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Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote Is it that alot of people are dying from Geks that makes it OP? or is it just so many people use the Gek that it comes up alot? Personely I think it's the latter
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 379	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote It is, but the damage mods don't help things either
General John Ripper Baltar Research 22	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:06:00 - [3] - Quote I dont think the gek is op. Its a very affordable weapon that alot of people use. I use it myself, along with damage mods or complex shield extenders. (still trying out different load outs.) And I can still break even or make a profit while doing so. Making 200k-300k makes gek a pretty good balanced weapon with price.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 59	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:09:00 - [4] - Quote I'm of the opinion that the Adv. and Proto gear need a price nerf. Honestly, the gek used to be 30k a pop, and when our match earnings were in the ballpark of 30-40k, it was really hard to use the gek and not lose a lot of money. But when CCP raised our match earnings, they reduced the cost of pretty much all Adv/Proto gear to about half, so now you see people spamming Duvolles and MH-82s, and it's pretty insane. I think there needs to be some price tweaking done, but nothing major.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:13:00 - [5] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I dont think the gek is op. Its a very affordable weapon that alot of people use. I use it myself, along with damage mods or complex shield extenders. (still trying out different load outs.) And I can still break even or make a profit while doing so. Making 200k-300k makes gek a pretty good balanced weapon with price. I agree, not OP it's just a very good all rounder weapon
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:15:00 - [6] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'm of the opinion that the Adv. and Proto gear need a price nerf. Honestly, the gek used to be 30k a pop, and when our match earnings were in the ballpark of 30-40k, it was really hard to use the gek and not lose a lot of money. But when CCP raised our match earnings, they reduced the cost of pretty much all Adv/Proto gear to about half, so now you see people spamming Duvolles and MH-82s, and it's pretty insane. I think there needs to be some price tweaking done, but nothing major. I do see alot of high tier stuff get thrown around alot, Keep killing people in Proto suits and think "how much ISK have I actually cost the other team"
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:26:00 - [7] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: I'm of the opinion that the Adv. and Proto gear need a price nerf. Honestly, the gek used to be 30k a pop, and when our match earnings were in the ballpark of 30-40k, it was really hard to use the gek and not lose a lot of money. But when CCP raised our match earnings, they reduced the cost of pretty much all Adv/Proto gear to about half, so now you see people spamming Duvolles and MH-82s, and it's pretty insane. I think there needs to be some price tweaking done, but nothing major. I do see alot of high tier stuff get thrown around alot, Keep killing people in Proto suits and think "how much ISK have I actually cost the other team" Depends on who you kill..would not affect me one bit
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:41:00 - [8] - Quote Well, getting "gekked" is about 70% of my deaths. The remaining 30% comes from running into a Heavy or Sniper fire. A little overused I guess. It makes me want it to be OP but I don't think it is. As another commenter stated the previous limiting factor of cost has been done away with. Without that balance the BETA will continue to support using all the gear we can get. So, yes and no.
TheMarkOf22 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 41	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Is it that alot of people are dying from Geks that makes it OP? or is it just so many people use the Gek that it comes up alot? Personely I think it's the latter if anyone thinks putting 15+ bullets in a player to kill is OP then they really dont know a thing about video games or dust.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:19:00 - [10] - Quote it's not necesarily OP, but the abundance of players using it shows that it's probably not quite balanced properly. It's either too cheap, too low on CPU/PG, or too easy to skill into... possibly a combination of the three.

Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:25:00 - [11] - Quote Not OP because there WAY more stronger stuff beside this to worry about,though it's the best bang for your buck atm without goting into proto weapon pricing.
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:29:00 - [12] - Quote Why would you even ask this Look at the damage stats and tell me it's overpowered, it's one point above the standard assault. Half of the time I'm using standard assault on a militia suit and I do just fine. And nothing needs a price nerf. If you think that everyone who is able to, if you think everyone can rock their best gear consistently, you're wrong
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:57:00 - [13] - Quote Gek has less recoil then the duvolle, so ya kinda OP.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 363	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote I swear it's like everyone just got dumb as ** as soon as someone posted the first "GEK is OP" thread. Do you not use any other advanced mods? What about the MH-82 HMG? Seems like all heavies are running that so it must be OP. Holy ** that guy had enhanced shield extenders! COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS!!! WTF???? THE ADVANCED GEAR IS BETTER THAN STANDARD GEAR AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING IT!! UNFAIR! NERF IT ALL!!!! Seriously, you can all blow me.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:11:00 - [15] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I swear it's like everyone just got dumb as ** as soon as someone posted the first "GEK is OP" thread. Do you not use any other advanced mods? What about the MH-82 HMG? Seems like all heavies are running that so it must be OP. Holy ** that guy had enhanced shield extenders! COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS!!! WTF???? THE ADVANCED GEAR IS BETTER THAN STANDARD GEAR AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING IT!! UNFAIR! NERF IT ALL!!!! Seriously, you can all blow me. How much isk you willing to pay?
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:16:00 - [16] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I swear it's like everyone just got dumb as ** as soon as someone posted the first "GEK is OP" thread. Do you not use any other advanced mods? What about the MH-82 HMG? Seems like all heavies are running that so it must be OP. Holy ** that guy had enhanced shield extenders! COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS!!! WTF???? THE ADVANCED GEAR IS BETTER THAN STANDARD GEAR AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING IT!! UNFAIR! NERF IT ALL!!!! Seriously, you can all blow me. The problem isn't that it is OP. The problem is it has less recoil then the duvolle and its way cheaper. All you have to do is stack damage mods and you have Geks recoil with duvolles power. GEKs need to be a little bit more expensive or the duvolles need a buff lol. There isn't much of a reason to run duvolles>GEK atm.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:17:00 - [17] - Quote The assault rifles in general are not OP. If anything ARs need less recoil across the board as even the SMG and HMG (which basically has zero recoil, just bullet spread) is more manageable and predictable. If the higher tier assault rifles have more recoil the lower tier ARs then that should be fixed.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 363	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:19:00 - [18] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: I swear it's like everyone just got dumb as ** as soon as someone posted the first "GEK is OP" thread. Do you not use any other advanced mods? What about the MH-82 HMG? Seems like all heavies are running that so it must be OP. Holy ** that guy had enhanced shield extenders! COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS!!! WTF???? THE ADVANCED GEAR IS BETTER THAN STANDARD GEAR AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING IT!! UNFAIR! NERF IT ALL!!!! Seriously, you can all blow me. The problem isn't that it is OP. The problem is it has less recoil then the duvolle and its way cheaper. All you have to do is stack damage mods and you have Geks recoil with duvolles power. GEKs need to be a little bit more expensive or the duvolles need a buff lol. True, but doesn't the Exile have less recoil than the GEK? And you don't really have to "stack" too much to get the damage of the more advanced weapon. An 'Exile' with one complex mod does more damage than a GEK, right? So what's the problem? I also got to say this whole thing seems funny to me since they leveled weapon damage a while back and a lot of us thought it took away a lot of the incentive to run proto weapons...can you image the tears if the standard AR was still 10% less powerful than the GEK?
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:22:00 - [19] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: I swear it's like everyone just got dumb as ** as soon as someone posted the first "GEK is OP" thread. Do you not use any other advanced mods? What about the MH-82 HMG? Seems like all heavies are running that so it must be OP. Holy ** that guy had enhanced shield extenders! COMPLEX DAMAGE MODS!!! WTF???? THE ADVANCED GEAR IS BETTER THAN STANDARD GEAR AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING IT!! UNFAIR! NERF IT ALL!!!! Seriously, you can all blow me. The problem isn't that it is OP. The problem is it has less recoil then the duvolle and its way cheaper. All you have to do is stack damage mods and you have Geks recoil with duvolles power. GEKs need to be a little bit more expensive or the duvolles need a buff lol. True, but doesn't the Exile have less recoil than the GEK? And you don't really have to "stack" too much to get the damage of the more advanced weapon. An 'Exile' with one complex mod does more damage than a GEK, right? So what's the problem? I also got to say this whole thing seems funny to me since they leveled weapon damage a while back and a lot of us thought it took away a lot of the incentive to run proto weapons...can you image the tears if the standard AR was still 10% less powerful than the GEK? That's exactly the problem.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:24:00 - [20] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: If the higher tier assault rifles have more recoil the lower tier ARs then that should be fixed. No, things of lower tier should be easier to use, but not as affective as the higher tier. Things that are higher tier should require player skill to master, and they get rewarded for it. You do not make the most powerful weapons the easiest to use. Balancing for skill.

Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 363	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:26:00 - [21] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: That's exactly the problem. What is? And what would be done to the GEK to fix it?
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:28:00 - [22] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: If the higher tier assault rifles have more recoil the lower tier ARs then that should be fixed. No, things of lower tier should be easier to use, but not as affective as the higher tier. Things that are higher tier should require player skill to master, and they get rewarded for it. You do not make the most powerful weapons the easiest to use. I might be a little misinformed. What other weapon in dust gets harder to use at level V???
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:32:00 - [23] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: That's exactly the problem. What is? And what would be done to the GEK to fix it? The problem is that there is very little incentive to use the proto AR when the advanced AR is just as good if not better at range. Solution is to flatten recoil on ARs or just make the GEK more expensive.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:32:00 - [24] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: If the higher tier assault rifles have more recoil the lower tier ARs then that should be fixed. No, things of lower tier should be easier to use, but not as affective as the higher tier. Things that are higher tier should require player skill to master, and they get rewarded for it. You do not make the most powerful weapons the easiest to use. I might be a little misinformed. What other weapon in dust gets harder to use at level V??? All AR's "bonus to kick and spread per level", or something like that. Though that's because of the skill and not the weapons themselves.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:33:00 - [25] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: I might be a little misinformed. What other weapon in dust gets harder to use at level V??? You have a point, all other weapons should be made this way to: HMG more recoil and faster heat build up should increase with each tier in my opinion. Laser rifle should have more heat build up op per tier. Shotguns should get a bit more spread per tier. Etc.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:34:00 - [26] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: That's exactly the problem. What is? And what would be done to the GEK to fix it? There should be more recoil until you hit the duvolle. The AR skill itself reduces recoil. In current you have for less recoil in this order, exile, gek, duvolle. It should go duvolle, gek, exile. At AR level V think of how much less recoil you have with exile, fit that on proto suit with damage mods, add the AR proficiency skill bonus, you pretty much just put the proto gun to shame right there.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:35:00 - [27] - Quote Also if they were to add in mods like recoil control or heat manage management. it could balance things by what the player chooses to add to there dropsuit.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:36:00 - [28] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: The AR skill itself reduces recoil. We sure about that? It says 'bonus to kick and spread" not "decreases" or "increases", who knows what the hell that could mean. Edit: The exact wording is "Assault rifle dispersion and kick bonus: 5%"
neausea 1987 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:36:00 - [29] - Quote all i know is i use the gek,the assault rifle,or the standard millitia rifle it does not matter because they are all rifles people use the word OP when they should just admit they their accuracy is whats to blame.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:45:00 - [30] - Quote neausea 1987 wrote: all i know is i use the gek,the assault rifle,or the standard millitia rifle it does not matter because they are all rifles people use the word OP when they should just admit they their accuracy is whats to blame. The duvolle takes a lot more skill to use properly though. It just sucks there isn't much of a reason to use it. I honestly don't think ccp calculated how recoil on ARs would be effected once they flattened all damage on weapons. The duvolle just isn't worth the isk or inreased recoil.

Jonny RIC0 ROGUE SPADES 38	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:48:00 - [31] - Quote The Assault Rifle is, and always will be, the bastion of the less imaginative and/or specialised FPS player. That's not an insult, I'm primarily an AR user. It is the simpler and less rewarding path but nonetheless it's accessibility is crucial to the game. When people like me tire of using the AR I'm sure we will eventually take the plunge into something more complex and tactical. In terms of the GEK specifically, I think a minor adjustment to either the price, the recoil, or both will even things up satisfactorily and not be a deal-breaker for the grunts like myself.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:49:00 - [32] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: The AR skill itself reduces recoil. We sure about that? It says 'bonus to kick and spread" not "decreases" or "increases", who knows what the hell that could mean. Edit: The exact wording is "Assault rifle dispersion and kick bonus: 5%" lol true enough, seems redundant though to give it more kick and spread
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:54:00 - [33] - Quote Jonny RIC0 wrote: The Assault Rifle is, and always will be, the bastion of the less imaginative and/or specialised FPS player. That's not an insult, I'm primarily an AR user. It is the simpler and less rewarding path but nonetheless it's accessibility is crucial to the game. When people like me tire of using the AR I'm sure we will eventually take the plunge into something more complex and tactical. In terms of the GEK specifically, I think a minor adjustment to either the price, the recoil, or both will even things up satisfactorily and not be a deal-breaker for the grunts like myself. No, the AR is for people who are good at every situation. Why spec smg if have good long range aim. Why spec lazors if you are a beast in cqc. AR is for the jack of all trades type of players. I would be limiting myself if I played anything else. At least thats how I see it.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:55:00 - [34] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Jonny RIC0 wrote: The Assault Rifle is, and always will be, the bastion of the less imaginative and/or specialised FPS player. That's not an insult, I'm primarily an AR user. It is the simpler and less rewarding path but nonetheless it's accessibility is crucial to the game. When people like me tire of using the AR I'm sure we will eventually take the plunge into something more complex and tactical. In terms of the GEK specifically, I think a minor adjustment to either the price, the recoil, or both will even things up satisfactorily and not be a deal-breaker for the grunts like myself. No, the AR is for people who are good at every situation. Why spec smg if have good long range aim. Why spec lazors if you are a beast in cqc. AR is for the jack of all trades type of players. I would be limiting myself if I played anything else. At least thats how I see it. Why I went into AR after my viziam, cuz with AR you can do it all.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:57:00 - [35] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: No, the AR is for people who are good at every situation. Why spec smg if have good long range aim. Why spec lazors if you are a beast in cqc. AR is for the jack of all trades type of players. I would be limiting myself if I played anything else. At least thats how I see it. The full phrase is "Jack of all trades, master of none", superior skill and it's versatility do make up for it's short comings though, but the superior skill part could also apply to almost any other weapon. Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: lol true enough, seems redundant though to give it more kick and spread Beats me lol, maybe it's their way of balancing out the Duvolle and higher tier ARs?
Jonny RIC0 ROGUE SPADES 38	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:59:00 - [36] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Jonny RIC0 wrote: The Assault Rifle is, and always will be, the bastion of the less imaginative and/or specialised FPS player. That's not an insult, I'm primarily an AR user. It is the simpler and less rewarding path but nonetheless it's accessibility is crucial to the game. When people like me tire of using the AR I'm sure we will eventually take the plunge into something more complex and tactical. In terms of the GEK specifically, I think a minor adjustment to either the price, the recoil, or both will even things up satisfactorily and not be a deal-breaker for the grunts like myself. No, the AR is for people who are good at every situation. Why spec smg if have good long range aim. Why spec lazors if you are a beast in cqc. AR is for the jack of all trades type of players. I would be limiting myself if I played anything else. At least thats how I see it. You wouldn't be limiting yourself... you would be challenging yourself. I suppose the question is: why do you play computer games?
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.02.23 01:07:00 - [37] - Quote I don't play computer games. I play video games to dominate. If I wanted a challenge I would pick up a rubix cube. Besides people don't spec into lazors because they want a challenge. They spec into it because they have good long range aim and they want to dominate with what suits their strengths best.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.23 02:01:00 - [38] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: I don't play computer games. I play video games to dominate. If I wanted a challenge I would pick up a rubix cube. Besides people don't spec into lazors because they want a challenge. They spec into it because they have good long range aim and they want to dominate with what suits their strengths best. Maybe this is the case in the circles you run in, but it's not like that for everyone. A lot of people I know who spec into non-AR weapons do it because it creates a new challenge. It's something new to master, and creates more variation in gameplay. Personally, I find ARs boring. That's not to say that I find AR users boring, it's just not for me. I suppose I've just spent too many years playing videogames, but the specialized weapons give me something more nuanced to play around with and tend to require better problem solving to use effectively. Furthermore, in a squad based shooter, I think there's added value to being one specialized component in a larger squad of specialized users (including squad mates who are "jack of all trades" AR users).
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.23 04:30:00 - [39] - Quote I think AR is perfect the way it is and everyone that I know seems to think the same, many say "what else are they going to nerf about ARs?". They've been nerfed enough IMO, and they're at a good balanced state. Other guns beat AR at their respective ranges just fine, but in the hands of a good player who has good aim and battlefield awareness it's a beast because of it's versatility when it comes to ranges that it can perform in. For that reason I think AR is one of, if not the best weapon for getting high kill counts in pubs. As for why it's a popular weapon... Think about it, it's an AR... that's most likely going to be the default weapon many players go to, expect more variety in the near future. The fact that it's versatile makes it a great choice of weapon to spec into, at least far enough for the GEK (which isn't much SP). That means people can run around and still perform well, they don't have to stick with others because of their weapons inability to perform at ranges. Especially good choice for people who don't run with squads on a regular basis, just another reason I would expect it to be a popular weapon choice. No surprise to me. I believe that if two corps of equal skill level go against each other, the one using more of a variety of weapons will come out on top. The team full of ARs will lose, and the one with MDs, Lasers, ARs, forges, and HMGs will win. Balancing shouldn't be done based off of pub results because it's easy to make an OK weapon look amazing when you're against a bunch of average (at best) players. I'll go 72-4 vs randoms w/ the AR, but put me up against a competent team that uses a variety of weapons and sticks to each of their advantages... Psssht, that's when I start realizing that I need to specialize as well sooner or later. AR # 1 for pubstomping though.
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2013.02.23 05:15:00 - [40] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: No, the AR is for people who are good at every situation. Why spec smg if have good long range aim. Why spec lazors if you are a beast in cqc. AR is for the jack of all trades type of players. I would be limiting myself if I played anything else. At least thats how I see it. So pretty much, you are saying "why bother to even attempt to use a different weapon if I can always win with my AR"? Dunno about you but for me that comes off as a mayor balance issue, if the AR its gonna outmatch every single weapon out there why even bother? This is an issue that REALLY ticks me off: the glorification of the AR, because **** everything else in a FPS, RIFLES COME FIRST,. Not gonna say thay are Op'd but when everything else it seems either underwhelming or nerfed to hell and back its hard no to think like this. besides lets face it, since EVERYBODY and the grandmas are using an AR loadout, do you think people would openly admit they have an adventage? Come on. Maybe ARs are balanced but if that is the case everything else seem unbalanced, underwhelming or broken.



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