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Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:49:00 -
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They lack CPU,
Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it without a CPU chip, because of the lack of CPU.
even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...
I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.
And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?
Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:50:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:They lack CPU,
Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it because of the lack of CPU.
even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...
I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.
And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?
Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFUVOlNrmw |
Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:52:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFUVOlNrmw
I'm EU **** happens..... |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:55:00 -
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Exactly what fit did you want on it? For my proto scout.. All i would want is 3 complex shields, 1 plate, 1 Repper, and a CPU upgrade with a Gek and a nanohive |
Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:56:00 -
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Moejoe that was effing hilarious. Best response eva.
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:58:00 -
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I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:00:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:They lack CPU,
Every single fit i calculated with the proto suit in mind couldn't handle it because of the lack of CPU.
even with every cpu reduction skill in mind to lvl 5 (this includes shield enhancements, weapon upgrade, upgrade prof., circuitry, nanocircuitry) The suit i want will never fit onto the proto suit...
I'm really concerned for future players who will spec into the Gallante scout and find out after spending 2.4 mill SP on the suit itself that it is complete and utter ''Kitten''.
And lets not talk about the other major drawbacks this suit has, like wtf CCP?
Now don't come in here and be like ''LOL SHOTGUNSCOUT or LOLSNIPERSCOUT UNDETECTABLE'' because those arguments are just invalid seeing as a assault can do these two things 10x better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFUVOlNrmw
Dude was actually taken out by a shotgun scout (mostly of camera) to his left. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
314
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:01:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2021
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:04:00 -
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Huh, I don't even have max skills (nowhere near it) but I had a couple AUR left over and bought the Proto Suit....I've got a pretty mean combat fit with 315ish shields, -40% off of shield delay, a basic armor rep, gauged nano hive and a specialist shotgun. I'm sure I'd have to shuffle stuff around for the top end shotgun, but as is it works great.
I've got a long ass wait before I can get Proto Scouts, but I'm gonna start saving up. I won't have nearly enough SP by the next build (no boosters), so I may or may not stick with this path come then. As of right now, it's definitely my favorite suit.
My only complaint isn't even with the Scout, it's with Shield Recharge modules.....90CPU for the top end...like...dafuq? |
Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:04:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Exactly what fit did you want on it? For my proto scout.. All i would want is 3 complex shields, 1 plate, 1 Repper, and a CPU upgrade with a Gek and a nanohive
That's exactly what i don't want
Because of the lack of CPU and the cost of Dropsuit modules (CPU wise) there are literally no unique builds you can make. here a comparison for you guys
Scout VK0 - CPU 230 - Max CPU 288 - Scout VK1 - CPU 250 - Max CPU 312 -
Assault VK0 - CPU 300 - Max CPU 375 - Assault VK1 - CPU 330 - Max CPU 412 -
Heavy VK0 - CPU 270 - Max CPU 337 - Heavy VK1 - CPU 270 - Max CPU 337 -
Logistics VK0 - CPU 390 - Max CPU 488 - Logistics VK1 - CPU 390 - Max CPU 488 -
Whats the use of the 3 Equipment slots on a scout or 2 on the VK0 when you don't even get to use them due to the lack of CPU? |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1106
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:04:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. I believe the scout is supposed to be a scout- thus the name.
As far as CPU, I've never had a problem with it. Then again, I haven't skilled far into it yet. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:06:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer.
Not really, a scout is really a recon style player. Not an attempt at abusing their speed and smaller hit box while trying to compensate for their lack of health. That is what I mean.
Sorry if that came off kinda harsh. Was just trying to say how it is to be used as opposed to the way it was designed. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
314
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:11:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. I believe the scout is supposed to be a scout- thus the name. As far as CPU, I've never had a problem with it. Then again, I haven't skilled far into it yet. Hmm.. There are different ways a scout can be looked at. I personally play it as a mobile killer on my alt. I think I do pretty well with it.
Also to Reflex: I see what you mean. There is no point of the extra equipment since you won't be able to fit anything there anyways lol. A CPU upgrade is the only thing to get around it... The only suit that actually needs it lol. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:18:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. Not really, a scout is really a recon style player. Not an attempt at abusing their speed and smaller hit box while trying to compensate for their lack of health. That is what I mean. Sorry if that came off kinda harsh. Was just trying to say how it is to be used as opposed to the way it was designed.
Their speed isn't some sort of significant advantage (only 8-10% over a Assault suit), Their reconnaissance aren't either (10% increase in both profile dampening and precision).
The only real advantage we get is a decreased hitbox and a faster recharge rate on the shields (No shield recharge delay since its still a 10s delay on depletion and only .8s faster on normal delay over a assault suit).
Now match those two advantages against the disadvantages (44.4% decreased shields, 31% decreased CPU, 1 less high slot, no sidearm if you want to use the VK1 (compared to assault suits) seems to me like the disadvantages faaaar outweigh the advantages the suit has at the moment |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2021
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:22:00 -
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You always leave mobility out of the equation. No one can disengage and reposition like scouts can. Top end scouts and heavies both need tweaking, but they aren't as woefully underpowered as you seem to believe. |
Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You always leave mobility out of the equation. No one can disengage and reposition like scouts can. Top end scouts and heavies both need tweaking, but they aren't as woefully underpowered as you seem to believe.
Re-FLeX wrote: Their speed isn't some sort of significant advantage (only 8-10% over a Assault suit), Their reconnaissance aren't either (10% increase in both profile dampening and precision).
The only real advantage we get is a decreased hitbox and a faster recharge rate on the shields (No shield recharge delay since its still a 10s delay on depletion and only .8s faster on normal delay over a assault suit).
Now match those two advantages against the disadvantages (44.4% decreased shields, 31% decreased CPU, 1 less high slot, no sidearm if you want to use the VK1 (compared to assault suits) seems to me like the disadvantages faaaar outweigh the advantages the suit has at the moment
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2021
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:28:00 -
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Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:29:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Dude was actually taken out by a shotgun scout (mostly of camera) to his left. Take both hands and extend only the index finger and thumb. Hold them in front of your face. The one that's shaped like an L is the one on the left. Should help you avoid this confusion in the future.
Also, if you check the killfeed, it was Re-Flex. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:30:00 -
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As someone who has used this quite extensively I fully agree. Just to make a complete fit, I have to put in 2 enhanced CPU modifiers. This takes away from the high stamina/speed which defeats the purpose of a Scout suit.
Also, 10-12% Base Speed Buff is also required. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
316
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place. I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh. |
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place. Scouts need scout only weapons or something, since shotguns are really the only thing worth putting on scouts, thanks to said mobility. Nova knives will be pretty sick if they let us sprint while charging them, but yea, I guess the only complaint of yours that I can get behind is that the only viable weapon for them right now is the shotgun.
Nova Knives are useless with or without sprinting, just use the sprinting bug and you'll find out. Scout Suit is underpowered, I can achieve the same mobility in a Assault Suit just by adding a Basic Kinetic Catalyzer. It needs a revamp to find its place. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2021
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:32:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh.
I couldn't agree more. I wish I could take out all my points in heavies and dropships and just dump them into scouts.....cest la vis |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:33:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place. I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh.
Once you actually skill up into it, you realize how much of a disadvantage you are with it against other ADV suits. I have to use skill and thinking to survive, while they tank nearly double what I have, with slightly lower speed. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2021
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:34:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote: Nova Knives are useless with or without sprinting, just use the sprinting bug and you'll find out. Scout Suit is underpowered, I can achieve the same mobility in a Assault Suit just by adding a Basic Kinetic Catalyzer. It needs a revamp to find its place.
You will never, ever be as mobile as a scout suit, because no suit can jump like the scout. It seems so minor, but that jump distance is huge and is my favorite advantage of the suit. It is so easy to sneak up on people, get a few kills, then disappear before they can eat through my shields, which regen to max in about 3 seconds.
I'm not saying the suits don't need looking into. If anything, I think scouts are almost fine, and assault suits are just too damn good. Just like the AR, they're far too good in all situations without any real noticeable drawbacks. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Add in the small hitbox too. It's awesome. Scout is my fav suit now. I like it better than my heavy tbh. I couldn't agree more. I wish I could take out all my points in heavies and dropships and just dump them into scouts.....cest la vis
Then you regret it as you see Assaults doing twice as good as you. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:35:00 -
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CCP needs to rethink how they are doing suits as a whole.
Scouts lack CPU.
Assaults lack PG.
There are no skills to lower PG for fitting items like there is for CPU. Not hijacking thread my man, just stating they need to look at ALL suits not just scout.
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:35:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. I believe the scout is supposed to be a scout- thus the name. As far as CPU, I've never had a problem with it. Then again, I haven't skilled far into it yet. Hmm.. There are different ways a scout can be looked at. I personally play it as a mobile killer on my alt. I think I do pretty well with it. Also to Reflex: I see what you mean. There is no point of the extra equipment since you won't be able to fit anything there anyways lol. A CPU upgrade is the only thing to get around it... The only suit that actually needs it lol.
I agree with Djinn there should be unlimited ways to do a scout just like the other suits.
This is just not the way it is right now though. The scout is very limited to being a scout and a really good players interestingly played mobile killer. Thought the mobile killer is rather limited as opposed to an assault it is only really used by those who enjoy the scout. It can really excel in the area of the scout recon but, the game kinda hurts it there with maps that are so close together along with the CQC based weapons. When we go back to scopes and the maps really open up I feel that the cloak and scanner type scout will be great along with the cloak and dagger style as well. The mobile killer will get better along with these to given its faster movement and the distance for gun game will change a lot to.
I run a scout now it is nothing but a 6000 ISK Dragon Fly set up like a poor mans Assault. This is because I went into a DS and am just now getting to put SP elsewhere and that is the only way I have to play it right now but that will change with time given my SP gain.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that the scout doesn't need a buff for me I would like to see it go to scan precision, scan radius, scan profile, and a small speed buff. The CPU/PG should be looked at given its abilities as well but not saying it really needs to do a lot there. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Icy Tiger wrote: Nova Knives are useless with or without sprinting, just use the sprinting bug and you'll find out. Scout Suit is underpowered, I can achieve the same mobility in a Assault Suit just by adding a Basic Kinetic Catalyzer. It needs a revamp to find its place.
You will never, ever be as mobile as a scout suit, because no suit can jump like the scout. It seems so minor, but that jump distance is huge and is my favorite advantage of the suit. It is so easy to sneak up on people, get a few kills, then disappear before they can eat through my shields, which regen to max in about 3 seconds.
Yes, and the massive penalty is not being able to stand still and aim. Even a militia guy can completely take me out if I stand still for 2+ seconds in my A-series suit. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
170
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mobility. Not speed. Ability to jump long distances over obstacles to quickly lose your enemies. I do it constantly, it's the whole reason I play a scout in the first place. Scouts need scout only weapons or something, since shotguns are really the only thing worth putting on scouts, thanks to said mobility. Nova knives will be pretty sick if they let us sprint while charging them, but yea, I guess the only complaint of yours that I can get behind is that the only viable weapon for them right now is the shotgun.
OOOh okay you wanna talk mobilty? k here's one for you
Strafe speed difference between scout and assault approx ~ between 2,8 for scout and 2,55 for assault Stamina difference ~180 for scout and 150 for assault (Maxing out vigor will completely disgard the small difference) Stamina regen differnce ~18.0 / s for scout and 17.2 / s for assault |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1090
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:36:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:I ask as well how are you trying to fit it are you going for the mobile killer or the scout set up. I believe the scout is infact suppose to be a mobile killer. I believe the scout is supposed to be a scout- thus the name. As far as CPU, I've never had a problem with it. Then again, I haven't skilled far into it yet. Hmm.. There are different ways a scout can be looked at. I personally play it as a mobile killer on my alt. I think I do pretty well with it. Also to Reflex: I see what you mean. There is no point of the extra equipment since you won't be able to fit anything there anyways lol. A CPU upgrade is the only thing to get around it... The only suit that actually needs it lol. I agree with Djinn there should be unlimited ways to do a scout just like the other suits. This is just not the way it is right now though. The scout is very limited to being a scout and a really good players interestingly played mobile killer. Thought the mobile killer is rather limited as opposed to an assault it is only really used by those who enjoy the scout. It can really excel in the area of the scout recon but, the game kinda hurts it there with maps that are so close together along with the CQC based weapons. When we go back to scopes and the maps really open up I feel that the cloak and scanner type scout will be great along with the cloak and dagger style as well. The mobile killer will get better along with these to given its faster movement and the distance for gun game will change a lot to. I run a scout now it is nothing but a 6000 ISK Dragon Fly set up like a poor mans Assault. This is because I went into a DS and am just now getting to put SP elsewhere and that is the only way I have to play it right now but that will change with time given my SP gain. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that the scout doesn't need a buff for me I would like to see it go to scan precision, scan radius, scan profile, and a small speed buff. The CPU/PG should be looked at given its abilities as well but not saying it really needs to do a lot there.
I agree it need small minor buffs, but in a whole lot of places. |
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