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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:15:00 -
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Now I only see Snipers and Shotgunners who use the Scout Suit. Granted, some of them are good at it, but where are all the AR and SMG users of old? Off the top of my head, Satori was pretty beast.
I run alone now with my Ishukone SMG, and wish some more people would join me. It's a good life. |
RHYTHMIK Designs
BetaMax.
55
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:19:00 -
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Scout was my main suit early on but the strafe nerf killed it for me. I just started playing scout again and it seems they may have sped the strafe back up but still not back to the speed of before. I want to start back putting SP into scout again but really want to see the new scout suits or if they introduce cloaking in the next build first before I make a decision. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:21:00 -
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They went beyond the mountains to the lands of the unknown to ask questions of the stars. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
670
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:30:00 -
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THey've all gone back to cali, to cali to cali,
to hang with socal ninja? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
322
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:12:00 -
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A gently breeze killed them all. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
335
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:14:00 -
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Scouts are bad in close combat now.
Only ones I am familiar with are Reflex and Omni. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:17:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:Scouts are bad in close combat now.
Only ones I am familiar with are Reflex and Omni.
I eat through most Heavy's with an Ishukone SMG. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
335
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:22:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:KryptixX wrote:Scouts are bad in close combat now.
Only ones I am familiar with are Reflex and Omni. I eat through most Heavy's with an Ishukone SMG. Tru dat.
But group fire chews through scouts, and we are seeing more mob style play with the new spawn system. |
Snaps Tremor
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
43
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:24:00 -
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You're right, the one thing the game is lacking right now is more people spamming the single AR sound effect for the entire duration of a match. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1085
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:28:00 -
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They're there- you just don't see them, and the killfeed thinks it was an AR |
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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
36
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:47:00 -
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I agree. I have never actually seen a Valor Scout dropsuit save my own. And Dragonflies are becoming less common too. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
20
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:53:00 -
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I roll Dragonfly and Toxin SMG along with a sniper rifle. If I'm not out and about marking red dots and counter-sniping, I'm rolling the SMG and spraying people down along with frags and hacking for WP.
Still not as good as I'd like to be though... |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1940
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:05:00 -
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My SP are way too spread out, though I still crush with my shotgun scout. I used two SMGs for a time, but it just doesn't feel as menacing as the shotgun. It's better for being able to keep range on your opponent and quick tracking in CQC, but I like killing my opponent before he can even register that I'm there, <3 stealth. |
Chi-Chi Chikubi
On The Brink
0
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:11:00 -
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They all realized they were in the wrong game and all went back to girl scouts!! |
KING CHECKMATE
unlight9
1
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:15:00 -
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Group fire and squad based gameplay are stronger now,i understand . Playing scout with Shotgun makes sense , to get in/out faster and in the case of getting owned at least you can take 1 or 2 with you. Sniper scout is mainly to get to the good spots faster and have a smaller hitbox plus better profile dampening.
I only have about 2 weeks playing dust so i really dont know who these ''GREAT SCOUTS'' were are. But it just doesnt make a lot of sense using a scout armor for AR or SMG. (one being better with Assault dropsuits and the other being a sidearm....). UNLESS The mobility of before was so much better that the one scouts have now.....
:3
Maybe they got bored of getting chewed up by fatties. I know a good scout can own a Fasto. The problem is when the fatso is running with his squad behind him, a simple scout isnt match for organized gameplay. Or 2 Fatsos.... XD |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
75
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:22:00 -
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I killed them all so many times that they rage quit the game. |
Shutter Fly
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
29
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:22:00 -
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Scout suits just don't have the CPU/PG for the damage mod stacking that is important for ARs, especially when you are already using a suit with less max HP. Combine that with the slightly lower strafe speed and there isn't much reason to use a scout over assault with the AR.
As for the SMG, your guess is as good as mine. It might be because, at the lower levels, it takes a bit longer to kill than the shotgun. Most scouts that likely would have gone with the SMG probably went assault or settled with a shotgun. The lowered strafe speed hasn't affected my use of the shotgun, but it gives SMGs that much less of an edge at the lower tiers.
I've only run into one Ishukone SMG, I believe it was Icy, and it took me down pretty fast. Earlier on, the Toxins and militia SMGs were much less threatening, which leads me to believe there is a bit of an imbalance when it comes to using them as primary weapons. Considering they are technically sidearms, it makes sense that it would take a bit more investment to make it a competitive primary.
I don't exactly know what about using an AR or SMG does to make someone a "great scout" over other weapons. But, I'll just ignore that comment for the time being. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:50:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:Scout suits just don't have the CPU/PG for the damage mod stacking that is important for ARs, especially when you are already using a suit with less max HP. Combine that with the slightly lower strafe speed and there isn't much reason to use a scout over assault with the AR.
As for the SMG, your guess is as good as mine. It might be because, at the lower levels, it takes a bit longer to kill than the shotgun. Most scouts that likely would have gone with the SMG probably went assault or settled with a shotgun. The lowered strafe speed hasn't affected my use of the shotgun, but it gives SMGs that much less of an edge at the lower tiers.
I've only run into one Ishukone SMG, I believe it was Icy, and it took me down pretty fast. Earlier on, the Toxins and militia SMGs were much less threatening, which leads me to believe there is a bit of an imbalance when it comes to using them as primary weapons. Considering they are technically sidearms, it makes sense that it would take a bit more investment to make it a competitive primary.
I don't exactly know what about using an AR or SMG does to make someone a "great scout" over other weapons. But, I'll just ignore that comment for the time being.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one with it right now. And you are hard as hell to kill as a shotgun scout. |
Utsuru Kaiju
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:09:00 -
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I was going to spec into scout suit but then realized how weak it is compared to the assault suit, for my needs anyways. As a sniper, the added mobility from the scout suit is basically useless, along with the 10% smaller profile or whatever it is. You're going to be seen sometimes, and you're going to be shot at, might as well be able to take a bullet instead of dying every time an LAV kicks a rock up in your direction.
Assault > Scout
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Orion Decline
Reckoners
4
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:19:00 -
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Shotgun Scouts require a different set of skills from SMG Scouts. You don't need the same level of precision with the Shotgun, but you need to get a LOT closer without detection.
I use both, by the way. |
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DTOracle
Universal Allies Inc.
96
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Posted - 2013.03.06 03:10:00 -
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Because until you max out SMG operation & get into proficiencies, the SMG is a horrible primary wespon. I love it personally, but decided to upgrade the shotty first. I'll be joining you soon enough though. |
Drake435
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
9
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Posted - 2013.03.06 03:13:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:I roll Dragonfly and Toxin SMG along with a sniper rifle. If I'm not out and about marking red dots and counter-sniping, I'm rolling the SMG and spraying people down along with frags and hacking for WP.
Still not as good as I'd like to be though...
You're not the only one doing the exact same thing. My alt is doing all of this. Although, I like using the SMG over the sniper 80% of the time. |
Shutter Fly
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
29
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Posted - 2013.03.06 03:43:00 -
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I've always seen the difference between shotgun and SMG to be reaction time/situational awareness vs. precision/target acquisition respectively.
I have an extremely fast reaction time and play very instinctively, but I couldn't reliably keep a target in my sights if my life depended on it. Me trying to play with an SMG is a flailing mess of fail, I'm much better at taking the one split second shot.
You won't ever see me using an AR or SMG, but I don't underestimate their effectiveness. The shotgun is extremely useful at low tiers and low skill levels, but it's effectiveness increases linearly at best. The SMG seems to start very low and increase exponentially as you reach higher weapon tiers and invest in proficiency skills. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1046
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Posted - 2013.03.06 05:37:00 -
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My particular circle of Berserker Scouts has recently been dealing with some real-life stuff.
Like:
Beer. Smoking. Gambling. Women.
Yanno. Typical slacker stuff. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
518
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:19:00 -
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SMG scouts are overrated.
It's all about the Mass Driver+Scrambler Pistol with Remote Explosives or Repair Tool
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
220
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:37:00 -
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even Annie Oakley says scouts just aren't practical compared to the assault suit. I would expect too see more once people start getting into proto scout suits but scouts are too squishy and too slow to be worth a damn. even with an uber shield ADV scout one misstep and an AR drops me before I can do any thing, and there is a high damage AR suit I might as well just give up. scouts reduced HP AND strafe speed make them about as useful as a drop ship, sure if you have a lot of cover and the other team is not mobbing too bad you can do well, but they require too many skill points to be good in too few situations.
now I would take an HP hit If ccp would give us our old speed back, or even a buff to shield recharge delay. but as it stand what ever a scout can do an assault can do better. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
220
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:41:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:I've always seen the difference between shotgun and SMG to be reaction time/situational awareness vs. precision/target acquisition respectively.
I have an extremely fast reaction time and play very instinctively, but I couldn't reliably keep a target in my sights if my life depended on it. Me trying to play with an SMG is a flailing mess of fail, I'm much better at taking the one split second shot.
You won't ever see me using an AR or SMG, but I don't underestimate their effectiveness. The shotgun is extremely useful at low tiers and low skill levels, but it's effectiveness increases linearly at best. The SMG seems to start very low and increase exponentially as you reach higher weapon tiers and invest in proficiency skills.
while this might be true the SMG is too little too late, you get less dps then any other gun and while its easier to apply said DPS, scouts kinda rely on getting in and out quickly and the SMG just does not provide. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1861
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:45:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:Shutter Fly wrote:I've always seen the difference between shotgun and SMG to be reaction time/situational awareness vs. precision/target acquisition respectively.
I have an extremely fast reaction time and play very instinctively, but I couldn't reliably keep a target in my sights if my life depended on it. Me trying to play with an SMG is a flailing mess of fail, I'm much better at taking the one split second shot.
You won't ever see me using an AR or SMG, but I don't underestimate their effectiveness. The shotgun is extremely useful at low tiers and low skill levels, but it's effectiveness increases linearly at best. The SMG seems to start very low and increase exponentially as you reach higher weapon tiers and invest in proficiency skills. while this might be true the SMG is too little too late, you get less dps then any other gun and while its easier to apply said DPS, scouts kinda rely on getting in and out quickly and the SMG just does not provide. SMG Scouts are GREAT for harrassing enemies and racking up Assists while being a REALLY good distraction. And if you're good at getting in close, even a Standard SMG can get a couple of kills per reload. I sometimes get 3 kills with my Toxin when I'm running it. Usually as a backup to my Shotgun, except that by "backup" I mean "I run around with the SMG out and only pull the Shotgun when I can get in close to the target". |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
457
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Posted - 2013.03.06 07:35:00 -
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Just wait til I'll be finished with my assault setup, then it'll be the Raider suit with a MD and the fused Locus nades!
Just because I care |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:34:00 -
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Planned to play logi, but had a change of heart after rocking Type2.
I'm at A series Scout now, with M209, gathering SP for B series (packs a punch, literally) & Ishukone.
My fav setup is Type2 Scout + M209 + Hive + Kin012 injector. For open spaces GEK goes in instead of M209 and life is still passable, but I will take SMG over AR any time. Not so great solo (against a blob), but good in a duo.
Also A series with Mass Driver and Flux nades -- favorite troll fit for lazy evenings, taking blobs from behind. |
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