DUST Search - Tibus Heth Must Burn

GeneralButtNaked wrote:

Kain Spero wrote:

Heth has gone out of his way to kill Dusters and snuff out even our minds and give us a true death. I fight for money gladly, but I never lose focus on the bigger picture.

It is somewhat hard to collect a paycheck if you're dead and no CRU will bring you back.

If Heth wants to expunge all the clones from Caldari space, he will only be sealing the fate of his empire. And empire with only finite meatbags to throw into combat will surely succumb to any clone bearing force. Simple math really.

The story part of it is largely irrelevant to the larger issue, which is with people trying to predetermine the outcome, and encouraging people to not play the game, but SP farm during a live event.

You want to role play non violent resistance, equip your fits with a militia submachine gun and walk out into your enemies guns, over and over and over.

When YOU do that, then I will see that you are committed to the fall of Heth, and I will respect it.

Finally, I hate to say this, but think of the newcomers. They load into a special event, and instead of finding a fight going on, they come across a team sitting in the MCC.

How does that encourage them to take part in another live event? How is that even fun for the other team either? If only a fraction of the enemy team shows up, there will be no fight, just a few quick kills until the few with heart to actually play realize that the rest of the team is letting them get killed, then it is just a countdown timer till the match ends.

Explain to me how that is an enjoyable experience for anyone involved? Explain to me how that gets more people involved in EvE lore, or the connection between the two games?

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2880	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:34:00 - [1] - Quote // Begin Transmission // Arkombine Military Logistics Messenger Document:117.02.28.7.25KAVCN Dispersion Widest Possible to All Organized and Freelance Mercenaries Subject: New Deployment Orders Effective 1600-1800 On 2/28/2013 Location: New Caldari Prime, New Caldari System, Kimotoro Constellation, The Forge Region, Local New Eden Cluster Sovereignty: Caldari (contested?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Attention all Mercs! New deployment orders have been issued, prepare for dust off. Protection the Caldari Hardworking People or put them down and remind them that Tibus Heath is in charge To access these battles during operational times, use battle finder and browse to the mercenary contracts during deployment times. From there a numerous selection of battles will be available and you can accept them there. Due to Equal Opportunity Act the side you may wind up on may not be the one you intend. Command shares your frustration but the nearly 100 year old Yulai Convention is not exactly worded for the immortal soldiers as personnel; rather the convention considers us pieces of equipment under current wording. So until amendments are made to it to consider us non-equipment and actual personnel we're lumped in the same category as technology and thus any 'technological advantage' of one empire must be made available to all other empires by either providing the technology outright or sharing the information that lead to its creation. Announcement from command. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=585515#post585515 Heth's hand the Templarus Dragonair will be employing the State Peacekeepers to 'handle' the situation with the gentle use of oppression while the protesters have found themselves Expert Intervention to rally to their cause. *Aggressors* Caldari Provonist - State Peacekeepers *Defenders* Caldari People - Expert Interfention Background Intel Generating Deployment Times is 1600-1800 (3 hours appox. from the time of this transmission) Once again our efforts will determine history. // End of Transmission //
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 189	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:49:00 - [2] - Quote Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2880	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:37:00 - [3] - Quote Who knows but I dont see heth survivng the year and the ishkone director would be replacing him.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 932	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:42:00 - [4] - Quote Death to Heth! Go afk for any battles fought on the side of the attackers! Do not let the slaughter of the Caldari people happen on your watch! The fact that this is happening on New Caldari Prime is a travesty.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 52	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:45:00 - [5] - Quote Is there any hint as to what the larger implications of this fight might be? It doesn't directly affect us and it's not inter-faction conflict so I'm a little curious about what, besides the safety of the Kaalakiota employees, is at stake.
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming 306	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:47:00 - [6] - Quote and what will we get for this except for playing a role in some story?
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 932	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:52:00 - [7] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Is there any hint as to what the larger implications of this fight might be? It doesn't directly affect us and it's not inter-faction conflict so I'm a little curious about what, besides the safety of the Kaalakiota employees, is at stake. If Heth were removed it could create a dramatic shift in the Caldari State. A defeat and successful uprising by the Caldari people on the Caldari capitol system could be just the spark needed to set events in motion to finally rid the State of the tyrant that is Heth.
GeneralButtNaked Burnwall Industries 69	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:53:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Death to Heth! Go afk for any battles fought on the side of the attackers! Do not let the slaughter of the Caldari people happen on your watch! The fact that this is happening on New Caldari Prime is a travesty. From a role playing perspective, this is a horrible attitude. Even if you were vehemently opposed to what you were being PAID to fight for, you are a Mercenary, and an immortal one at that. You fight for who pays the bills, not for who you agree with.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 121	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:55:00 - [9] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: and what will we get for this except for playing a role in some story? THAT is what you get. Shaping the universe of New Eden. And who knows, they know exactly who are in these battles. At some point down the road, your name could even be mentioned in a story / cinematic. You never know.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2881	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:56:00 - [10] - Quote Mercs dony always get paid in isk. There are quite a few who get paid in honor.

GeneralButtNaked Burnwall Industries 69	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mercs dony always get paid in isk. There are quite a few who get paid in honor. Any merc who accepts a contract and doesn't fight has NO honour.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 95	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:59:00 - [12] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Death to Heth! Go afk for any battles fought on the side of the attackers! Do not let the slaughter of the Caldari people happen on your watch! The fact that this is happening on New Caldari Prime is a travesty. From a role playing perspective, this is a horrible attitude. Even if you were vehemently opposed to what you were being PAID to fight for, you are a Mercenary, and an immortal one at that. You fight for who pays the bills, not for who you agree with. Not all mercs are here to fight just for money. Many have their own ideals and morals, and will fight for the side they feel is right (which can also mean sabotaging the side they don't feel is right if they happen to be drafted for it) If I happen to get on and into one of these matches I'll be helping the people and try to sabotage Heth's goons if I'm drafted for their side.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 932	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:59:00 - [13] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: and what will we get for this except for playing a role in some story? There are two sides to New Eden, the player driven story and the greater story created by non-player characters, but influenced in it direction by Live Events. This events actually shape the future of the games story and it's done by you. Live Events date back to the beginning of Eve and they are there to fill in the content and the world that is New Eden. Great games have great story lines and backstories and New Eden has some of the deepest backstories of any gaming universe I've had the pleasure of being a part of.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 932	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:02:00 - [14] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Death to Heth! Go afk for any battles fought on the side of the attackers! Do not let the slaughter of the Caldari people happen on your watch! The fact that this is happening on New Caldari Prime is a travesty. From a role playing perspective, this is a horrible attitude. Even if you were vehemently opposed to what you were being PAID to fight for, you are a Mercenary, and an immortal one at that. You fight for who pays the bills, not for who you agree with. Heth has gone out of his way to kill Dusters and snuff out even our minds and give us a true death. I fight for money gladly, but I never lose focus on the bigger picture. It is somewhat hard to collect a paycheck if you're dead and no CRU will bring you back.
M3DIC 2U RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:12:00 - [15] - Quote Cool, new battles
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 52	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:25:00 - [16] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Is there any hint as to what the larger implications of this fight might be? It doesn't directly affect us and it's not inter-faction conflict so I'm a little curious about what, besides the safety of the Kaalakiota employees, is at stake. If Heth were removed it could create a dramatic shift in the Caldari State. A defeat and successful uprising by the Caldari people on the Caldari capitol system could be just the spark needed to set events in motion to finally rid the State of the tyrant that is Heth. OK, but we're not talking about removing Heth (at least not yet). We're talking about either attacking or defending employee protesters. Will his position be made less secure by defending these protesters or by helping him to go fully paranoid dictator. If he actually succeeds in killing these people, innocent though they may be, the shock of that act may well have greater negative implications for the security of Heth's position. It's great that we have this level of interaction but when I don't really know what consequences I'm choosing between I don't think the choice is really meaningful.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 932	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: If he actually succeeds in killing these people, innocent though they may be, the shock of that act may well have greater negative implications for the security of Heth's position. It's great that we have this level of interaction but when I don't really know what consequences I'm choosing between I don't think the choice is really meaningful. You sir get a +1 . Eden is a whole mess of shades fo grey and goes to show that someone can RP against Heth, but still justify fighting for his forces.
Cody Sietz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:31:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: If he actually succeeds in killing these people, innocent though they may be, the shock of that act may well have greater negative implications for the security of Heth's position. It's great that we have this level of interaction but when I don't really know what consequences I'm choosing between I don't think the choice is really meaningful. You sir get a +1 . Eden is a whole mess of shades fo grey and goes to show that someone can RP against Heth, but still justify fighting for his forces. Just thinking the same thing. The gray area is a wonderful thing in the gaming and RP world. Isn't it?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:34:00 - [19] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 53	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:38:00 - [20] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate You really should get that lisp looked at.

Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 191	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:40:00 - [21] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:45:00 - [22] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away. Say math debate a few times fast and you'll see
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2885	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:46:00 - [23] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away. And you thought Kain's little orbital strike tournament was just for show?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:48:00 - [24] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate You really should get that lisp looked at. You don't ssssay?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:49:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away. And you thought Kain's little orbital strike tournament was just for show? Well that escalated enormously
GeneralButtNaked Burnwall Industries 69	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:51:00 - [26] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heth has gone out of his way to kill Dusters and snuff out even our minds and give us a true death. I fight for money gladly, but I never lose focus on the bigger picture. It is somewhat hard to collect a paycheck if you're dead and no CRU will bring you back. If Heth wants to expunge all the clones from Caldari space, he will only be sealing the fate of his empire. And empire with only finite meatbags to throw into combat will surely succumb to any clone bearing force. Simple math really. The story part of it is largely irrelevant to the larger issue, which is with people trying to predetermine the outcome, and encouraging people to not play the game, but SP farm during a live event. You want to role play non violent resistance, equip your fits with a militia submachine gun and walk out into your enemies guns, over and over and over. When YOU do that, then I will see that you are committed to the fall of Heth, and I will respect it. Finally, I hate to say this, but think of the newcomers. They load into a special event, and instead of finding a fight going on, they come across a team sitting in the MCC. How does that encourage them to take part in another live event? How is that even fun for the other team either? If only a fraction of the enemy team shows up, there will be no fight, just a few quick kills until the few with heart to actually play realize that the rest of the team is letting them get killed, then it is just a countdown timer till the match ends. Explain to me how that is an enjoyable experience for anyone involved? Explain to me how that gets more people involved in EvE lore, or the connection between the two games?
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 191	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away. Say math debate a few times fast and you'll see Dang, haven't heard that one before, probably a 4chan thing...not my scumhole.
The Dragon Ascendant Destruction Initiative Enterprise 105	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:17:00 - [28] - Quote Anyone else notice that the Peacekeeper side has a Gallente flag, whilst the Expert Intervention side has the Caldari one? I'm confused, I want Heth dead, I assume the Peacekeepers side is the one I want to fight against, regardless of the flag it shows?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:18:00 - [29] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Would be interesting if Caldari space could have sections of it where the security level was reduced due to a civil war. Jita becomes 0.5 security level...? Or if our actions on temperate planets could impact this. Jita at. 5!?!?! Must resist urge to math debate What math? Also side story with Minmatar: They are practicing with their toys. Stay away. Say math debate a few times fast and you'll see Dang, haven't heard that one before, probably a 4chan thing...not my scumhole. More like coming from the mouths of elementary/middle school students
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 934	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:21:00 - [30] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Heth has gone out of his way to kill Dusters and snuff out even our minds and give us a true death. I fight for money gladly, but I never lose focus on the bigger picture. It is somewhat hard to collect a paycheck if you're dead and no CRU will bring you back. If Heth wants to expunge all the clones from Caldari space, he will only be sealing the fate of his empire. And empire with only finite meatbags to throw into combat will surely succumb to any clone bearing force. Simple math really. The story part of it is largely irrelevant to the larger issue, which is with people trying to predetermine the outcome, and encouraging people to not play the game, but SP farm during a live event. You want to role play non violent resistance, equip your fits with a militia submachine gun and walk out into your enemies guns, over and over and over. When YOU do that, then I will see that you are committed to the fall of Heth, and I will respect it. Finally, I hate to say this, but think of the newcomers. They load into a special event, and instead of finding a fight going on, they come across a team sitting in the MCC. How does that encourage them to take part in another live event? How is that even fun for the other team either? If only a fraction of the enemy team shows up, there will be no fight, just a few quick kills until the few with heart to actually play realize that the rest of the team is letting them get killed, then it is just a countdown timer till the match ends. Explain to me how that is an enjoyable experience for anyone involved? Explain to me how that gets more people involved in EvE lore, or the connection between the two games? You can take it however you like it. if people are willing to fall on a nade for what they believe is the greater good then so be it. There was one instance where someone was going AFK and then offered to pay another blue dot to help kill team mates and smash friendly vehicles with his tank. The fact that the match ISN'T plugging along like any normal match will let people know that there is something up. Maybe they'll come to the forums to complain about the people being afk and will read this thread and know that it was part of people getting involved in the bigger picture. Also, remember I'm just saying do this for the attacking side. Destroy the enemy as much as you want if you are defending. In all honesty this a stop-gap to the fact that we can't choose sides in these fights, which is something that really should be added.



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