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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.03.11 01:00:00 -
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My alt character "Maraud''er" is full on scout with an AR. I'm recking the pubs with it lol. So far its been really good. But I have yet to go up against a really good squad so until then... ill have to see.
I have higher kd on it than my heavy lol |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.03.11 01:00:00 -
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I would trade every single point I put in heavies and dropships in a heartbeat if I could dump it all into shotgun scout skills |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
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Posted - 2013.03.11 01:27:00 -
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AR+ anything will give good results. |
KING CHECKMATE
unlight9
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:08:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:AR+ anything will give good results. Even Heavy Drop suits......? |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:AR+ anything will give good results. Even Heavy Drop suits......? Even heavies |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:13:00 -
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I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1963
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:21:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU....
Not sure why you would ever put uplinks on a combat fit lol.
The primary strength of scouts is your ability to quickly traverse terrain, having lower profile, and slightly smaller hitbox. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... Not sure why you would ever put uplinks on a combat fit lol. The primary strength of scouts is your ability to quickly traverse terrain, having lower profile, and slightly smaller hitbox.
Translates to an excellent ability to sneak behind enemy lines and place a drop uplink to flank them |
Geth Massredux
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:33:00 -
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Scout + AR = deadly
Scout + Shotgun = sick
Heavy + shotgun= FML |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1935
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:44:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Scout + AR = deadly
Scout + Shotgun = sick
Heavy + shotgun= LOL
Heavy + Nova Knives = FML You looked like you needed that. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1935
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:46:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1963
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:48:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:[quote=DUST Fiend]Translates to an excellent ability to sneak behind enemy lines and place a drop uplink to flank them
Well yea, but you have a stealthy uplink fit for that, and an actual combat fit for once you've placed your uplinks. That's how I do it anyways, works way better for me. |
KING CHECKMATE
unlight9
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Posted - 2013.03.11 03:50:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit.
What? I run Scouts because of the Shield regen time/shield regen RATE. XD
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iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:05:00 -
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I love killing scouts..keep wearing that armor |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1935
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:15:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit. What? I run Scouts because of the Shield regen time/shield regen RATE. XD I knew I was missing something.
I should stop posting while half-asleep and heavily dosed with codeine.
...
I should, but I won't. |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit. What? I run Scouts because of the Shield regen time/shield regen RATE. XD I knew I was missing something. I should stop posting while half-asleep and heavily dosed with codeine. ... I should, but I won't.
The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.
Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.
Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:44:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... Not sure why you would ever put uplinks on a combat fit lol. The primary strength of scouts is your ability to quickly traverse terrain, having lower profile, and slightly smaller hitbox. Translates to an excellent ability to sneak behind enemy lines and place a drop uplink to flank them
This but he's also right I should make a dummy drop uplink build and so that the combat fit uses more useful things like explosives or nanohives...
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1935
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:52:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.
Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.
Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned.
Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
294
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:03:00 -
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My fit for the A series scout is
2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep
8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health. |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:03:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.
Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.
Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned. Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want.
I think scan range is bugged atm, I can see almost everyone at very far ranges. Unless it's about weapon range...scan precision is actually lower than assault at 45 dB vs assault 55 dB. That doesn't make any sense if scout is all about recon. Scan precision I understand is how often enemies appear on the radar minimap, so the higher the better... |
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WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:08:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health.
But the armor plate slows you down! If you're shield tanking maybe you should get a profile dampener...idk.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1935
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:09:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.
Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.
Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned. Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want. I think scan range is bugged atm, I can see almost everyone at very far ranges. Unless it's about weapon range...scan precision is actually lower than assault at 45 dB vs assault 55 dB. That doesn't make any sense if scout is all about recon. Scan precision I understand is how often enemies appear on the radar minimap, so the higher the better... Lower Scan Precision = better. It basically tells you the level of Scan Profile you'll be able to pick up.
And Scan Range is for enemies you can't see directly (either behind obstacles or outside your field of view). |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
294
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:13:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health. But the armor plate slows you down! If you're shield tanking maybe you should get a profile dampener...idk. Its only 3% though... Idk.. I've tried it with out the plate but i do better with it... |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:22:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.
Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.
Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned. Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want. I think scan range is bugged atm, I can see almost everyone at very far ranges. Unless it's about weapon range...scan precision is actually lower than assault at 45 dB vs assault 55 dB. That doesn't make any sense if scout is all about recon. Scan precision I understand is how often enemies appear on the radar minimap, so the higher the better... Lower Scan Precision = better. It basically tells you the level of Scan Profile you'll be able to pick up. And Scan Range is for enemies you can't see directly (either behind obstacles or outside your field of view).
Yeah got confused by the market's description as it says precision enhancers increase scan precision and profile dampeners decrease scan profile. It actually says -10% in the basic enhancer so you're right lol. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:30:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Yeah got confused by the market's description as it says precision enhancers increase scan precision and profile dampeners decrease scan profile. It actually says -10% in the basic enhancer so you're right lol. The descriptions are a bit wonky. Technically, a lower number means higher precision because of what that number actually means. It's not very well explained by the game though. |
Doc Kok
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:32:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:My alt character "Maraud''er" is full on scout with an AR. I'm recking the pubs with it lol. So far its been really good. But I have yet to go up against a really good squad so until then... ill have to see. I have higher kd on it than my heavy lol
not as awesome as your mom.. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
295
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:43:00 -
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Doc Kok wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My alt character "Maraud''er" is full on scout with an AR. I'm recking the pubs with it lol. So far its been really good. But I have yet to go up against a really good squad so until then... ill have to see. I have higher kd on it than my heavy lol not as awesome as your mom..
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Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:44:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Doc Kok wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My alt character "Maraud''er" is full on scout with an AR. I'm recking the pubs with it lol. So far its been really good. But I have yet to go up against a really good squad so until then... ill have to see. I have higher kd on it than my heavy lol not as awesome as your mom.. Your moms wasn't actually that awesome tbh |
Doc Kok
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:51:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Doc Kok wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My alt character "Maraud''er" is full on scout with an AR. I'm recking the pubs with it lol. So far its been really good. But I have yet to go up against a really good squad so until then... ill have to see. I have higher kd on it than my heavy lol not as awesome as your mom..
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:22:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health.
You clearly are the luckiest Scout alive. You are talking about Scout like it's just OP as hell when it's the weakest suit in the game. The whole you running around and just slaying everybody...Cool story bro I never see Hellstorm let alone Djinn guys rush you guys normally hide on high ground or far in back so again cool story bro... |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:38:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health. You clearly are the luckiest Scout alive. You are talking about Scout like it's just OP as hell when it's the weakest suit in the game. The whole you running around and just slaying everybody...Cool story bro I never see Hellstorm let alone Djinn guys rush you guys normally hide on high ground or far in back so again cool story bro... A good Scout plays to the advantages they have instead of the advantages everyone else has.
Look back through my posts (and the ones here) for a better explanation of why Scouts are actually awesome in the right hands. It's not about luck, it's about knowing how the suit works.
And on my tank alt, I've run into a good DJINN player running as a Scout. My girlfriend's seen one too - not sure if it's the same guy or not, but against my girlfriend, the two of them had a few encounters and it was 50/50 as to which of them was going to still be standing. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:48:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health. You clearly are the luckiest Scout alive. You are talking about Scout like it's just OP as hell when it's the weakest suit in the game. The whole you running around and just slaying everybody...Cool story bro I never see Hellstorm let alone Djinn guys rush you guys normally hide on high ground or far in back so again cool story bro... A good Scout plays to the advantages they have instead of the advantages everyone else has. Look back through my posts (and the ones here) for a better explanation of why Scouts are actually awesome in the right hands. It's not about luck, it's about knowing how the suit works. And on my tank alt, I've run into a good DJINN player running as a Scout. My girlfriend's seen one too - not sure if it's the same guy or not, but against my girlfriend, the two of them had a few encounters and it was 50/50 as to which of them was going to still be standing.
Unless your girlfriend is just a slayer of man no gunfight should be 50/50 is my point. Scout suits make us weak and easy to melt. I play close range all the time with Scout 1v1 close range all the time. Every time I see a Djinn they are somewhere really high using Mass Drivers which I could of sworn that's what I seen this guy using. They are always somewhere high and running away. I am not dissing them only stating what I see every time I see them.
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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:57:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Unless your girlfriend is just a slayer of man no gunfight should be 50/50 is my point. Scout suits make us weak and easy to melt. I play close range all the time with Scout 1v1 close range all the time. Every time I see a Djinn they are somewhere really high using Mass Drivers which I could of sworn that's what I seen this guy using. They are always somewhere high and running away. I am not dissing them only stating what I see every time I see them. My girlfriend is a Sniper more often than not. Quite a good one, too.
If she can keep Scouts at range, she almost always wins. If not, her SMG has something to say about it.
But her (heavily tanked) Assault suit was still struggling to hold up against a DJINN player in a Scout suit when they got inside her Sniper range.
And I'm not saying they're ALL good, or that they use Scouts often, just that I've seen it more than once.
I'm also trying to point out that the Scout suit isn't as weak as you're trying to claim, which was a more important point anyway. They have disadvantages, just like every suit does. They have more strengths than most people give them credit for though, and they're better than you seem to think based on your posts. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:00:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Unless your girlfriend is just a slayer of man no gunfight should be 50/50 is my point. Scout suits make us weak and easy to melt. I play close range all the time with Scout 1v1 close range all the time. Every time I see a Djinn they are somewhere really high using Mass Drivers which I could of sworn that's what I seen this guy using. They are always somewhere high and running away. I am not dissing them only stating what I see every time I see them. My girlfriend is a Sniper more often than not. Quite a good one, too. If she can keep Scouts at range, she almost always wins. If not, her SMG has something to say about it. But her (heavily tanked) Assault suit was still struggling to hold up against a DJINN player in a Scout suit when they got inside her Sniper range. And I'm not saying they're ALL good, or that they use Scouts often, just that I've seen it more than once. I'm also trying to point out that the Scout suit isn't as weak as you're trying to claim, which was a more important point anyway. They have disadvantages, just like every suit does. They have more strengths than most people give them credit for though, and they're better than you seem to think based on your posts.
So you think I am just bad mouthing my own suit for the fun of it? Have you ever played a scout suit? If not perhaps give one a whirl than tell me they have advantages don't use a shotgun either cause most scouts that's all they use and try to play it off like a Assault couldn't do the same. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:15:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So you think I am just bad mouthing my own suit for the fun of it? Have you ever played a scout suit? If not perhaps give one a whirl than tell me they have advantages don't use a shotgun either cause most scouts that's all they use and try to play it off like a Assault couldn't do the same. I use various Scout fittings, and while I run Shotguns more often on my Scout than any other weapon, I do the same with my Logi and Assault characters as well, so I can comfortably compare the performance of the suits while using the same weapons.
A Shotgun Assault is NOT as good for my playstyle as a Shotgun Scout. There are points in favour of using a Scout suit that the Assault either CAN'T match in any way, or has to sacrifice a LOT to match, and if you want to match several of the Scout's benefits with the Assault, you end up losing most of the Assault's usual advantages to do so. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:17:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So you think I am just bad mouthing my own suit for the fun of it? Have you ever played a scout suit? If not perhaps give one a whirl than tell me they have advantages don't use a shotgun either cause most scouts that's all they use and try to play it off like a Assault couldn't do the same. I use various Scout fittings, and while I run Shotguns more often on my Scout than any other weapon, I do the same with my Logi and Assault characters as well, so I can comfortably compare the performance of the suits while using the same weapons. A Shotgun Assault is NOT as good for my playstyle as a Shotgun Scout. There are points in favour of using a Scout suit that the Assault either CAN'T match in any way, or has to sacrifice a LOT to match, and if you want to match several of the Scout's benefits with the Assault, you end up losing most of the Assault's usual advantages to do so.
Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:20:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault) |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:25:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault)
What makes you use AR better on Scout, lol that just makes no sense to me the suit doesn't add AR dmg bonus or anything. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:32:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault) What makes you use AR better on Scout, lol that just makes no sense to me the suit doesn't add AR dmg bonus or anything. Same thing that makes me use a Sniper Rifle, Shotgun and SMG better on the Scout suit.
Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen.
If you're good at playing to all of those strengths, you basically guarantee that almost every fight you go into will be on your terms. |
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:34:00 -
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As a proto scout i can say that i wish I didn't spec into it, The suit is entirely not worth it due to the fact that it has the least cpu and health of all the suits combined with a 3high, 3low setup, and the small advantages it does have are insignificant compared to these drawbacks. |
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Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:36:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault) What makes you use AR better on Scout, lol that just makes no sense to me the suit doesn't add AR dmg bonus or anything. Same thing that makes me use a Sniper Rifle, Shotgun and SMG better on the Scout suit. Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen. If you're good at playing to all of those strengths, you basically guarantee that almost every fight you go into will be on your terms.
These ''advantages'' are insignificant because they can all be fit unto a assault suit and then after you fit them on there you still have a slot and cpu advantage. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
43
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:38:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:As a proto scout i can say that i wish I didn't spec into it, The suit is entirely not worth it due to the fact that it has the least cpu and health of all the suits combined with a 3high, 3low setup, and the small advantages it does have are insignificant compared to these drawbacks.
Thank you! Somebody with reason. As a proto Scout I wish I went into something else there are no CLEAR advantages that make using a Scout suit worth it. Anybody who comes up with these lame strategies are mostly shot gunners that thing the Scout is amazing only cause it gives them the speed to use their 1shot kill weapon. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:42:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:As a proto scout i can say that i wish I didn't spec into it, The suit is entirely not worth it due to the fact that it has the least cpu and health of all the suits combined with a 3high, 3low setup, and the small advantages it does have are insignificant compared to these drawbacks. Thank you! Somebody with reason. As a proto Scout I wish I went into something else there are no CLEAR advantages that make using a Scout suit worth it. Anybody who comes up with these lame strategies are mostly shot gunners that thing the Scout is amazing only cause it gives them the speed to use their 1shot kill weapon.
Assault-shotgun is a more viable option, just look at Annie Oakley from STB, ~700HP proto assault suit with a proto shotgun vs a ~400 HP proto scout that cant even fit a advanced shotgun on it if you want 400HP = LMAO at people saying shotgun scout is the most OP tactic out there. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1939
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:54:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen. These ''advantages'' are insignificant because they can all be fit unto a assault suit and then after you fit them on there you still have a slot and cpu advantage. Scan Precision and Profile can be matched with a single Low Slot module each. Scan Radius needs at least 2 modules to match.
Just the scanning capabilities requires 4 Low Slots on your Assault suit.
Matching the Scout's Shield Regen capabilities requires 2 Shield Rechargers, and a Shield Regulator
Now you're up to 2 High and 5 Low Slots. You still haven't touched Stamina, and forgot to address Sprint Speed (which there's also a module for).
I don't have access to my PS3 and the game right now, so I might be getting something mixed up, but I worked out last night that an Assault would need to use 2 High Slots and at least 7 (SEVEN) Low Slots to match all the capabilities that there are actually modules for, and there are still things the Scout can do that the Assault can't. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:01:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen. These ''advantages'' are insignificant because they can all be fit unto a assault suit and then after you fit them on there you still have a slot and cpu advantage. Scan Precision and Profile can be matched with a single Low Slot module each. Scan Radius needs at least 2 modules to match. Just the scanning capabilities requires 4 Low Slots on your Assault suit. Matching the Scout's Shield Regen capabilities requires 2 Shield Rechargers, and a Shield Regulator Now you're up to 2 High and 5 Low Slots. You still haven't touched Stamina, and forgot to address Sprint Speed (which there's also a module for). I don't have access to my PS3 and the game right now, so I might be getting something mixed up, but I worked out last night that an Assault would need to use 2 High Slots and at least 7 (SEVEN) Low Slots to match all the capabilities that there are actually modules for, and there are still things the Scout can do that the Assault can't.
Wrong, one shield recharger puts you up to almost 40HP/s, since scan precision and profile are barely used in this game all youll ever need is maybe one profile dampener, and maxing the vigor skill tree gives you enough stamina to run a marathon with in an assault suit. also the scout has the same depleted recharge delay and almost the same recharge delay as an assault
P.S if you look closely i didn't underline sprint speed for a reason, but a 10% increase over the major drawbacks the suit have arent cutting it for me. i can do 10x better in an assault suit with any weapon then what a scout suit will ever offer me. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:05:00 -
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Since this topic has completely derailed to scout fanboy's who use nothing other then a scout just for personal preference and think the minor advantages it has over the major drawbacks that get slapped in your face when you use it taking over this thread, there's no further points to be making.
Everybody knows the scout is UP (not up to par for the particular role it is supposed to fullfill) stop trying to make sense out of why it is not.
/thread |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1939
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
Re-FLeX wrote:Wrong, one shield recharger puts you up to almost 40HP/s, since scan precision and profile are barely used in this game all youll ever need is maybe one profile dampener, and maxing the vigor skill tree gives you enough stamina to run a marathon with in an assault suit. also the scout has the same depleted recharge delay and almost the same recharge delay as an assault
P.S if you look closely i didn't underline sprint speed for a reason, but a 10% increase over the major drawbacks the suit have arent cutting it for me. i can do 10x better in an assault suit with any weapon then what a scout suit will ever offer me. I'm wrong about needing two rechargers because one ALMOST gets you there? No, you're still falling short without a second. And while not a huge difference, the delay is still an advantage to the Scout, and ties into the advantage of the regen rate.
And Scan Precision and Radius are a large part of how I use my Scout suit. Just because YOU don't take advantage of those benefits, doesn't mean they aren't there, and doesn't mean they can't be turned to the Scout's advantage.
Yes, you can max out Vigor and your Assault can do a lot, but it's still falling WELL short of what a Scout can do with the same skills - and actually slightly short of the Scout WITHOUT the skills. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:07:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:Wrong, one shield recharger puts you up to almost 40HP/s, since scan precision and profile are barely used in this game all youll ever need is maybe one profile dampener, and maxing the vigor skill tree gives you enough stamina to run a marathon with in an assault suit. also the scout has the same depleted recharge delay and almost the same recharge delay as an assault
P.S if you look closely i didn't underline sprint speed for a reason, but a 10% increase over the major drawbacks the suit have arent cutting it for me. i can do 10x better in an assault suit with any weapon then what a scout suit will ever offer me. I'm wrong about needing two rechargers because one ALMOST gets you there? No, you're still falling short without a second. And Scan Precision and Radius are a large part of how I use my Scout suit. Just because YOU don't take advantage of those benefits, doesn't mean they aren't there, and doesn't mean they can't be turned to the Scout's advantage. Yes, you can max out Vigor and your Assault can do a lot, but it's still falling WELL short of what a Scout can do with the same skills - and actually slightly short of the Scout WITHOUT the skills.
*facepalm |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1939
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:17:00 -
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You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM. |
Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:23:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM. You're welcome to try and actually back up your claims, any time you like. If you can prove me wrong, I'm willing to admit it. But so far, you haven't done so.
You're the one that is so obsessed with the insignificant advantages the scout has over the assault suit that you think makes the suit better then an assault suit wich is entirely FALSE also STOP putting CAPS on words that you're trying to EXPRESS it makes you LOOK like an IDIOT.
P.S im outta here you idiots don't know what your talking about, once you spec into scout suits and have at least 6 mill specced into it then come crying back to me and ill give you a shoulder k?
Untill then i'll let sleepy zan slap the **** out of your facts, because i'm tired of typing english even though it's not a good language for me to explain the points im trying to make. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:31:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM. You're welcome to try and actually back up your claims, any time you like. If you can prove me wrong, I'm willing to admit it. But so far, you haven't done so. You're the one that is so obsessed with the insignificant advantages the scout has over the assault suit that you think makes the suit better then an assault suit wich is entirely FALSE also STOP putting CAPS on words that you're trying to EXPRESS it makes you LOOK like an IDIOT. I'm not claiming the Scout is BETTER than the Assault. just that it's not at a disadvantage WHEN YOU USE IT RIGHT. It's not a simple pick-up-and-play suit for most players, but if you can turn the advantages it has to your favour, which I can do better than with the Assault, you can get good results with it.
YOU are the one claiming the Assault is better than the Scout, which is just as false as the incorrect assumption you're making about my claims, and just as false as the claims you're incorrectly ascribing to me. You're the one with the burden of proof, and so far, you're not providing evidence to back up your claims.
And no, I won't stop using caps for emphasis until ALL the forums I'm a regular on have an easily-accessible keyboard shortcut that gives emphasis to what I'm saying without me having to learn different systems for different sites. At the moment, caps works everywhere. Always has, always will. When there's a function that lets me use bold or italics without having to move my hand from the keyboard (an inconvenience when I'm typing), and it's available on EVERY forum system on the internet and it works in all three of the browsers I use across two operating systems, then I'll use that instead. Until then, I'm sticking with what WORKS. |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:19:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM. You're welcome to try and actually back up your claims, any time you like. If you can prove me wrong, I'm willing to admit it. But so far, you haven't done so. You're the one that is so obsessed with the insignificant advantages the scout has over the assault suit that you think makes the suit better then an assault suit wich is entirely FALSE also STOP putting CAPS on words that you're trying to EXPRESS it makes you LOOK like an IDIOT. I'm not claiming the Scout is BETTER than the Assault. just that it's not at a disadvantage WHEN YOU USE IT RIGHT. It's not a simple pick-up-and-play suit for most players, but if you can turn the advantages it has to your favour, which I can do better than with the Assault, you can get good results with it. Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:30:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread. |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:33:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread. It is.
Well fit assault>well fit scout=scout useless do to it being overshadowed by assault suits
Sorry I don't feel like making a better arguement atm |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
15
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:36:00 -
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someone post this awsome assault fit that can do everything better than a scout so i can see what ive been doing wrong
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1942
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:58:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread. It is. Well fit assault>well fit scout=scout useless do to it being overshadowed by assault suits Sorry I don't feel like making a better arguement atm Proof? I've been providing evidence and explanations for why that's not true.
If you can actually provide something that backs up your claim, I'm listening. |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:02:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread. It is. Well fit assault>well fit scout=scout useless do to it being overshadowed by assault suits Sorry I don't feel like making a better arguement atm Proof? I've been providing evidence and explanations for why that's not true. If you can actually provide something that backs up your claim, I'm listening. Like I said, I'll be making better arguments later after my coffee. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:44:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:someone post this awsome assault fit that can do everything better than a scout so i can see what ive been doing wrong
What I had atm for scout:
-Scout "Dragonfly" -Shield Extender (militia) -Shotgun (merc pack) -Scrambler Pistol -Locus Grenade -Drop Uplink -CPU Upgrade -Armor Repairer
122 shield HP, 45 dB scan profile (the less the better), 5.6 walk speed, 4.0 shield regen delay (the less the better)
For assault:
-Assault Type-2 -Shotgun (merc pack) -Toxin SMG -Locus Grenade -2 Shield Extenders (militia) -Drop Uplink -Armor Repairer -Profile Dampener
269 shields HP, 42.5 dB scan profile, 5.1 walk speed, 4.8 shield regen delay
As you can see I need a CPU to use the scout (circuitry lvl 4 atm). Can't even fit a profile dampener and only 1 shield extender because of one high slot. This is assuming the Dragonfly suit is comparable to a type-2 assault, which I believe is does due to being a bit better than a type-1 scout. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1970
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:49:00 -
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Basically all I've learned from this thread is that Assault suits are more OP than scouts, and Heavy Suits are still more UP than scouts.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
16
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:03:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:someone post this awsome assault fit that can do everything better than a scout so i can see what ive been doing wrong
What I had atm for scout: -Scout "Dragonfly" -Shield Extender (militia) -Shotgun (merc pack) -Scrambler Pistol -Locus Grenade -Drop Uplink -CPU Upgrade -Armor Repairer 122 shield HP, 45 dB scan profile (the less the better), 45 dB scan precision (the less the better), 5.6 walk speed, 4.0 shield regen delay (the less the better) For assault: -Assault Type-2 -Shotgun (merc pack) -Toxin SMG -Locus Grenade -2 Shield Extenders (militia) -Drop Uplink -Armor Repairer -Profile Dampener 269 shields HP, 42.5 dB scan profile, 55 dB scan precision, 5.1 walk speed, 4.8 shield regen delay As you can see I need a CPU to use the scout (circuitry lvl 4 atm). Can't even fit a profile dampener and only 1 shield extender because of one high slot. This is assuming the Dragonfly suit is comparable to a type-2 assault, which I believe is does due to being a bit better than a type-1 scout.
the assault fit compared to what i use with all the skills at 5(cept long range scan which is at 2)
militia scout suit complex profile damp or basic range amp complex precision enhancer assault rifle locus nades nova knives remote explosives
is not better at all and your scout fit is just a poor assault fit |
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
238
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:05:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:AR+ anything will give good results. Even Heavy Drop suits......? Even heavies
I thought you(sleepy) went away, do you need me to send you a ps3 or something? |
Snaps Tremor
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:35:00 -
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I can't recall who said profile wasn't relevant yet, but... you know those times when an Assault suit turns a corner and gets insta-burst by a shotgun before they had a chance to counter, causing much rage and shotgun fairy noob no-skill OP comments? That's profile. Buffing all that EHP and all that GEK won't save you if the other person sees you coming a mile off while you're walking in blind. It's the nature of the game that we're all pretty squishy no matter how much tweaking you do.
Right now playing as scout with buffed profile is like a hunting simulator where you're dropped into a forest of angry dumb gorillas who make rapid spitting noises if they see you. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1973
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
Also ITT: Some seriously bad fits lmfao |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
323
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:50:00 -
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Max out profile damp and dropsuit command its pretty much a free 22.5 profile... combine that with profile analysis and longe range scanning you get like a 34.something scan resolution at a range that makes other suits look like blind elephants...
Thats only with skills put on a mod... no one hides... no one!
Now match that with a red vial green vial maxer endurance vigor and systems hacking and a mod...
Not only are you almost invisible (unless someone is looking at you no matter the distance...) you reach insane speeds and it is almost impossible to run out of stamina... You become an objective hacking ninja...
That can hit points hack and be gone looooong before backup arrives to stop you
Playing a scout can be amazing but skill intensive. Nice thing is all those skillls will benefit your other suits nicely :)
Most suits can't detect my logi suit without mods either and he can run for a good amount of time... and hacking time is laughable even when rehacking. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
232
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:21:00 -
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---CAVEAT THIS IS ALL THEORY, PRACTICE IS ANOTHER STORY-PLAYING IN A WAY THAT MAXIMIZES THIS IS DIFFICULT---
One thing I look at is 'what each suit can rep in one minute' or in other words, 'how much damage they could take in one minute'-and this IS an ideal scenario yes...
Scout I: Shield recharge rate = 40, depleted delay = 10 s, regular delay = 4 seconds, base shield = 100 Assault II: Shield recharge rate = 25 (40% less), depleted delay = 10 s (same), regular delay = 4.8 seconds (20% slower), base shield 225
Depletion (low end of damage absorbtion rate) Assumptions:
no skills or modules on an assault II and scout I, and that each suits shields are always fully depleted (and each suit escapes in time before they lose all their armor), and that each 'depletion round' takes ~ 3 seconds. No interruptions during recharge cycle (assumes x seconds in cover/avoiding).
Round 1 of depletion (@ second 3) Scout I: Has 0 shield HP (Received 100 HP damage total) Assault II: Has 0 shield HP (Received 225 HP damage total)
Round 1 Delay (begins @ second 3 finishes at second 13)
Round 1 recharge cycle Scout I: recharges 40 HP/s or 100 HP (full) in 3 seconds Assault II: recharges 25 HP/s or 100 HP (scout amount) in 4 seconds or 225 HP (full in 9 seconds)
So a full scout I cycle will take 16 seconds and 'absorb/rep' 100 HP (6.3/s) (13 s cover/ cycle) A partial assault II cycle that matches the scout for HP rep will take 17 seconds and absorb/rep 100 HP. (5.9/s) (14 s cover/ cycle) A full assault II cycle will take 22 seconds and rep 225 HP (10.2/s) (19 sec cover/cycle)
Delay only (upper end of damage absorbtion rate)
Round 1 of depletion (@ second 3) Scout I: Has 1 shield HP (Received 99 HP damage total) Assault II: Has 1 shield HP (Received 224 HP damage total)
Round 1 delay: Scout 1: begins at second 3, ends at second 7 Assault II: begins at second 3, ends at second 8
Round 1 recharge cycle Scout I: recharges 40 HP/s for 99 HP (full) in 3 seconds Assault II: recharges 25 HP/s for 99 HP (scout amount) in 4 seconds or 224 HP (full in 9 seconds)
So a full scout I delayed cycle will take 10 seconds and rep 99 HP. 9.9 HP/s (7 s cover/cycle) A partial assault II cycle will take 12 seconds and rep 99 HP. 8.25 HP/s (9 s cover/cycle) A full assault II cycle will take 17 seconds and rep 225 HP. 13.2 HP/s (14 s cover/cycle)
So during the delayed cycles, scouts can be applying their damage for those 3 seconds of their 10 second cycle or 30% of the time while an assault who partially heals will be applying damage 25% of the time, and a conservative assault will apply damage for only ~18% of the time of their cycle. Assuming full depletions these numbers aren't as divergent.
A final note: without skills the performance of the scouts recharge ability isn't fully reflective, because of its base skills and shield amount Shield Boost Systems and Shield control will actually scale its performance even better than the assault since up to 20% of its recharge can be lost every cycle due to the remainder that can't go into more shield (3 seconds of recharge should give 120HP).
In other words, with max skills, the shield absorbtion rate of a scout I is theoretically 15-20% better than these numbers compared to the assault II especially when you factor in modules.
TL;DR- So in summary, at its highest level of performance, a scout can probably spend 25% less time in cover than an assault II using the same dodge/cover/aggressiveness, and also absorb 'skirmish' damage at a 20-30% higher rate. It is burst damage or where players are standing still or taking significant damage in periods that last <10 seconds where assaults succeed. This SHOULD mean that, where there is cover, scouts should excel. Not to mention, their detection skills should give them the advantage when they are jumping back in to the fray. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
302
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Proto scout with shield extenders, no matter the weapon, is some of the most fun you can have on this game. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
299
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:32:00 -
[67] - Quote
To all those arguing about whether the scout is better than the assault or otherwise...
The assault suit is clearly the best. However I myself am doing better on my scout character than on my assault character. That's just me personally
For me personally- the slight mobility it has over the assault (and the smaller hit box) as well as its extra stamina and regen of it, (and regen of shields) are amazing to me. I don't wanna sound like I'm claiming to be the best scout in the game, but instead my point of making this thread was to point out how underestimated scouts are.
Yes, scouts still need a buff. But if you strafe well(admitingly im not that good at strafing) you could do pretty well in that suit. However I believe you would need at least A series because it allows for 2 complex shields which are awesome. |
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