I agree that it is nothing to cry about, especially considering that most redliners cant shoot for ****, but heres my question, where have yo ever read or watched a documentary of people fighting people, where one side couldnt get to the enemy because of some imaginary barrier?

Genocide of Rwanda. UN troops couldn't cross a certain point and they literally had to watch innocent people get slaughtered. And the rebels were not dumb enough to shoot at UN troops.

I agree that it is nothing to cry about, especially considering that most redliners cant shoot for ****, but heres my question, where have yo ever read or watched a documentary of people fighting people, where one side couldnt get to the enemy because of some imaginary barrier?

Redline sniping, means you have already lost the battle, or well have no gun game and can't fight for crap.

its not about realism
its about using all steeping stones you can to achieve the end result

America wanted a (fair) war in Vietnam
look what happened there ?

look up any documentation about Sun Tzu it will most likely mention that battle and how the general thought of the battle field with a single minded approach and that in turn lost him the diplomatic war
yet the leaders of the Vietnam resistance caused the Vietnam general to fail

Sun Tzu was in Vietnam? Really?

Sun Tzu was in Vietnam? Really?

Not even the right country let alone the right time period.

Red line sniping should not be encouraged.

Redline snipers should be kicked from the battle.

Redline sniping doesn't help by much.

kd/r

I tthink this is a perrfectly legitimate game tactic if yoou don't adapt you willl die i found this out in eve llong story short
you guys should stop complaining about it and attempting to ruin red line snipers days and just embrace it as another objective to victory

as Sun Tzu said
when you look at a battle you should see the end result and steps you must take to get there

the steps you should take should be flexible and can change in a instant

(so this can mean you should look at winning matches and redline sniping can be one of the ways spawn camping can be another one ccp can patch these out in a instant so be ready and don't complain when things don't always works the same way every time)

ive had tons of matches
where a corp member in team speak has sat back and giving us lintel on where the enemy team is
provided cover fire to corp members who have been pined down even defended points single-highhandedly from the base

id like to see some one in a assault suit do more than just run at the target shoot them and hope they die
every person he spots will die or be in a position that we will never show up to and be useless to his team

we don't kill him since we don't need to
its not about kd/r its about winning the battle and winning the war

I almost agree with you.

Right now, people can and therefore will use the red zone to their advantage. Can't blame people for that.

However, I feel that the system allowing this is at fault and should be changed.

Funny thing is that when you bring that up in these forums you are drowned in tears by people crying about how red zone sniping makes perfect sense and is a very logical thing and should never be changed and people wanting it changed are just crying because they were killed by a sniper.

This of course makes no sense at all, but trying to explain that to someone who believes he/she is special because he/she is a sniper and should have extra special protection is.... difficult ;)

People cry about redline snipers because it's stupid. The point of skirmish is to hack things not kill people.

You could go 0/20 and still come first by hacking things, placing drop links, reaping people etc.

Redline sniping = instant fail

People cry about redline snipers because it's stupid. The point of skirmish is to hack things not kill people.

You could go 0/20 and still come first by hacking things, placing drop links, reaping people etc.

If the entire other team sits on the red line and tries to snipe the entire time, my team will cap the null cannons and win.

I think there are ways to fix both these problems, but I've found (by writing a suggestion for it in the feedback forums) that it's a touchy subject

Actually I thought you and I were starting to make progress on that front, we just got caught up in semantics. If you'd like to, go ahead and ressurect that thread and we'll continue to hash it out. You said some things there that got me thinking, and I think we can make some real progress on the redline issue. I've said many times that I like to play Sniper, and I'll snipe from wherever I can get a view of my chosen objective be it inside the redline, or out. But I also feel that there really shouldn't be any place on the map that is truly safe.

Yes but how many games ha e you started and had six and seven snipers right out of the gate ?

I had one game yesterday with 9 ....That turned out so well ....sniping is really broke in this game you have to admit...

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as Sun Tzu said
when you look at a battle you should see the end result and steps you must take to get there

the steps you should take should be flexible and can change in a instant.

I play with several squads (Hey Syther) and some of them just love to hunt Snipers, Red Line or not.

Manus Peak top of the hill, easy pickings. Or at the other end there is a small hill between the MCC and the ground spawn. I just finished a match and we got the sniper there as well as on the buildings in the Red. Good times when they run back to the ground spawn thinking they are safe and they get dropped as soon as they jump out of their LAV.

Hunting Snipers is fun. Even when I miss, as soon as they start running and CoD hopping then they sure aren't sniping. If they aren't too far back a Scout Shotty can run up and pop them from behind and they are so intent on their scope they never see it coming. Hmm. My alt should try using a Mass Driver for Sniper Denial.

Given a choice I prefer to hunt them with a Large Rail Gun. Vaporized Snipers smell like Victory.

The thing is - if redline sniping could bring about victory then sure knock yourself out. The reason it gets so much hate is because it pretty much garuntees your team won't win. To protect your precious kdr you stop contributing to the win. That's why 99.99999999% percent of the time redline sniping is for pussies

I tthink this is a perrfectly legitimate game tactic if yoou don't adapt you willl die i found this out in eve llong story short
you guys should stop complaining about it and attempting to ruin red line snipers days and just embrace it as another objective to victory

as Sun Tzu said
when you look at a battle you should see the end result and steps you must take to get there

the steps you should take should be flexible and can change in a instant

(so this can mean you should look at winning matches and redline sniping can be one of the ways spawn camping can be another one ccp can patch these out in a instant so be ready and don't complain when things don't always works the same way every time)

I play with several squads (Hey Syther) and some of them just love to hunt Snipers, Red Line or not.

Manus Peak top of the hill, easy pickings. Or at the other end there is a small hill between the MCC and the ground spawn. I just finished a match and we got the sniper there as well as on the buildings in the Red. Good times when they run back to the ground spawn thinking they are safe and they get dropped as soon as they jump out of their LAV.

Hunting Snipers is fun. Even when I miss, as soon as they start running and CoD hopping then they sure aren't sniping. If they aren't too far back a Scout Shotty can run up and pop them from behind and they are so intent on their scope they never see it coming. Hmm. My alt should try using a Mass Driver for Sniper Denial.

Given a choice I prefer to hunt them with a Large Rail Gun. Vaporized Snipers smell like Victory.

ive had tons of matches
where a corp member in team speak has sat back and giving us lintel on where the enemy team is
provided cover fire to corp members who have been pined down even defended points single-highhandedly from the base

id like to see some one in a assault suit do more than just run at the target shoot them and hope they die
every person he spots will die or be in a position that we will never show up to and be useless to his team

we don't kill him since we don't need to
its not about kd/r its about winning the battle and winning the war