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Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
115
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:53:00 -
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Blueberry Pop wrote:Pretty much. I don't really feel like playing against eight of CrimeWave Syndicate's best for 100m. How about any of you? I trust OP to 1v1 me with honor |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:54:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:No hacking objectives
150-0 would win from your point of view.
Yes, I would quit if it was stolen. Maybe there are folks who don't care a damn if I play this game. But then again, I don't want to commit to a community that does such a thing, and they would be doing me a favor, giving me an excuse not to game with them.
EvE is built on stuff like this, man. You're going to be stolen from, you're going to be backstabbed, and you're going to me cheated (most likely). If it's going to be a real issue with you, then you might not want to stick around.
Yes, I've been hearing about some eve stories and then some spying in corps and to be honest I don't want to get attached if it's like that.
I'm honest on my end. I don't plan to invite anyone.
I suppose if peeps steal it, it's not real money. Yeah, they'll laugh at my expense. But maybe I'll go make more real money in real life.
Now I don't want to leave dust. I'm just trying to make things interesting. If something as simple as organizing this and holding true can't happen, then why would I want to invest anymore time in a game.
It's like this. If you go to prison and you are forced to join a gang and become a racist just to surviive but don't join the gang and get killed by your own race for not defending them . . . well, just don't go to prison. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:00:00 -
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Rusticuls wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:I'd like to ask why you've been jumping from corporation to corporation. I also see your current one was made very recently, on the 28th. I'd like to ask the previous corps if they are missing any isk? Also 150 kills seems ridiculous, even the worst players can luck into a tank or drop ship getting crushed by the deployment ships.
My point about this is most corps are doing this any way. Shoving it down the throats of anyone they can. If there was a second redline, they would redline that.
What you're saying is that there is luck involved in a kill. I do agree. I'm trying to show that not every player moves with a team. Some go off and do things by themselves at the spur of the moment. It's two different mindsets. I'm not going to say which is better, only that they are different.
This is just a heightened version of it. Blood thirsty teamwork vs. a desperate individual. Sometimes that individual kills with luck, sometimes that individual creates something out of nothing. It may not happen in this match. Just saying it can happen, luck or no luck. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1195
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:02:00 -
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Too many tactics to guarantee at least one kill. And I guarantee no one is going to pay up once the isk is in their wallet. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:04:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:I'd like to ask why you've been jumping from corporation to corporation. I also see your current one was made very recently, on the 28th.
I'm just not a corp guy. I would love if CCP offered individual type merc contracts. As I see it, I'm not sure that will happen.
I don't squad often, so many times I'm dealing with opponents who run together, usually recognizable corp names. They get me more often than I get them. I've learned a lot from the few times I've got them.
I see very good assault players running with a heavy and I wonder how good they are alone. |
Rusticuls
NECROMONGER'S
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:05:00 -
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One dude should go play something else. This whole thing is ridiculous and your logic is insane. I'm out. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:10:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Too many tactics to guarantee at least one kill. And I guarantee no one is going to pay up once the isk is in their wallet.
Wow, apparently I'm not being fair here. There are so many tactics that could wipe me out before I get a better position.
And like I said, if they don't pay up, I'm out. Leaving might mean more to me than all the proto stuff they buy after the swipe.
There has to be a corporation that wants to be known for something upstanding. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:12:00 -
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Rusticuls wrote:One dude should go play something else. This whole thing is ridiculous and your logic is insane. I'm out.
Dude, we are interacting with simulated version of an alternate realtiy. Loosen up on the logic demands. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
472
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:16:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Rusticuls wrote:One dude should go play something else. This whole thing is ridiculous and your logic is insane. I'm out. Dude, where interacting with simulated version of an alternate realtiy. Loosen up on the logic demands. I'm pretty sure he's calling you short-sighted and naive.
Which you are being. No one will seriously accept this wager when all it takes is a lucky shot from a Forge Gun to OHK any suit ever. They'll lock down all the NULLs, take your money, and walk away.
Also: Team play is exactly what nearly all of DUST is being built around. It's not a lonewolf game, and will never be designed for that. If you aren't interested in teamplay, then I must admit that I do not think that this game is for you. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
989
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:20:00 -
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It's an interesting wager, but I can see a single fused locus grenade getting a OHK sometime in the match making a single kill to win not that difficult.
DUST is set up to require a majority to win and makes it pretty easy to die, so you aren't risking that much with those rules. |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
462
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:23:00 -
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First real scam in DUST?
Too obvious, but I'm sure a lot of the soft targets here on DUST will fall completely for it. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:26:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Rusticuls wrote:One dude should go play something else. This whole thing is ridiculous and your logic is insane. I'm out. Dude, where interacting with simulated version of an alternate realtiy. Loosen up on the logic demands. I'm pretty sure he's calling you short-sighted and naive. Which you are being. No one will seriously accept this wager when all it takes is a lucky shot from a Forge Gun to OHK any suit ever. They'll lock down all the NULLs, take your money, and walk away. Also: Team play is exactly what nearly all of DUST is being built around. It's not a lonewolf game, and will never be designed for that. If you aren't interested in teamplay, then I must admit that I do not think that this game is for you.
I have to explain something to you about a lone wolf. It's a misconception that what they do does not help the team. In many cases, not all, the lonewolf wants to win just as bad, if not more then the pack mentality.
This mindset see things that perhaps the pack may not, and the only way to take action on it, is to stray off.
If you mean lock down the nulls by hacking objectives, hacking would not be allowed in this match. Nothing, no supply depots, blasters, objectives.
Some people feel safe in numbers during a match, and yet from the sounds of it, they are surrounded by a gaming community of shadiness and nobody should to be trusted. I can't let that contradiction just slide. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
989
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:28:00 -
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Remote explosives or other traps can harass a superior force and cause them to lose a few clones without seriously affecting their ability to control an area. In that way DUST is working as intended. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:31:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:First real scam in DUST?
Too obvious, but I'm sure a lot of the soft targets here on DUST will fall completely for it.
I'm an honest person. Is that so rare?
If people want to call me naive for getting my isk taken, then okay. But the way I look at is I wouldn't be spending real money on the game in the future.
Who knows. If the corp did pay out, maybe they'd then have me as a member and that money would follow back in . . .
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:33:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Remote explosives or other traps can harass a superior force and cause them to lose a few clones without seriously affecting their ability to control an area. In that way DUST is working as intended.
That is certainly one way. They don't always have to be placed on objectives. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
989
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:35:00 -
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Actually, a better test of your lone wolf skills would be an assassination match.
You would have to kill one designated target on the opposing team and they would have to protect the target through the whole match. That would be a far better test than making a single lucky kill of an unimportant target. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
472
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:36:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:[quote=Jotun Hiem]I have to explain something to you about a lone wolf. It's a misconception that what they do does not help the team. In many cases, not all, the lonewolf wants to win just as bad, if not more then the pack mentality.
This mindset see things that perhaps the pack may not, and the only way to take action on it, is to stray off.
If you mean lock down the nulls by hacking objectives, hacking would not be allowed in this match. Nothing, no supply depots, blasters, objectives.
Some people feel safe in numbers during a match, and yet from the sounds of it, they are surrounded by a gaming community of shadiness and nobody should to be trusted. I can't let that contradiction just slide. You don't seem to get that in a corp match the only rules that apply are the ones dictating the game's victory screen. If they hack the NULL cannon's then they'll walk away with your ISK no matter how many of your own rules they broke.
As for your lone wolf shpeel, I'm not saying that they don't help the team (although many really don't), I'm saying the game will always favor teamplay, as in communication and large scale tactics. You don't get that as a lone wolf. At best you get a high KDR.
And yeah, there is safety in numbers. Because you can communicate with one another and support each other. A group of lone wolfs going up against an equally skilled, equally geared team will lose.
And there is no contradiction, you just have to be careful about who you trust. Welcome to everything involving clashing groups ever. |
Rusticuls
NECROMONGER'S
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:37:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote: I'm an honest person.
Doth protest too much. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:38:00 -
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I can tell you this: If I'm on the eight side against the one, I might kill him the most, but he's not killing me. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
462
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:38:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Rasatsu wrote:First real scam in DUST?
Too obvious, but I'm sure a lot of the soft targets here on DUST will fall completely for it. I'm an honest person. Is that so rare? If people want to call me naive for getting my isk taken, then okay. But the way I look at is I wouldn't be spending real money on the game in the future. Who knows. If the corp did pay out, maybe they'd then have me as a member and that money would follow back in . . . What, who said _you_ were being scammed?
I'm saying _you_ are the _scammer_. It's pretty simple to do, and used in high-sec all the time to gank people during wars. Basically they start a war with using a corp with just a couple people, and once the targets think they're safe they add lots of people to the corp.
So you're hoping to get someone to put down 100M in a bet, then get in lots of good players (I assume you know some, else you wouldn't be running this scam) and stomp them. |
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Orion Decline
Reckoners
4
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:39:00 -
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I'm not that great a player, and I could win as the solo player with these rules and running only Blueprints (including my Merc Pack gear).
That said, it's an interesting challenge, and I'd be interested in seeing it happen with someone.
My corp doesn't (yet) have a full complement of 8 players available within the same timezone, and we're nowhere near the 100 million ISK it would take to go after this, but I'll talk to some of them and see if we can come up with something. You may or may not hear from me at some point in the future. Whatever happens, I wish you luck. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:40:00 -
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Rusticuls wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote: I'm an honest person.
Doth protest too much.
You thinks. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
990
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:42:00 -
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If you want a good match, try the assassination one for a low mil. That would sidestep worries about scamming and give you the test you want. |
Rusticuls
NECROMONGER'S
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:43:00 -
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I know. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
204
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:46:00 -
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"Wikipedia" wrote: The Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis) is a large species of lizard found in Indonesian islands... it is the largest living species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft) in rare cases and weighing up to around 150 kilograms (330 lb). Their unusual size has been attributed to island gigantism, since no other carnivorous animals fill the niche on the islands where they live.
As a result of their size, these lizards dominate the ecosystems in which they live. Komodo dragons hunt and ambush prey including invertebrates, birds, and mammals. Their group behaviour in hunting is exceptional in the reptile world. The diet of big Komodo dragons mainly consists of deer, though they also eat considerable amounts of carrion. Komodo dragons also occasionally attack humans in the area of West Manggarai Regency where they live in Indonesia.
"Wikipedia" wrote: The domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) is a subspecies of the gray wolf (Canis lupus), a member of the Canidae family of the mammalian order Carnivora.
Dogs' value to early human hunter-gatherers led to them quickly becoming ubiquitous across world cultures. Dogs perform many roles for people, such as hunting, herding, pulling loads, protection, assisting police and military, companionship, and, more recently, aiding handicapped individuals.
...the dog has developed into hundreds of varied breeds, and shows more behavioral and morphological variation than any other land mammal. For example, height measured to the withers ranges from 15.2 centimetres (6.0 in) in the Chihuahua to about 76 cm (30 in) in the Irish Wolfhound; color varies from white through grays (usually called "blue") to black, and browns from light (tan) to dark ("red" or "chocolate") in a wide variation of patterns; coats can be short or long, coarse-haired to wool-like, straight, curly, or smooth.
Let us, for the sake of my amusement, pretend the OP is the underdog (pun intended). He is a dog, versus 8 komodo dragons, who have claws, muscular tails, possess patience and ability to camouflage, serrated teeth and saliva with 50 strains of bacteria that causes almost all bitten to die of blood poisoning.
1v8, he has no chance. 1v1, still, no chance.
But this isn't the case, is it? There are 150 dogs that the 8 komodo dragons have to kill.
All without one dragon dying.
The hunter becomes the hunted.
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:47:00 -
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Orion Decline wrote:I'm not that great a player, and I could win as the solo player with these rules and running only Blueprints (including my Merc Pack gear).
That said, it's an interesting challenge, and I'd be interested in seeing it happen with someone.
My corp doesn't (yet) have a full complement of 8 players available within the same timezone, and we're nowhere near the 100 million ISK it would take to go after this, but I'll talk to some of them and see if we can come up with something. You may or may not hear from me at some point in the future. Whatever happens, I wish you luck.
Well, thanks for the luck wish.
There's no telling how this kind of match would go. I'm mean I can picture things. And I'm sure some corps out there are picturing things too.
I've heard some of these corps talking in matches and they have incredible communication. A lot of what I would be doing would be predictable when I was hoping it was not. So I'm wondering how I would adapt when I'm cornered time after time after time.
I imagine some of my deaths would be immediate. But I would have to do some thinking in between spawns. Meanwhile they have eyes on. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:48:00 -
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you thinks you know |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
990
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:53:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Skihids wrote:If you want a good match, try the assassination one for a low mil. That would sidestep worries about scamming and give you the test you want. what is that?
As I posted above, you have a single designated target you have to kill and the opposing side has to keep him alive.
That's a far better test of lone wolf skills than one lucky kill of an unimportant target. Anyone can toss a bomb and kill a bodyguard, but can you get the valued target? |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:56:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:"Wikipedia" wrote: The Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis) is a large species of lizard found in Indonesian islands... it is the largest living species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft) in rare cases and weighing up to around 150 kilograms (330 lb). Their unusual size has been attributed to island gigantism, since no other carnivorous animals fill the niche on the islands where they live.
As a result of their size, these lizards dominate the ecosystems in which they live. Komodo dragons hunt and ambush prey including invertebrates, birds, and mammals. Their group behaviour in hunting is exceptional in the reptile world. The diet of big Komodo dragons mainly consists of deer, though they also eat considerable amounts of carrion. Komodo dragons also occasionally attack humans in the area of West Manggarai Regency where they live in Indonesia.
"Wikipedia" wrote: The domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) is a subspecies of the gray wolf (Canis lupus), a member of the Canidae family of the mammalian order Carnivora.
Dogs' value to early human hunter-gatherers led to them quickly becoming ubiquitous across world cultures. Dogs perform many roles for people, such as hunting, herding, pulling loads, protection, assisting police and military, companionship, and, more recently, aiding handicapped individuals.
...the dog has developed into hundreds of varied breeds, and shows more behavioral and morphological variation than any other land mammal. For example, height measured to the withers ranges from 15.2 centimetres (6.0 in) in the Chihuahua to about 76 cm (30 in) in the Irish Wolfhound; color varies from white through grays (usually called "blue") to black, and browns from light (tan) to dark ("red" or "chocolate") in a wide variation of patterns; coats can be short or long, coarse-haired to wool-like, straight, curly, or smooth.
Let us, for the sake of my amusement, pretend the OP is the underdog (pun intended). He is a dog, versus 8 komodo dragons, who have claws, muscular tails, possess patience and ability to camouflage, serrated teeth and saliva with 50 strains of bacteria that causes almost all bitten to die of blood poisoning. 1v8, he has no chance. 1v1, still, no chance. But this isn't the case, is it? There are 150 dogs that the 8 komodo dragons have to kill. All without one dragon dying. The hunter becomes the hunted.
A lovely dynamic and awesome post.
On one hand it is a really unfair challenge, on the other, a valid challenge. If anything, its not as straight foward as it appears on the surface.
Now five tanks in my face is straight forward. However, I've been in a match with Grupo which had five tanks. Four of them I did not bother much for more than a few hits, easily recovered. I did kill one. While redlined. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
462
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:57:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:There's no telling how this kind of match would go. I'm mean I can picture things. And I'm sure some corps out there are picturing things too.
I've heard some of these corps talking in matches and they have incredible communication. A lot of what I would be doing would be predictable when I was hoping it was not. So I'm wondering how I would adapt when I'm cornered time after time after time.
I imagine some of my deaths would be immediate. But I would have to do some thinking in between spawns. Meanwhile they have eyes on. I however can imagine it;
The 8 fools spawn in the orbital strategy room pre-match, look at the board and realizes there's 8 people on the '1-man team'. They then proceed to get roflstomped by a few madrugars, proto suits, and such. |
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