DUST Search - My Response to the Worst Review of Dust 514

GeneralButtNaked wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots.

This is typical of the elitist attitude that will surely kill this game dead if it ever gets an official release.

The small subset of player who figure that anyone who doesn't "get it" must be stupid, or a CoD fanboy, is really starting to get on my nerves.

I enjoy Dust, and I am really hopeful for where the game might end up in the future, but that does not make me blind to the fact that most of the people I have pushed to try Dust have not stayed with it, and their complaints all have merit to some degree or another.

The game has problems, and is not at all welcoming to new players. The community, especially the upper echelon players, have this elitist mindset that serves only to make this worse. If all new players can expect to find if they bring up any sort of complaint is to be told to HTFU, or QQ more, or "get gud scrub", then soon enough there won't even be a need for a launch, they can just call it pubstars 514 and leave the 1000 players that stay to throw Aurum at the wall for their "elite" lobby shooter.

Too many people judging what they expect to receive from CCP over the next year, instead of looking at what we have now. What you can download from the PSN store is what counts, not what CCP is promising. And the package you can download today is a five map, two mode lobby shooter with a ridiculously high level progression, and dated graphics.

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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1953	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:14:00 - [31] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Aurum doesn't buy SP? maybe you don't understand this, but getting MORE SP is buying SP, granted it doesn't give a massive advantage, but Aurum DOES buy SP to a degree. AUR doesn't buy SP. It means you can get SP faster, but it DOESN'T mean you get more SP than another player can earn without spending real money. Without Boosters, I can earn more SP in 2 months than someone playing just as often with Boosters can earn in 1 month. There is no cap on your total SP, and there's no longer a hard cap on your SP earnings, so you can grind for SP without Boosters and max out everything you care about. If you specialise, you can max out your SP in a chosen profession and all you'll be able to do from there is diversify. If you have boosters, you can either hit your specialty then branch out earlier, or you can be a "jack of all trades, master of none" with less time invested in the game. There's no advantage to spending money that can't be made up by spending more time in the game. That's not pay-to-win, and you're not able to buy an item that hands you SP immediately. They don't GIVE you SP, they increase the SP you're already getting.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1953	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:20:00 - [32] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: Setting a FRAGO, takes 1-2 seconds in MAG, can easily take twice the time in Dust if not more. In MAG, if you're not familiar with the system, it can easily take twice as long as you're claiming. In DUST, if you're familiar with the system, you can easily set a squad order in 1 - 2 seconds. I can, at least.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:32:00 - [33] - Quote DS 10 wrote: If you haven't seen his review, here's a link. Try not to laugh at his crazy voice. SmithCommaBenjamin's Review It caught the attention of Reddit and Dust's Twitter team, so I made a response video to it. My Response Hope everyone enjoys! The DS 10 doth protest too much, methinks.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.03.12 09:17:00 - [34] - Quote Nice!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 429	Posted - 2013.03.12 09:24:00 - [35] - Quote Firestorm Zulu wrote: Lol best review of dust yet! So honest and free of fanboyism. Sorry CCP but that video was spot on, the tongue in cheek raspy voice and metal in the background was especially hilarious. Guy know his way around the game too , you could tell when he used game specific terms like head glitch. I bet some eve fanboy is raging so bad this guy called it aura not aurum. Lag? yeah. Bad hit detection? yeah. VK0 suits for aurum ? yeah. and a suit with four complex light weapon damage mods gives no advantage with a Duvolle.............sarcasm. New content??? where??? oh!! soon TM......yeah. Two game modes....four maps......sigh lets stop playing for a week to try and cut down on the burnt out.
DS 10 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 32	Posted - 2013.03.12 09:48:00 - [36] - Quote Tex Mex Aztec wrote: God forbid someone has a different opinion. It wasn't his opinion that made me do the video. It was the misinformation he had in the video. I made sure to back up my statements with some sort of proof. As far as comparing CoD to Dust, I only did that because that's what the original video did. I know the two games are different. Thanks to everyone for the support!
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 334	Posted - 2013.03.12 09:57:00 - [37] - Quote Firestorm Zulu wrote: Lol best review of dust yet! So honest and free of fanboyism. Sorry CCP but that video was spot on, the tongue in cheek raspy voice and metal in the background was especially hilarious. Guy know his way around the game too , you could tell when he used game specific terms like head glitch. I bet some eve fanboy is raging so bad this guy called it aura not aurum. Ive heard head glitch in every fps Ive played. The guy wasn't trying being a clever troll trying to enrage fanboys. He's a moron who made stuff up because he's trying to change the game to a way he thinks it should be with propaganda. The reality hes just putting people off the game and spreading misinformation. Which costs everyone with a stake in the game, even you, regardless of your devil may care attitide. You can't emotionally blackmail Devs of video games to get your way. Its doesn't work. It never has and it never will. AUR will stay and if you don't like it, tough ****. The reality is without AUR this game would not exist as the only alternative would be a subscription and then ccp wouldn't get the numbers it needs for its vision. Some people need to grow up and get a job.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 5	Posted - 2013.03.12 11:31:00 - [38] - Quote Do you ever press triangle and compare guns or equipment? So far i havent seen any "cosmetic" product being sold without some advantage attached to it. Of course one AUR weapon doesnt do much but a whole AURUM fitting does. David Reid knows nothing , he just repeats some lies coming down from CCP because he has the tongue to spin your little heads.
Tal Yamin BetaMax. CRONOS. 11	Posted - 2013.03.12 11:50:00 - [39] - Quote The whole pay-to-win argument is very finely balanced, until you consider the reduced CPU AUR options. AUR complex Heavy damage mods with vastly reduced CPU to facilitate stacking - what's the non-AUR option there?
Blamejudg3s KEQ KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.03.12 11:55:00 - [40] - Quote I get so much lag on bLag Ops2

Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 157	Posted - 2013.03.12 11:58:00 - [41] - Quote Tal Yamin wrote: The whole pay-to-win argument is very finely balanced, until you consider the reduced CPU AUR options. AUR complex Heavy damage mods with vastly reduced CPU to facilitate stacking - what's the non-AUR option there? Just be glad there is only heavy and sidearm and no light complex variant would really make it easy to stack those
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 342	Posted - 2013.03.12 14:10:00 - [42] - Quote The first review makes some valid points while completely flubbing other points so badly that it almost seems like he has not actually played the game. Do to the issue with the review itself I would note that this is a horrible review just because the reviewer did a horrible job of reviewing. I would put this review in a similar category of IGN reviews of COD titles. Specifically when they give a 9 - 9.5 on a COD game whose multiplayer was completely broken (as in not working at all) for the first month of the game for the PC and PS3 versions. (this was a couple years ago now). Its pretty obvious that this guy has no business trying to objectively review a game. His review reminds me of the bad review some paid game reviewer gave Socom 4 just because Socom 4 was not Gears of War (seriously that was his reason on why it was a bad game he noted it in his review not saying Socom 4 was a good game but the reason he stated is just ludicrous).
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3073	Posted - 2013.03.12 14:14:00 - [43] - Quote I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots. As for the reviewer he is a die hard fan boi of every other game it seems. I mean c'mon this guy probably lauded halo 4 for the lack of variety of enemies like cod (no seriously I did read one such review, last time I checked CoD only had one enemy AI type.) has and no aim down sights.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 392	Posted - 2013.03.12 15:50:00 - [44] - Quote Tal Yamin wrote: The whole pay-to-win argument is very finely balanced, until you consider the reduced CPU AUR options. AUR complex Heavy damage mods with vastly reduced CPU to facilitate stacking - what's the non-AUR option there? True, at least until we get the market going.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 753	Posted - 2013.03.12 15:51:00 - [45] - Quote DS 10 wrote: If you haven't seen his review, here's a link. Try not to laugh at his crazy voice. SmithCommaBenjamin's Review It caught the attention of Reddit and Dust's Twitter team, so I made a response video to it. My Response Hope everyone enjoys! Saw the video and LMFAO as his expert opinion LOL.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.03.12 16:19:00 - [46] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Tal Yamin wrote: The whole pay-to-win argument is very finely balanced, until you consider the reduced CPU AUR options. AUR complex Heavy damage mods with vastly reduced CPU to facilitate stacking - what's the non-AUR option there? True, at least until we get the market going. There won't be a market as people seem more than happy to P2W.
GeneralButtNaked Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 93	Posted - 2013.03.12 16:38:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots. This is typical of the elitist attitude that will surely kill this game dead if it ever gets an official release. The small subset of player who figure that anyone who doesn't "get it" must be stupid, or a CoD fanboy, is really starting to get on my nerves. I enjoy Dust, and I am really hopeful for where the game might end up in the future, but that does not make me blind to the fact that most of the people I have pushed to try Dust have not stayed with it, and their complaints all have merit to some degree or another. The game has problems, and is not at all welcoming to new players. The community, especially the upper echelon players, have this elitist mindset that serves only to make this worse. If all new players can expect to find if they bring up any sort of complaint is to be told to HTFU, or QQ more, or "get gud scrub", then soon enough there won't even be a need for a launch, they can just call it pubstars 514 and leave the 1000 players that stay to throw Aurum at the wall for their "elite" lobby shooter. Too many people judging what they expect to receive from CCP over the next year, instead of looking at what we have now. What you can download from the PSN store is what counts, not what CCP is promising. And the package you can download today is a five map, two mode lobby shooter with a ridiculously high level progression, and dated graphics.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3075	Posted - 2013.03.12 16:46:00 - [48] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots. This is typical of the elitist attitude that will surely kill this game dead if it ever gets an official release. The small subset of player who figure that anyone who doesn't "get it" must be stupid, or a CoD fanboy, is really starting to get on my nerves. I enjoy Dust, and I am really hopeful for where the game might end up in the future, but that does not make me blind to the fact that most of the people I have pushed to try Dust have not stayed with it, and their complaints all have merit to some degree or another. The game has problems, and is not at all welcoming to new players. The community, especially the upper echelon players, have this elitist mindset that serves only to make this worse. If all new players can expect to find if they bring up any sort of complaint is to be told to HTFU, or QQ more, or "get gud scrub", then soon enough there won't even be a need for a launch, they can just call it pubstars 514 and leave the 1000 players that stay to throw Aurum at the wall for their "elite" lobby shooter. Too many people judging what they expect to receive from CCP over the next year, instead of looking at what we have now. What you can download from the PSN store is what counts, not what CCP is promising. And the package you can download today is a five map, two mode lobby shooter with a ridiculously high level progression, and dated graphics. I am just saying who would you rather be your squad mate? A person who appreciates how the entire game fits all together or some angry tea bagging CoD elitist that cannot seem to tea bag at all because every time he tries to someone snipes him or blows him up. There is a certain addittude any game would need in order to migrate from one game to another. Any who refuse to drop that mind set are and luckily deserve to be called such rubbish as they're still trying to play the game as if it where a cod clone which dust 514 is certainly not. Like battlefield or halo you cannot intermix the addittudes that well and expect good results. Halo for example is cadance driven gun play. where cod is quick flex and battlefield has a bit more tactical oversight of it all. Dust 514 doesn't seem to have a centeric mode. I welcome new players, I do not welcome new idiots that wont listen to a amarr damn thing I am trying to teach them.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:10:00 - [49] - Quote That video is utter crap.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2005	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:14:00 - [50] - Quote Some people just want to play. This is not the super serious EvE bunch. It's the guys who just want to have some fun. They're not interested in being taught how to play. They want a game which is accessible and fun. Dust fails on those 2. It's why my friends played replication, and 1 day of each build since. Replication was fun. We're so far from where this game started, and no closer (from Dust perspective) to what was promised. FUBAR.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3077	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:16:00 - [51] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Some people just want to play. This is not the super serious EvE bunch. It's the guys who just want to have some fun. They're not interested in being taught how to play. They want a game which is accessible and fun. Dust fails on those 2. It's why my friends played replication, and 1 day of each build since. Replication was fun. We're so far from where this game started, and no closer (from Dust perspective) to what was promised. FUBAR. At least 0.8 is soon instead of soon(tm)... it does need to hurry up, while I enjoy chromosome's lack of crashes and invalid/cannot deploy bugs (which crop up now like 1 in 25 games) I certainly missed anything new.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 342	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:29:00 - [52] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots. This is typical of the elitist attitude that will surely kill this game dead if it ever gets an official release. The small subset of player who figure that anyone who doesn't "get it" must be stupid, or a CoD fanboy, is really starting to get on my nerves. I enjoy Dust, and I am really hopeful for where the game might end up in the future, but that does not make me blind to the fact that most of the people I have pushed to try Dust have not stayed with it, and their complaints all have merit to some degree or another. The game has problems, and is not at all welcoming to new players. The community, especially the upper echelon players, have this elitist mindset that serves only to make this worse. If all new players can expect to find if they bring up any sort of complaint is to be told to HTFU, or QQ more, or "get gud scrub", then soon enough there won't even be a need for a launch, they can just call it pubstars 514 and leave the 1000 players that stay to throw Aurum at the wall for their "elite" lobby shooter. Too many people judging what they expect to receive from CCP over the next year, instead of looking at what we have now. What you can download from the PSN store is what counts, not what CCP is promising. And the package you can download today is a five map, two mode lobby shooter with a ridiculously high level progression, and dated graphics. Actually from what I have seen your entire argument is wrong. People are more than wiling to help players learn the ins and outs of this game. When you see people say the HTFU or QQ more is when new players get on and ask to be babied by CCP. IE I want permalocks on my tanks/lavs/dropships I call in so that only I can drive it since I called it in and spent the money. Or I want snipers to do more dmg as I cant 1 shot kill someone from the hill behind my redline unless I hit them in the head. Its usually these types of posts that create alot of the HTFU or QQ more type of posts. If a new player gets on and tries to write a review based on their opinion and they dont understand several aspects of the game or missed things then usually most of the posters will discuss it with them (yes there is always some trolling in all threads but if you discount those the majority of posts either discuss the issue or try to help the OP) The biggest problem with todays gamers is that most gamers want the dev to hold their hand to help them win. They dont want to feel like they are bad at a game when they are....instead if they can get the dev to help them maintain at least a 1:1 KDR they are happy. Although CCP has noobed up alot of things this game is still more hardcore than the majority of games on the market. As a result we have more people getting on the forums wanting training wheels to assist in their bad playing.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:36:00 - [53] - Quote The biggest problem is that we are playing deathmatch in all modes, we are not playing Dust514..... its funny, you can actually go higher than a DS can fly. Lets hope there is much to come, and please remove the maps we have been playing for nearly a year, and give us some big maps, realy biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig lets try one, CCP dont underestimate your players.
GeneralButtNaked Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:52:00 - [54] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Actually from what I have seen your entire argument is wrong. People are more than wiling to help players learn the ins and outs of this game. When you see people say the HTFU or QQ more is when new players get on and ask to be babied by CCP. IE I want permalocks on my tanks/lavs/dropships I call in so that only I can drive it since I called it in and spent the money. Or I want snipers to do more dmg as I cant 1 shot kill someone from the hill behind my redline unless I hit them in the head. Its usually these types of posts that create alot of the HTFU or QQ more type of posts. If a new player gets on and tries to write a review based on their opinion and they dont understand several aspects of the game or missed things then usually most of the posters will discuss it with them (yes there is always some trolling in all threads but if you discount those the majority of posts either discuss the issue or try to help the OP) The biggest problem with todays gamers is that most gamers want the dev to hold their hand to help them win. They dont want to feel like they are bad at a game when they are....instead if they can get the dev to help them maintain at least a 1:1 KDR they are happy. Although CCP has noobed up alot of things this game is still more hardcore than the majority of games on the market. As a result we have more people getting on the forums wanting training wheels to assist in their bad playing. I have obviously seen different behaviour on the forums than you, but I am glad that you feel the community is supportive. I hope actual new players feel that way as well. But I disagree with this game being hardcore at all. Hardcore requires the most minimal of assists, and a high requirement for skill. Dust doesn't have that at all. All it requires is time, and if you don't have time, money. The only Hardcore experience that anyone has in Dust is the new guys getting stepped on. Everybody else has it easy.
MD C4 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2013.03.12 17:58:00 - [55] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: Setting a FRAGO, takes 1-2 seconds in MAG, can easily take twice the time in Dust if not more. In MAG, if you're not familiar with the system, it can easily take twice as long as you're claiming. In DUST, if you're familiar with the system, you can easily set a squad order in 1 - 2 seconds. I can, at least. Yes let's compare the two like that Gunplay and controls are better in MAG than DUST, faster, smoother, better.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1981	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:04:00 - [56] - Quote MD C4 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: Setting a FRAGO, takes 1-2 seconds in MAG, can easily take twice the time in Dust if not more. In MAG, if you're not familiar with the system, it can easily take twice as long as you're claiming. In DUST, if you're familiar with the system, you can easily set a squad order in 1 - 2 seconds. I can, at least. Yes let's compare the two like that Gunplay and controls are better in MAG than DUST, faster, smoother, better. I'm not saying everything is equal, or that DUST is a finished product. Just that with the specific example used, the system in DUST is actually not bad.
Tex Mex Aztec Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:09:00 - [57] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Tex Mex Aztec wrote: God forbid someone has a different opinion. It wasn't his opinion that made me do the video. It was the misinformation he had in the video. I made sure to back up my statements with some sort of proof. As far as comparing CoD to Dust, I only did that because that's what the original video did. I know the two games are different. Thanks to everyone for the support!
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 392	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:11:00 - [58] - Quote Three Double-A Batteries wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Tal Yamin wrote: The whole pay-to-win argument is very finely balanced, until you consider the reduced CPU AUR options. AUR complex Heavy damage mods with vastly reduced CPU to facilitate stacking - what's the non-AUR option there? True, at least until we get the market going. There won't be a market as people seem more than happy to P2W. Yo mama!
RECON BY FIRE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 68	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:25:00 - [59] - Quote His video was actually better. Most of the points he brought up were very valid, whereas you were just tickling CCP with your tonsils the entire time. There is no excuse for CCP to have allowed this game to go open beta knowing they would not be able to release any sort of meaningful update within a month of doing so and instead knowing they would be going on vacation within a month of doing so. No excuse whatsoever, thats what you call pisspoor planning and its something that I personally feel is costing this game its future right now. And you really start your video with "Its 5 1 4, get it right." A buddy and I have called it 5 14 from the time they announced its inception. Why is it even a big deal?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 393	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:28:00 - [60] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: I have called it 5 14 from the time they announced its inception. Why is it even a big deal? Five fourteen seems to be correct anyway.



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