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GeneralButtNaked
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:38:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am just glad the game is filtering out idiots.
This is typical of the elitist attitude that will surely kill this game dead if it ever gets an official release.
The small subset of player who figure that anyone who doesn't "get it" must be stupid, or a CoD fanboy, is really starting to get on my nerves.
I enjoy Dust, and I am really hopeful for where the game might end up in the future, but that does not make me blind to the fact that most of the people I have pushed to try Dust have not stayed with it, and their complaints all have merit to some degree or another.
The game has problems, and is not at all welcoming to new players. The community, especially the upper echelon players, have this elitist mindset that serves only to make this worse. If all new players can expect to find if they bring up any sort of complaint is to be told to HTFU, or QQ more, or "get gud scrub", then soon enough there won't even be a need for a launch, they can just call it pubstars 514 and leave the 1000 players that stay to throw Aurum at the wall for their "elite" lobby shooter.
Too many people judging what they expect to receive from CCP over the next year, instead of looking at what we have now. What you can download from the PSN store is what counts, not what CCP is promising. And the package you can download today is a five map, two mode lobby shooter with a ridiculously high level progression, and dated graphics. |
GeneralButtNaked
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:52:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:
Actually from what I have seen your entire argument is wrong. People are more than wiling to help players learn the ins and outs of this game. When you see people say the HTFU or QQ more is when new players get on and ask to be babied by CCP. IE I want permalocks on my tanks/lavs/dropships I call in so that only I can drive it since I called it in and spent the money. Or I want snipers to do more dmg as I cant 1 shot kill someone from the hill behind my redline unless I hit them in the head.
Its usually these types of posts that create alot of the HTFU or QQ more type of posts. If a new player gets on and tries to write a review based on their opinion and they dont understand several aspects of the game or missed things then usually most of the posters will discuss it with them (yes there is always some trolling in all threads but if you discount those the majority of posts either discuss the issue or try to help the OP)
The biggest problem with todays gamers is that most gamers want the dev to hold their hand to help them win. They dont want to feel like they are bad at a game when they are....instead if they can get the dev to help them maintain at least a 1:1 KDR they are happy. Although CCP has noobed up alot of things this game is still more hardcore than the majority of games on the market. As a result we have more people getting on the forums wanting training wheels to assist in their bad playing.
I have obviously seen different behaviour on the forums than you, but I am glad that you feel the community is supportive. I hope actual new players feel that way as well.
But I disagree with this game being hardcore at all. Hardcore requires the most minimal of assists, and a high requirement for skill. Dust doesn't have that at all. All it requires is time, and if you don't have time, money. The only Hardcore experience that anyone has in Dust is the new guys getting stepped on. Everybody else has it easy. |
GeneralButtNaked
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:57:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:
tbh, this game (like eve) isn't intended for nublets without the will to learn. as CCP said in their interviews, this is to get people clued up into getting into EVE - A much more complex arena. The attitude stays the say, you either learn it, or you don't. COD caters for the far end of the scale "plug 'n play" gamer, which is about as deep on game play as cup of ****.
That target audience will never get the game from day 1.....2... week 3 and given up by month 4. It's not the game at fault, it's their lack of investment to understand the game. He probably didn't even know there were chat rooms where he could ask people questions :p and as a result, half of his information is made up.
To the bolded:
You do realize this is a game right? A free download that doesn't come with a warning that you have to be prepared to invest time and much mental faculties into it?
Does the description in the PS store tell people that before they download they should HTFU?
Saying that as a prerequisite for someone daring to try the game that they should be prepared for a serious investment of time to not suck is one hell of a hurdle to ask people to cross, for a game
Right now, the game that is asking people to jump that hurdle is a mess. No content, bad matchmaking, incomplete documentation, and more, and you want people to saddle up, book off a weekend and get down to it? For what? To get ready for some potential space war that might start at the end of the year? Or to not be behind the guys out front if this game ever gets it act together?
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GeneralButtNaked
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:59:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:The dude makes some good points on the video (along with the replies of some other people) but the game doesn't suck. The game is pretty good. A lot of people want to compare this game to COD and call it bad. He exaggerated a little with the pay-to-win angle.1. this game isn't pay to win. He said that you would have to play 100 games to make the same amount of Sp as someone who has Aurum. That's not true. Aurum just gives you the ability to buy boosters and blueprint items and some aurum only items*. Also, i don't know if any of you noticed but the Aurum dropsuits are the same dropsuits you can buy with isk, just with a different name (along with other items. The only advantage that Aurum gives is that you can buy boosters, and blueprint items so you can use your isk somewhere else. But the game is NOT pay to win.
* A lot of aurum only items have the same type item sold for isk.
P.S: If you don't like this game, please just stop playing and don't try to convince other people to leave. The people who like this game want a big community, not a one that doesn't like the game. We aren't gonna be crying if you leave. Nobody cares if you like this game or not, just don't try to tell people that the game sucks because you got spawn killed.
There are certain things that are P2W, without a doubt. The complex damage mods with lower requirements being the biggest one. Then there are things like pay to get ahead, and even those come in different quantities. However we are reaching a point where those that have used boosters now have a massive SP lead on non-boosters, and an order of magnitude more SP than noobs. This is fine, but don't pretend that it isn't a tiered subscription model.
So then it becomes pay to catch up, or pay to not get stomped. Neither of which are effective business models. Especially in the FPS genre.
Your post script is insulting though. I don't know how you came to be here, but I paid to get into the closed beta. I'm here because I want to be here, and I want the game to be good. I really support CCP in their vision, and I hope they can reach the lofty goals they have set for themselves. So yes, CCP should care if I like the game or not, because I am the exact type of customer they are looking for, someone who wants to be involved with Dust for years, and is eager to see it live up to its potential.
Why is it that if you are critical of something people assume you dislike it? If I don't think the EU fishing policy accurately represents the best interests of Scottish fisheries that does not mean I think the EU sucks. |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:35:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote: There are certain things that are P2W, without a doubt. The complex damage mods with lower requirements being the biggest one.
What? You mean less skill to use? That's how all the AUR items are. Nah, there's some with lower CPU and PG requirements. Like what? I hear people talking about them but I've never seen any that are like that.
Seismic Complex Heavy damage modifier Sliver Complex Sidearm damage modifier
Both use 23 CPU and 4 PG less than the ISK counter parts.
Tether Complex Shield Regulator uses 11 less CPU and 1 less PG
Schism Viziam Repair Tool uses 16 CPU and 4 PG less
Now, it isn't that big a deal, but those items are absolutely pay to win, if only because you cannot under any circumstances get a similar item for ISK, at least until we have P2P trading. Even then, I doubt those items w
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Bug report them.
Why?
I don't have a problem with P2W. Not at all. In fact, once the market opens up and I can finally trade stuff to this character, I am going to go full P2W/P2GA, or whatever you want to call it. Boosters, Aur proto suits, and you can best believe those P2W damage mods are going right into my fits.
I do have a problem with them saying that the game is not P2W, then having P2W items in the market.
CCP needs to decide which way they want to go, I'm good either way.
Come on 0.8! |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:50:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote: How in the holy hell did I miss those? Have they always been there? Guess I just didn't look all the way down once I hit Weaponry V.
At least since the open started.
Go forth, and enjoy P2W. |
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