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Kray Dytt
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Posted - 2013.03.08 09:10:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:I tthink this is a perrfectly legitimate game tactic if yoou don't adapt you willl die i found this out in eve llong story short
you guys should stop complaining about it and attempting to ruin red line snipers days and just embrace it as another objective to victory
as Sun Tzu said
when you look at a battle you should see the end result and steps you must take to get there
the steps you should take should be flexible and can change in a instant
(so this can mean you should look at winning matches and redline sniping can be one of the ways spawn camping can be another one ccp can patch these out in a instant so be ready and don't complain when things don't always works the same way every time)
I almost agree with you.
Right now, people can and therefore will use the red zone to their advantage. Can't blame people for that.
However, I feel that the system allowing this is at fault and should be changed.
Funny thing is that when you bring that up in these forums you are drowned in tears by people crying about how red zone sniping makes perfect sense and is a very logical thing and should never be changed and people wanting it changed are just crying because they were killed by a sniper.
This of course makes no sense at all, but trying to explain that to someone who believes he/she is special because he/she is a sniper and should have extra special protection is.... difficult ;) |
Kray Dytt
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Posted - 2013.03.08 09:38:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:
People cry about redline snipers because it's stupid. The point of skirmish is to hack things not kill people.
You could go 0/20 and still come first by hacking things, placing drop links, reaping people etc.
True, but: a good sniper in a tactical location can be a valuable asset in a Skirmish game. On most maps, there are some good locations within the red zone. So not all "red zone snipers" are complete idiots.
There are 3 different types of red zone snipers, I think:
- Good snipers who simply find a good spot which "happens" to be in the red zone. They will contribute to the match and would probably be in exactly the same place if it wasn't a "red zone"
- Opportunists who try to get a high KDR by hiding in a "safe zone" with a sniper rifle all match long. They care nothing about winning the match or contributing even, they just want to get a high KDR and have as little risk as possible.
- Defeatists who "give up" when their team is red zoned and grab a sniper rifle to get some kills in before the match ends.
Now, while I have an opinion on all of these, that is basically irrelevant. The game allows for all 3 types to play this way. I think the game is the problem here, not these players. The problem is caused by two things I think:
- The red zone "mechanic" allows for abuse outside it's intended purpose (a fallback zone to prevent MCC camping and allow a comeback for a team that has lost all objectives).
- The match "system" which leads to a "lost" match being drawn out, causing people to not want to risk their gear in a futile attempt at a comeback.
I think there are ways to fix both these problems, but I've found (by writing a suggestion for it in the feedback forums) that it's a touchy subject  |
Kray Dytt
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Posted - 2013.03.08 11:01:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:Kray Dytt wrote:I think there are ways to fix both these problems, but I've found (by writing a suggestion for it in the feedback forums) that it's a touchy subject Actually I thought you and I were starting to make progress on that front, we just got caught up in semantics. If you'd like to, go ahead and ressurect that thread and we'll continue to hash it out. You said some things there that got me thinking, and I think we can make some real progress on the redline issue. I've said many times that I like to play Sniper, and I'll snipe from wherever I can get a view of my chosen objective be it inside the redline, or out. But I also feel that there really shouldn't be any place on the map that is truly safe.
I agree, I think we were :) thread got a bit derailed by someone else though... Since I said what I wanted to say and I was done trying to argue with someone without a basic sense of logic and reason (not you, obviously) I left it at that :)
I think one problem with that thread though was that I was trying to effectively solve 3 issues (afk farming, "lost" matches and red zone abuse) with one suggestion, which made the debate a bit messy. Also, the proposed solution did end up being a bit... complicated :P I'm thinking about simpler solutions at the moment, when I come up with some, I'll post them in the feedback forums again (separately this time).
Your last sentence sums up exactly how I feel about red zone sniping though: I don't hold it against any player if he or she is doing it. I just think being able to play that way from an artificially protected zone isn't supposed to be possible (even if you can reach people there)
People that are doing it all match long regardless of whether or not it helps their team are of course bad players, but so are many other players that don't red zone snipe, so that's beside the point :)
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