Okay so its takes 1.8M SP to get to level 3 suit to proto suit but instead now i can get to level 3 and for 160 AUR use proto dropsuit.


That is a HUGE time advantage for players. So thanks for that. Granted i was two weeks away anyway but this is going to be hilarious now. Prepare for LOGI GAWD to run around in his P2W suit.

Test out how fast 4 complex code breakers will work on a terminal!

At the rate you die you will be out of aurum in an hour or so.

Okay so its takes ~2.0M SP to get to level 3 suit to proto suit but instead now i can get to level 3 and for 160 AUR use proto dropsuit.


That is a HUGE time advantage for players. So thanks for that. Granted i was two weeks away anyway but this is going to be hilarious now. Prepare for LOGI GAWD to run around in his P2W suit.


Seriously this suit should not be available until level 4 as an AUR purchase. Level 3 is way too soon.


Or the AUR cost should be greater.

Im not excited about AUR protosuits TBH.
I don't think the best gear should ever be available for AUR.

If CCP releases higher tier suits than proto, such as racial suits, I suppose this isnt a probelm.
Leap-frogging 1 mil SP seems excessive.

Okay so its takes ~2.0M SP to get to level 3 suit to proto suit but instead now i can get to level 3 and for 160 AUR use proto dropsuit.


That is a HUGE time advantage for players. So thanks for that. Granted i was two weeks away anyway but this is going to be hilarious now. Prepare for LOGI GAWD to run around in his P2W suit.


Seriously this suit should not be available until level 4 as an AUR purchase. Level 3 is way too soon.


Or the AUR cost should be greater.

Spend as much as you want, my militia shotgun will still be here to ensure it's a short lived suit.

+1 they have just made this game pay to win. Granted its expensive but their are plenty of people who have extra cash to burn on lvl 3 proto suits.

It's not pay to win. It's pay to have a short term advantage; eventually people will catch up and then you're just wasting money.

Look i dont care either way, this isnt an issue that really effects me since ill be at this point in terms of my options with ISK in 2 weeks.

But it is a significant leapfrog in terms of SP. Maybe it isn't P2W per se, and still really just Pay to get ahead, but this is a HUGE pay to get ahead, Consder it take 3-4weeks to get from level 3 to level 5 dropsuit WITH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE BOOSTER(ALSO AUR ITEMS) so for the AUR-FREE purist its more like 4.5-6 weeks to get there.


Yea how about CB, not a bit P2W there. What if all the FW stuff is implemented now all the rich boys can flip REAL EVE PLANETS usuing REAL MONEY. Is that fair.

This isn't something that impacts our game but can potentially impact EVE side as well. It just takes too long for me to draw out the roadmap.

It's fine with me IF they bring back the ability to shoot a downed enemy to finish them off.

im sure CCP doesnt plan on keep it like that,

on the bright side, newberries have a chance to compete with the vets....sorta. now we all get to strut around with 450+ shields

I thought you could. Will need to double check but im pretty sure you can.

Okay so its takes ~2.0M SP to get from level 3 suit to proto suit but instead now i can get to level 3 and for 160 AUR use proto dropsuit.


That is a HUGE time advantage for players. So thanks for that. Granted i was two weeks away anyway but this is going to be hilarious now. Prepare for LOGI GAWD to run around in his P2W suit.


Seriously this suit should not be available until level 4 as an AUR purchase. Level 3 is way too soon.


Or the AUR cost should be greater.


I mean ive made a comment about AUR items and their need to be balanced properly. Yes CCP needs to make money from these items. Personally im not against AUR proto suit it should either be at level 4 which is still a nice 1.2 M SP before unlocking proto suits.


Or they need to raise the cost to around 250 AUR or maybe or so, If not greater. The reason why is players who buy AUR gear especially proto gear are even more cautious and less likely to lose them by making sure they camp, get revived or whatever else they have to do to make sure the suit doesnt get consumed. So repeat purchase are less likey so CCP should consider trying to get as much money on them on initial purchase. It also serves as a financial check as players like me are less likely to call them on pubs and reserve them for CB, but again this doesnt affect me that much since im at level 4 suit and 2 weeks from getting ISK proto suits anyway.

Keep in mind many closed tester had access to merc packs that were on sale for $10 buck and each give 40,000 AUR.

I mean it isnt an enormous amount of money here that is being thrown around, but CCP has to realize that not everyone is in a position to buy AUR and its one thing for weapons, but we can all unequivocally agree that the dropsuit is the foundation of a players fitting that it has to be something people cant gain an advantage with through RL money.

More like a giant bull's eye

Can't wait to T-bag my first proto suit user

Look i dont care either way, this isnt an issue that really effects me since ill be at this point in terms of my options with ISK in 2 weeks.

But it is a significant leapfrog in terms of SP. Maybe it isn't P2W per se, and still really just Pay to get ahead, but this is a HUGE pay to get ahead, Consder it take 3-4weeks to get from level 3 to level 5 dropsuit WITH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE BOOSTER(ALSO AUR ITEMS) so for the AUR-FREE purist its more like 4.5-6 weeks to get there.


Yea how about CB, not a bit P2W there. What if all the FW stuff is implemented now all the rich boys can flip REAL EVE PLANETS usuing REAL MONEY. Is that fair.

This isn't something that impacts our game but can potentially impact EVE side as well. It just takes too long for me to draw out the roadmap.


At the end of the day a tank > proto logi anyday so its not like there arent plenty of counters to it. And yes its pay to get ahead but this is a far larger time advantage than most other AUR items in the game.


Now if when they come out with Tech 2 gear and other stuff that is even higher end than proto suits it wont matter as much, moreover it wont matter because so many will have proto by then.

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Whoooooo cares??

You can get to level 5 with like 2 weeks of saving SP. In a month or two EVERYONE will have a proto suit whether it was bought with AUR or ISK is irrelevant. You all flip out so easy! Think about it!

I agree, how can you unlock a proto suit before a Bseries???

AUR proto suits should be unlocked at level 5 like before!!!

That said new players are effed. But im done arguing about this P2W, i regret using that word and perhaps threw it out too easily, but to say that this isnt an issue and cant create an imbalance in Corp Warfare is really mindboggling. Oh well. whatever i have disposable income in RL and in game so im not the one who gets hurt by this.

Done trying to be the fair guy who DOESNT WANT UNEEDED UNFAIR ADVANTAGES for myself, but if you want to give them to me then efff ill take it, abuse the crap out of it and enjoy it till the QQ comes back and i can say well i told you so.

At this point a smart player doesnt lose proto suits and certainly if they do go down they damn well make sure they get revived so the suit doesnt get consumed so they dont buy more and CCP get less AUR in the long run.

2 million sp so level 3 to 4 takes with hitting the active cap, 400,000 a week, 5 weeks.

I can't believe they did this. What a terrible idea... Making certain weapons purchasable with AUR is one thing, making the dropsuits that should be a big reward for anyone committing a couple million SP to unlocking them is quite another.

Certain items should be ISK only. At least that way, usage would be limited somewhat. Now, people can just buy as many of these suits as they want and they don't have to worry about running out of ISK. So much for the Market...

thank you for taking my 2mil. sp = level 3-4 ,4-5 drop suite. i had 30mil isk level 5 drop suit,advanced plate,complex dam., exile. i had a blast. blood and death lol. i earnd this skin . day cap save all.. i have mixed feelings on this . 2,000,000 mil. sp = what 25 cents .

I mean it isnt an enormous amount of money here that is being thrown around, but CCP has to realize that not everyone is in a position to buy AUR and its one thing for weapons, but we can all unequivocally agree that the dropsuit is the foundation of a players fitting that it has to be something people cant gain an advantage with through RL money.

im sure CCP doesnt plan on keep it like that,

on the bright side, newberries have a chance to compete with the vets....sorta. now we all get to strut around with 450+ shields

if you have the shield skills that is :)

At least for assault the "p2w" proto suits are vk0's, and nobody in their right mind would use one of these garbage suits. Type-B > vk0 by a LONG shot. Type-I, type-A, and vk0 are pure crap. No idea why these are even in the game, as nobody wants to use them (for good reason).

If CCP wants to see more armor tanks, then they need to get rid of the ridiculous speed-gimp that comes with armor tanking. Otherwise this game will remain shield-tank central for the remainder of its life.

Seriously with no modules at all shields recharge at a decent rate, armor only recharges if you have mods for it, and even then at a VERY slow pace. At this point, there is zero reason to armor tank. Sure you can armor tank with a whole bunch of damage mods, but when you are as slow as a turtle it makes no difference. A type-II is more practical than a vk0 is equipped right.

At least for assault the "p2w" proto suits are vk0's, and nobody in their right mind would use one of these garbage suits. Type-B > vk0 by a LONG shot. Type-I, type-A, and vk0 are pure crap. No idea why these are even in the game, as nobody wants to use them (for good reason).

If CCP wants to see more armor tanks, then they need to get rid of the ridiculous speed-gimp that comes with armor tanking. Otherwise this game will remain shield-tank central for the remainder of its life.

Seriously with no modules at all shields recharge at a decent rate, armor only recharges if you have mods for it, and even then at a VERY slow pace. At this point, there is zero reason to armor tank. Sure you can armor tank with a whole bunch of damage mods, but when you are as slow as a turtle it makes no difference. A type-II is more practical than a vk0 if equipped right.

A few months ago I knew nothing about the passive skills for shields/armor (was more interested in testing than checking out the skill tree). I usually ran a Type-II with around 350ish shields and 180ish armor and did just fine.

Now I can get a Vk.0, run it with 347 shields, 566 armor, and only be slowed to about the speed of a regular Type-I Logi suit. I used to run Logi suits when I first started the beta 6 months ago, so moving slow with an AR is no issue for me.

Basically what I'm saying is

1) if you know how to run it, a Type-I can be just as good as Type-II. They just require different playstyles.

and

2) this proto suit can give me a shield level I am used to running PLUS MORE THAN DOUBLE the armor backup than I'm used to, that's enough to make it useful.

Not sure what you were running against me tonight, you got me a few times, I got you a few times. And I really have to admire that nade you killed me with! Plum throw on your part!

Just between you me and the fence post, that nade saved your life , cause you were next

At the rate you die you will be out of aurum in an hour or so.

After further discussion with some of my peers and some of the posts ive read im inclined to agree that i was mistaken about my stance on this issue.

I did mention earlier that from a vets point of view this is actually a pay to keep up feature for a very low cost that can be a good bridge until SP rollover comes through.

But my main concern was new players who get AUR gear like this compared to new players who stick only F2P then thats is at least one month disparity for them. It was this concept in mind that drove the idea to make the suit more expensive or unlockable at level 4 until such a time as tech 2 or higher end gear becomes avaliable and then just like any "luxury" item depreciation it becomes cheaper and available at a lower SP level as its inherent "value" will have decreased in time compared to the veteran playerbase.

This concept is something i think CCP should consider long term in terms of their AUR item pricing and availability plan. For me personally the AUR proto is a bridge for the next 2 weeks, but AUR priority for me will always be boosters. Fortunately rebate money from corsair came in and thats another merc pack for me.

And also Corp Battles were a concern which will eventually decide FW sov but there was flaw in my logic in that veteran players would have a potential time advantage and that could be more detrimental in corps fighting over sov and i didnt fully consider that aspect of the argument that could also be equalized by newer corp with AUR.


But in the end i never claimed AUR proto suits should not exist in the game only that they should either cost higher or be available slightly later, then again if this is the model CCP projects will earn them the best revenue stream than im all for it because i do want this game to survive and CCP to make a profit.


In conclusion currently much of AUR gear is pay to get ahead but as the community gets more time in game these items will become pay to keep up and CCP will need to release new AUR items to get ahead and then reduce the cost and SP requirements to use these current AUR items as they will have less value compared to what veteran players will have access to.