of the equation since they really have their own Perks and drawbacks