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WyrmHero1945 wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

WyrmHero1945 wrote:

The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work.

Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version.

Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame.

Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned.

Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want.

I think scan range is bugged atm, I can see almost everyone at very far ranges. Unless it's about weapon range...scan precision is actually lower than assault at 45 dB vs assault 55 dB. That doesn't make any sense if scout is all about recon. Scan precision I understand is how often enemies appear on the radar minimap, so the higher the better...


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:44:00 - [1] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Scout + AR = deadly Scout + Shotgun = sick Heavy + shotgun= LOL Heavy + Nova Knives = FML You looked like you needed that.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:46:00 - [2] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:15:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: I just tried scout shotgun and changed to assault type -2 and speed is not worth the -100 shields imo. Couldn't even fit uplinks without CPU.... That's because you're relying purely on the SPEED, and not the scanning, profile and stamina advantages that also come with the suit. If you think that all you're getting is more speed, you shouldn't be running a Scout suit. What? I run Scouts because of the Shield regen time/shield regen RATE. XD I knew I was missing something. I should stop posting while half-asleep and heavily dosed with codeine. ... I should, but I won't.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:52:00 - [4] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work. Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version. Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned. Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 05:09:00 - [5] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: The scout won't let me equip profile dampener + armor repairer + uplink because of low CPU. The assault type 2 let me equip profile dampener for 42.5 profile vs 45 profile of the scout. Stamina is great but I manage stamina well and don't always jump to dodge bullets, I rather strafe and let my shields do their work. Shield recharge delay is the same as assault and +15 shield recharge is not significant because scout have low shields anyway lol. So that's why I was looking at the speed aspect only...It's sad because I really want to use scouts but I guess I'll have to wait for buff or the Caldari version. Edit: Shield recharge delay of assault is 4.8 vs scout 4.0. It was the only worthwhile thing I was trying to stack but assault wins. Lame. Regen delay and speed advantages on the Scout are great if you can play to them effectively. And you're missing the OTHER advantages we mentioned. Scan Precision and Scan Range are both better on the Scout, and by a larger margin than its advantage in Scan Profile. If you can play to THOSE advantages as well, then the Scout is worth having. If not, stick with the Assault. I'm looking forward to seeing what a Caldari small frame suit can do as well - I'm hoping it suits me even better, because I'm sick of having to run Gallente to get what I want. I think scan range is bugged atm, I can see almost everyone at very far ranges. Unless it's about weapon range...scan precision is actually lower than assault at 45 dB vs assault 55 dB. That doesn't make any sense if scout is all about recon. Scan precision I understand is how often enemies appear on the radar minimap, so the higher the better... Lower Scan Precision = better. It basically tells you the level of Scan Profile you'll be able to pick up. And Scan Range is for enemies you can't see directly (either behind obstacles or outside your field of view).
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1935	Posted - 2013.03.11 05:30:00 - [6] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Yeah got confused by the market's description as it says precision enhancers increase scan precision and profile dampeners decrease scan profile. It actually says -10% in the basic enhancer so you're right lol. The descriptions are a bit wonky. Technically, a lower number means higher precision because of what that number actually means. It's not very well explained by the game though.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1938	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:38:00 - [7] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: My fit for the A series scout is 2x complex extender Assault rifle SMG Nano hive Basic armor plate Militia armor rep 8 kd so far with about 300 kills. The best part is when I run right inside the blob of Reds in ambush and then run away with barely any health. You clearly are the luckiest Scout alive. You are talking about Scout like it's just OP as hell when it's the weakest suit in the game. The whole you running around and just slaying everybody...Cool story bro I never see Hellstorm let alone Djinn guys rush you guys normally hide on high ground or far in back so again cool story bro... A good Scout plays to the advantages they have instead of the advantages everyone else has. Look back through my posts (and the ones here) for a better explanation of why Scouts are actually awesome in the right hands. It's not about luck, it's about knowing how the suit works. And on my tank alt, I've run into a good DJINN player running as a Scout. My girlfriend's seen one too - not sure if it's the same guy or not, but against my girlfriend, the two of them had a few encounters and it was 50/50 as to which of them was going to still be standing.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1938	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:57:00 - [8] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Unless your girlfriend is just a slayer of man no gunfight should be 50/50 is my point. Scout suits make us weak and easy to melt. I play close range all the time with Scout 1v1 close range all the time. Every time I see a Djinn they are somewhere really high using Mass Drivers which I could of sworn that's what I seen this guy using. They are always somewhere high and running away. I am not dissing them only stating what I see every time I see them. My girlfriend is a Sniper more often than not. Quite a good one, too. If she can keep Scouts at range, she almost always wins. If not, her SMG has something to say about it. But her (heavily tanked) Assault suit was still struggling to hold up against a DJINN player in a Scout suit when they got inside her Sniper range. And I'm not saying they're ALL good, or that they use Scouts often, just that I've seen it more than once. I'm also trying to point out that the Scout suit isn't as weak as you're trying to claim, which was a more important point anyway. They have disadvantages, just like every suit does. They have more strengths than most people give them credit for though, and they're better than you seem to think based on your posts.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:15:00 - [9] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: So you think I am just bad mouthing my own suit for the fun of it? Have you ever played a scout suit? If not perhaps give one a whirl than tell me they have advantages don't use a shotgun either cause most scouts that's all they use and try to play it off like a Assault couldn't do the same. I use various Scout fittings, and while I run Shotguns more often on my Scout than any other weapon, I do the same with my Logi and Assault characters as well, so I can comfortably compare the performance of the suits while using the same weapons. A Shotgun Assault is NOT as good for my playstyle as a Shotgun Scout. There are points in favour of using a Scout suit that the Assault either CAN'T match in any way, or has to sacrifice a LOT to match, and if you want to match several of the Scout's benefits with the Assault, you end up losing most of the Assault's usual advantages to do so.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:20:00 - [10] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault)

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:32:00 - [11] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Seems like the only 2 weapons Scout are effective with is Sniper rifle and Shotgun. I use them with SMGs and ARs with reasonable success. I'm not very good with ARs in DUST, but I can use them well enough on a Scout suit (better than I can use them on an Assault) What makes you use AR better on Scout, lol that just makes no sense to me the suit doesn't add AR dmg bonus or anything. Same thing that makes me use a Sniper Rifle, Shotgun and SMG better on the Scout suit. Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen. If you're good at playing to all of those strengths, you basically guarantee that almost every fight you go into will be on your terms.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:54:00 - [12] - Quote Re-FLeX wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scan Profile. Scan Precision. Scan Radius. Sprint Speed. Strafe Speed. Max Stamina. Stamina Regen. Shield Regen. These ''advantages'' are insignificant because they can all be fit unto a assault suit and then after you fit them on there you still have a slot and cpu advantage. Scan Precision and Profile can be matched with a single Low Slot module each. Scan Radius needs at least 2 modules to match. Just the scanning capabilities requires 4 Low Slots on your Assault suit. Matching the Scout's Shield Regen capabilities requires 2 Shield Rechargers, and a Shield Regulator Now you're up to 2 High and 5 Low Slots. You still haven't touched Stamina, and forgot to address Sprint Speed (which there's also a module for). I don't have access to my PS3 and the game right now, so I might be getting something mixed up, but I worked out last night that an Assault would need to use 2 High Slots and at least 7 (SEVEN) Low Slots to match all the capabilities that there are actually modules for, and there are still things the Scout can do that the Assault can't.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 11:05:00 - [13] - Quote Re-FLeX wrote: Wrong, one shield recharger puts you up to almost 40HP/s, since scan precision and profile are barely used in this game all youll ever need is maybe one profile dampener, and maxing the vigor skill tree gives you enough stamina to run a marathon with in an assault suit. also the scout has the same depleted recharge delay and almost the same recharge delay as an assault P.S if you look closely i didn't underline sprint speed for a reason, but a 10% increase over the major drawbacks the suit have arent cutting it for me. i can do 10x better in an assault suit with any weapon then what a scout suit will ever offer me. I'm wrong about needing two rechargers because one ALMOST gets you there? No, you're still falling short without a second. And while not a huge difference, the delay is still an advantage to the Scout, and ties into the advantage of the regen rate. And Scan Precision and Radius are a large part of how I use my Scout suit. Just because YOU don't take advantage of those benefits, doesn't mean they aren't there, and doesn't mean they can't be turned to the Scout's advantage. Yes, you can max out Vigor and your Assault can do a lot, but it's still falling WELL short of what a Scout can do with the same skills - and actually slightly short of the Scout WITHOUT the skills.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 11:17:00 - [14] - Quote Re-FLeX wrote: *facepalm You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1940	Posted - 2013.03.11 11:31:00 - [15] - Quote Re-FLeX wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Re-FLeX wrote: facepalm You're the one who included Scan Precision and Radius on your list of stats the Assault can match. Then you claimed they don't matter (when you're good with a Scout, they're a core reason WHY the Scout is a good suit) and dismissed the fact that YOU HAD CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THEM. You're welcome to try and actually back up your claims, any time you like. If you can prove me wrong, I'm willing to admit it. But so far, you haven't done so. You're the one that is so obsessed with the insignificant advantages the scout has over the assault suit that you think makes the suit better then an assault suit wich is entirely FALSE also STOP putting CAPS on words that you're trying to EXPRESS it makes you LOOK like an IDIOT. I'm not claiming the Scout is BETTER than the Assault. just that it's not at a disadvantage WHEN YOU USE IT RIGHT. It's not a simple pick-up-and-play suit for most players, but if you can turn the advantages it has to your favour, which I can do better than with the Assault, you can get good results with it. YOU are the one claiming the Assault is better than the Scout, which is just as false as the incorrect assumption you're making about my claims, and just as false as the claims you're incorrectly ascribing to me. You're the one with the burden of proof, and so far, you're not providing evidence to back up your claims. And no, I won't stop using caps for emphasis until ALL the forums I'm a regular on have an easily-accessible keyboard shortcut that gives emphasis to what I'm saying without me having to learn different systems for different sites. At the moment, caps works everywhere. Always has, always will. When there's a function that lets me use bold* or italics without having to move my hand from the keyboard (an inconvenience when I'm typing), and it's available on EVERY forum system on the internet and it works in all three of the browsers I use across two operating systems, then I'll use that instead. Until then, I'm sticking with what WORKS.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1942	Posted - 2013.03.11 13:30:00 - [16] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1942	Posted - 2013.03.11 13:58:00 - [17] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Re-FLex is actually one of the best scouts in the game, he knows how to use the suit to it's potential. Then he should know that it's not as disadvantaged as he's claiming it to be in this thread. It is. Well fit assault>well fit scout=scout useless do to it being overshadowed by assault suits Sorry I don't feel like making a better arguement atm Proof? I've been providing evidence and explanations for why that's not true. If you can actually provide something that backs up your claim, I'm listening.